• orcrist@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    If the garbage takes itself out, I won’t complain. YT doesn’t see how the cable companies dying is the exact same future it is racing to emulate.

  • palordrolap@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    Yeah, they’re trying new things again. Gotta squeeze that stone for all the blood that’s in it.

    One of my accounts has been getting a long delay before the video starts. Pre-roll ads are trying to load and play but the add-ons I have installed are still stopping them from completely succeeding. For now.

    I also have auto-play turned off, and I wonder if that has anything to do with it.

    Pretty sure the systems at their side think that I’m seeing the ads because I’ve had pop-ups during the delay offering free Premium.

  • Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org
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    3 months ago

    Good joke, YouTube.

    Ah yes, but what about the violation to our time where we’ve had to sit through 30 second ~ 2 minute ads of over-dramatized ways for shitty companies to get us to buy shit we don’t want and subscribe to services we don’t need? What about those violations and those violations happen more frequently than us blocking your ads? The hell with you.

    • CrowAirbrush@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I’m just so tired of ads nowadays, ads for cars i can’t afford, ads for crap i’m never going to buy, ads for the supermarket i’m going to no matter if they have some discount…it’s all useless and a waste of my time and invasion on my peace.

      I bought the devices, i pay for the internet connection and i pay the rent on this house, i decide what makes it inside my house.

      I don’t need this funny clip my supermarket made to market overpriced holiday food 46 times a day that lasts 60 seconds and is only funny the first time i see it. I’m not going to buy a tiny christmas cake that barely feeds a child for €15, realistically it’s value to me is €1,50 compared to my wage and amount of food i get in return. I’m buying store brand m&m’s and a loaf of bread like i do all year.

      If you can’t keep existing without shoveling truckloads of ads into my face, then go bankrupt…i don’t give a damn. You’re not worth €16 a month to me either or whatever the price is nowadays. Just fuck off i’ll get my entertainment elsewhere, heck i might dust off that ps4 and buy used dvd’s for 25 cents a piece.

      • Avatar_of_Self@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yeah and a couple of things:

        Malware has directly passed through as networks multiple times and neither the server of ads nor the ad network were able to be held responsible for it.

        Right now it is common for ads to show apps that look like something popular but deploy malware. Nobody is taking responsibility for any of it. Ad networks aren’t well policed.

        It is irresponsible for a user not to block ads IMO but I also get to decide what packets of data traverse my network just like any other person or company. As a consumer I do not have to be responsible or care if a business model succeeds or not.

    • Tja@programming.devEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Well, then don’t go on YouTube, or use peer tube. You are trading 30 seconds of your time for:

      • creators making the thing you so desperately want to watch
      • disk space to store it
      • bandwidth to send it around the world
      • compute to transcode it and process it
      • real estate and security for the premises
      • power for the datacenter
      • ac to cool the servers
      • wages of workers to maintain that whole infrastructure
      • wages of devs for the app
      • yes, profits for the company

      Of course, you can decide to not pay and steal it instead, just don’t act like you are morally entitled to do it.

        • Engywook@lemm.eeEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Who cares. These of people are YouTube addicts. Just stop using it, if you find it so unbearable.

          • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Oh I totally agree with you, I was just making fun of the downvotes coming from hypocrites who don’t want to abandon their favorite megacorp but instead cry a river about ads.

            Now I hate ads like the next guy, but either I find a way to block them, or I move on.

            • Engywook@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Same here. These people are literally unable to vote with their wallet, not even metaphorically.

            • Engywook@lemm.eeEnglish
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              3 months ago

              Well, sometimes you have to make choices: videos+ ads or nothing. Vote with your wallet, if you are to do so.

                • Engywook@lemm.eeEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  That’s fine, if they’re able to do so. That’s why I wrote “sometimes”. I frankly fail to understand people’s addiction to YT. What’s more, Id really like all those crap YT, Twitch and the likes to disappear for good and go back to “written” internet. In this shitty era, a lot of useful info is actually buried in a crap load of self promotion and blabbering on those platforms (which I refuse to use).

  • shoulderoforion@fedia.ioOP
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    3 months ago

    i use ublock origin

    reddit still good for something: Filter Lists–>uBlock filters–>uncheck the “ublock filters - quickfixes” box and then reload the page.

    this worked for me

    • BaroqueInMind@lemmy.oneEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Fuck reddit, this solution did not work for me. All YouTube videos stop buffering after 59 seconds. Only fixes i have found is with either making a custom userscript or disabling ublock from working on YouTube by whitelisting the entire domain.

    • apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I didn’t screencap it but today on YT I was given a modal that said I was using an adblocker (ublock) and I have three more videos before they require premium. I changed VPN locations and stopped getting the message.

      • mesa@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        They do random testing. I’ve received one of these a couple of times with unlock as well. Google/yt has not fully committed.

          • mesa@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Yeah you and a lot of people. There’s a couple articles about it but essentially there’s some talk of pushback.

            And personally for me there are alternatives that people could use. While not a lot of people are on it, peertube is a viable alternative. I’ve watched a couple of small creators on it and it ha good performance. Just a very small audience.

            Makertube is one of my favorites.

          • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Sometimes I have to use YouTube rawdog for work and it’s unusable, if I want to skip forward in the video to reach the solution to my problem I get an add every time I click the timeline.

              • blind3rdeye@lemm.eeEnglish
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                3 months ago

                I don’t speak for the person you are asking, but for me the reason is that google is evil, and huge. They don’t need my money, and I wouldn’t pay them for any reason.

                I expect that if the workplace officially needed to use YouTube, then that workplace would be paying for that subscription. But if its just that sometimes someone wants to include video from YouTube in a presentation or something - then probably not.

                • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                  3 months ago

                  The way they worded it, it sounded like dealing with YouTube was their job, like maybe managing a company’s YT account. So yeah, I totally expect a company to pay for YT premium. I’m certainly not suggesting they do it, unless they’re a freelancer or something.

    • bcgm3@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Only one of my three computers was having this problem, but this solution worked for me as well. Thanks for sharing it here!

    • Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org
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      3 months ago

      Awesome.

      The day FireFox and UBlock Origin stop working with eachother completely. Might be the day I just uninstall all of my browsers and use my PC more personally than before.

  • LostXOR@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    The whole idea that it violates the terms of service of a company to not let them show things on my screen without my consent is insane. It’s like if every time you went to the grocery store, the employees held you down and force fed you a free sample, then banned you from the store when you started running away from them.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      The whole idea that it violates the terms of service of a company to not let them show things on my screen without my consent is insane.

      Something something contract of adhesion something something. It is functionally a term of service to watch the whole body of content as a condition of watching any of it.

      It’s like if every time you went to the grocery store, the employees held you down and force fed you a free sample, then banned you from the store when you started running away from them.

      This effectively used to be how people would sell Time Share rentals. You would “win” a “free vacation” to a destination that hosted the time share. Then, in order to check in you needed to sit through a sales pitch that only ended when you agreed to purchase the unit you’d allegedly been awarded as a prize.

      If you tried to leave the sales pitch prematurely, you were ejected from the venue.

      • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yeah, and there’s a reason contracts of adhesion are [supposed to be] illegal.

    • Abnorc@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      It’s not that bizarre. They don’t have to serve you the content without showing you the ads that make the platform profitable. The freedom goes both ways. I use an ad blocker too, but I don’t think that YouTube is really doing anything wrong here. (Other than possibly ruining their own platform, but that’s their problem that they’re making for themselves.)

      • CosmoNova@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I hate the way they‘re doing it and how they push their silly premium subscription in my face whenever I open the app to look something up quick. Adblock all the way. But you‘re right. They have to make money somehow. They‘re a corporation after all. It‘s naive to think they will ever give up.

      • someacnt@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        3 months ago

        When suggested adblock, my mother also do not convinced it’s right to use them. Basically, my mother is grateful for the service provided, and will “pay” by watching ads. I guess this one is not so clear-cut.

      • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        3 months ago

        If they weren’t a monopoly, I’d agree, they can do whatever they want.

        But since they are a monopoly, its a de facto the equivalent of a town square, and they are policing people’s speech, and broadcasting annoying public announcements that nobody wants to hear.

        • Robin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          3 months ago

          A privately owned platform cannot serve the public good. There will always be conflicts of interest. A proper public square should be funded by a competent government (but those are rare) or decentralized.

    • Maeve@kbin.earth
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      3 months ago

      It’s worse than that. They use so much bw that most users have limited higher -speed to access, but they’re not giving anyone vouchers to pay for extra bandwidth.

    • Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org
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      3 months ago

      Exactly, it’s absolutely absurd.

      Think we ought to just start harassing marketers and anyone involved with advertising.

  • bizarroland@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    There’s a very simple solution to this, and I’m honestly not quite sure why no one is doing it.

    Make ads voluntary. Make them separate from the rest of the experience.

    Make it so that you can watch ads and answer surveys based off of the ads in order to get credits which then allow you to watch videos.

    Alternatively, make it so that you can purchase the credits out right.

    Everyone fucking wins.

    I don’t know why people are so stupid as to not even contemplate the easiest and most satisfying solution to all of the problems.

    • Abnorc@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Your last suggestion is basically what YouTube premium offers. I don’t think I would personally watch ads voluntarily, but I’ve seen similar systems in some games. Smite (at least used to) let you watch ads to get gems that you can use to buy cosmetics.

    • pachrist@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      But the venn diagram of the group of people who take voluntary surveys and the group you want to advertise to have no overlap.

      The problem with ads is that we’re barely removed from the era of all ads being malicious trojans if you clicked one. All ads are still malicious, just less insidious. They’ll silo you off into an echo chamber rather than brick your computer. Some will still brick your computer though.

      I block ads because I don’t want to see ads, but I don’t want to see ads because I don’t trust any of them. Until they fix that, they’ll stay blocked. I don’t care if you’re Google or some boutique website, I’ll block them all.

  • NutWrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    If a million porn sites can make streaming video work, then YouTube is replaceable.

    • TheGalacticVoid@lemm.eeEnglish
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      3 months ago

      YouTube is not replaceable because it’s the only reliable way for VOD creators to monetize their content effectively without a paywall. No other VOD platform comes close.

      If creators can’t monetize their content effectively, they’re not going to upload to that platform.

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I kinda miss when places would host their own videos instead of relying on youtube, but that’s the problem of a centralized internet, the majority of people won’t want to leave yt/ig/fb/tiktok/twitter/reddit in order to watch or read whatever you posted.

    • Nyxicas@kbin.melroy.org
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      3 months ago

      People don’t want to deal with the heavy costs and load of hosting their own content. That’s unfortunately the sacrifice. Google is big enough to house it all, whereas, we’d probably see content from a creator last for a finite amount of time before they end up having to close up shop or beg for donations.

      • Tja@programming.devEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Beg for donations? How is being paid for your work “begging”?

        As you said, hosting video is not only complicated but just fucking expensive, that’s why people don’t do it themselves. Google pays for it via ads/premium, not by magic pixie dust.

      • dx1@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        So in other words this is a tech issue.

        As someone who’s written in-browser player and transcoding/server code…the lemmy/mastodon etc. version of this can work, especially if flexible bitrate handling is baked into it (i.e., bitrate offer/acceptance matching over a protocol). You can get this down to YouTube interface + install some software + open a port on your firewall.

        • Tja@programming.devEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Tech issue, infrastructure issue, content issue, financial issue…

          Hosting text like lemmy is several orders of magnitude cheaper than video.

    • Korkki@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Centralisation and large scale has it’s benefits. There were also many problems with everybody hosting their stuff by themselves. Enshittification is results of private companies having to go profit first (and google being google of course), not so much because they are the only game in town. Being the monopoly merely enables the shitting on users for profit. I see youtube and many google services more like internet’s utilities that are privately owned and that is causing problems, not that they have gotten so big.