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Switched to windows 10 a month or so ago just for ease of use with video games and mods. Man does windows suck ass. Wants to open random web pages, use dumb AI tools and give me useless info on every empty inch of screen space . At the end of the day it works but quality of life is low.
ExplorerPatcher https://github.com/valinet
Been using it for a few months, quite happy. Does not seem to spike CPU with my settings
My pc “spikes” from 6% to 11% but was only noticeable when I raised the update speed to high
Is that the spiking, and are other people seeing more?
it needs to check your license and onedrive files for DRM compliance. every click
I don’t understand what this means, but try and find a single Windows user who cares (assuming everyone here is on Linux).
It means the start menu is a web browser showing you a webpage, and thus is very slow.
Basically. The start menu on windows 11 is really poorly implemented so that whenever you open it your CPU has to kick into overdrive for a split second.
Fun fact: Even windows users hate shitty performance of really basic software.
I had to test it. That is wild.
here’s a bandaid: https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher
There’s also open shell if you like pre-W10 interfaces https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
This kept breaking with updates I am so glad I wiped it and single booted linux
Oops I pit my mouse in the bottom left now its loading 50 web pages filled with ads under the guise of being a widget
I’m no programmer nor coder or such, I call myself advanced user only.
If having part of an app (I refer app as OS here, and start menu as part of an OS) to spike CPU/memory usage, does that means that part is not being used without being called? and leaves resources fully free? Sure big spike happen when the sub-part is called, but without being called?
IF part of an app is not even loaded while not used, isn’t that actually good? I mean, depends how often that app part is called and have to load from the void.
I imagine that could be better than having unused part loaded all the time, wasting the resources?
Also, I totally skip part of poorly coded compared to old smooth and optimized code.
it should take 0.01% of the cpu, instead it uses a lot more than that. any app, or piece of is, that uses much more than it should is wasteful.
wasting electricity, wasting resources that should be available to other software….
on top of that, react native is very insecure, so throwing wasteful, insecure bloat into one of the simplest parts of an operating system… and for no reason other than laziness….
and then they charge you money for it, and actively fight your ability to use other operating systems for critical things….Yes, all things being equal, your understanding is valid. But let’s do a car comparison.
You have your current car. It burns a little gas running idle, and much more when you’re using the gas pedal to accelerate.
Now you buy a new, Windows 11 car, and it not only burns more gas idling, but when you accelerate it sucks down so much gas you can watch the gas meter go down.
The outrage is that the OS is so badly designed and implemented, something you do a lot causes everything else on your computer to slow down, and costs you extra in your electricity bill, because it is needlessly consuming irrationally huge amounts of CPU power to open a menu.
Well, yes, in some cases, but the start menu is something you interact with very often. The average user (and I mean office worker in their 40s)doesn’t even pin items to the taskbar. As such, the main way to open apps is through the start menu. Think about this way. In this situation on a laptop, you either save ram or battery. Constant cpu spikes aren’t good for energy efficiency. This also means hogging your ssd, which might be an issue in specific situations. On the other side, keeping the start menu fully in ram could be perceived as a waste, it really depends on how often you use the start menu and how much you value energy efficiency.
The crux of the problem is that clicking Start should display a low-resolution background image and 29 low-resolution icons, with some text and links. Bringing it to life should load a couple hundred k of disk into RAM and be imperceptible to the naked eye on the task manager.
My 12th-gen, 14-core processor that boosts to 3.5GHz should be able to do all that many hundreds of times a second without any serious stress.
Yet, I can click the start icon repeatedly by hand and hold my computer in excess of 40%
It’s not a direct issue, and any modern computer will have no problem handling the load, but it calls out Win11 for attention to detail problems.
It’s also pretty common to type Win + NameOfProgram + Enter, which necessarily opens the start menu and spikes the darn CPU. This has been a very common way to interact with the OS since Vista, and, as with so many other things in Microsoft land, has gotten worse.
WindowsKey -> “fire” -> Enter ==> Firefox is now open!
In case of the start menu, the sensible thing would be to optimize it sufficiently so that it doesn’t hurt being kept ready constantly.
Much thx for explanation,
Looks like my understanding is valid - it is situational.
With a pointing to, I’ve noted most office workers do have apps pinned, by themselves or IT guy. Often even too many, like 3-4 web browsers lol. Also they rarely work on laptops, but office PCs. At least my country (Europe).
Also, could guess MS or most big tech companies may want users to make common parts used faster, to make them buy new faster :giggle:.
I’ve been trying to help my parents use Windows since the '90s. They still to this day have no idea what the Start menu is.
Quality teacher!
but, how do they turn PCs off? win-d alt-f4? think win-d was not a thing in early windows… please don’t say by power button.
Power button is a perfectly valid way to turn off a modern PC. They don’t kill power the way they used to, they send a signal to the PC to shut itself down. Exactly the same as using the start menu.
Don’t they have like 9 graphics libraries andbframeworks accross 4 languages already?
It’s actually at least 13.
I remember people arguing that Linux having two main toolkits were holding it back back in 2000-2010 but then Microsoft invents a few billion UIs just for itself. Even the one big megacorp can’t be bothered to keep things consistent.
They need to scrap all this shit and take a massive step back and start over. Absolute bollocks.
Ironically, this is the result of various people at Microsoft at various times declaring “we need to scrap all this shit and start over”
There’s some logic behind each, but each time assumes they don’t have to do anything to port forward the previous approach to new UX standards as those will just die out. If it was roughly 13 screenshots of different developer experience, but consistent looking and behaving UI for the actual user, everyone could just shrug, maybe developers getting a bit grumpy about Microsoft’s inconsistency.
reminds me of this story: “Temporary” disk formatting UI from 1994 still lives on in Windows 11 - Ars Technica
And that’s one of their best UI. You understand everything with a single glance, no need to press shift to get more things, there are no more things, that’s all there is.
It’s an interesting piece of tech ephemera, but devils advocate here, I’m not sure that I agree with the implication that this is a bad thing. The UI works. It gives you all the options you need with no major downsides or pain points. In this case, I think there’s something to be said for: “If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.”
Agreed, I just find these instances of unintended longevity really fascinating :) The other day I was reading an article about how some infrastructure in Western countries still runs from floppy discs:
And in San Francisco, the Muni Metro light railway, which launched in 1980, won’t start up each morning unless the staff in charge pick up a floppy disk and slip it into the computer that controls the railway’s Automatic Train Control System, or ATCS. “The computer has to be told what it’s supposed to do every day,” explains a spokesman for the San Francisco Municipal Transport Agency (SFMTA). “Without a hard drive, there is nowhere to install software on a permanent basis.”
This computer has to be restarted in such a way repeatedly, he adds – it can’t simply be left on, for fear of its memory degrading.
In some sectors, the legacy use of floppy disks is being phased out. In 2022, a Japanese politician “declared war” on the ongoing use of older media. Subsequently, earlier this year, Japan’s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry announced that the government would no longer require businesses to submit official forms and applications on floppy disk. The Japanese government finally declared “victory” by scrapping the rules in July 2024.
Imagine having to submit official forms on floppy disks even last year 😂
Btw, the formatter dialog in Windows 11 setup (yeah, i had to) looks NT too.
Jesus
Nothing is as permanent as a temporary fix!
What MS needs is a new unifying framework and then they can change everything to that new standard. Call it Framework 927.
What MS needs is a hole in the head
Is it really? Does microsoft have no faith in its own user32 UI API?
Yeah, windows apps, even official ones are just a mix of react native apps.
I used to be with it! (XAML) Then they changed what it is! (WinUI)
WinUI is yet another thing, it’s not React native. It’s kind of a new version of WPF with additional things and you can still use XAML
I have heard that Classic Shell is once again functional under Windows 11, but it was critically broken and thoroughly unusable for too long for me, and I have since moved on to StartIsBack, which can do almost everything I found essential with Classic Shell.
long time startisback user, even paid for it.
Remember when discord changed its android app to use react native?
They fixed most of it by now but god it was terrible back then
there is massive financial incentives for these companies to write shit code because it makes people have to get newer computers
Clean code is more expensive than shit. That adds to the problem.
It’s why I’m gonna change to Linux permanently come the end of Win10.
Why wait? Switch now and get used to it.
I switched last August.
Say what you will but I’m kind of addicted to the PC Gamepass. I have to get through a backlog before I give it up.
The only realistic answer to the win11 situation. I chose bazzite because I like to game. It’s a dream, I never looked back.
I’m already rocking Manjaro, put my old windows boot drive in a box in case I need it for whatever reason.
Mint + a game-box user myself :-)
Sometimes there is an old soft inly working on windows, but they are getting more and more rare as they no monger work on windows… Fantastic.
I’ve been seriously considering switching to Mint or Ubuntu since they’re user friendly. The more I hear about win 11 the less and less I want anything to do with it. also, my pc isn’t compatible so there’s that 😂
The easiest distro I have used so far it’s Endeavour-Os (for my desktop). All my homelab uses debian except the mandatory W11 VM and a WS for veeam.
I gave up on windows 11 last week after my downloads folder decided to stop opening any more. Every other folder worked fine, and I could use a save dialogue to see and navigate inside downloads, but if I opened the folder run file explorer I was met woth a never ending “working on it…” Screen. Hours of trawling useless Microsoft posts to see its a common issue but none of the suggested fixes worked.
I installed Pop! OS, which is essentially Ubuntu but Ive heard works very well with games. Few small hiccoughs getting used to the UI paradigm shift but its motoring along now with no problems. My 5 year old desktop is running much smoother with less overall resource use too. Feels snappier.
The smoother part sounds very appealing. I will look into this distro. Thanks.
Download the Mint live CD and give it a shot!
That is a great idea. And since my desktop is old as a dinosaur it still has a cd burner. So I’ll take it as a win LOL
Just do it, it’s a perfectly functional os. Almost all of them.
That’s the reason I swapped.
So far it’s been a good switch
Do it now. It’s great!
Same same, I just hope I can replace my dying PC before switching
I just did that, using Fedora KDE now, works great
