I feel like youtube is losing sight of why users are paying for the service then.
To me, personally, youtube is useful enough that I will keep paying to remove ads entirely (in combination with ublock). That being said, there will come a time when the value proposition is no longer balanced. Then I will stop paying, and probably stop using it as well.
But as always with Google, I question whether their motive is to kill another service. They’re very competent at that specific thing.
They just want users who are paying full freight as they know the ad business is in step decline.
Is it in decline? I mean, I want to believe it, but I haven’t seen any hard data on that.
It very much is and is talked about basically nonstop everytime the topic comes up from any content creator that’s been in the game for longer then a decade.
The ad based system the internet is built on is unraveling.
The internet isn’t built on it. The commercial websites who do not have other products (as in all the websites related to RL goods, stores,…) are.
Exactly. If every ad-dependent website went offline tomorrow and all we were left with was Wikipedia, PeerTube, government/academia sites and a bunch of Geocities-esque “labor of love” hobbyist pages, nothing of value would be lost.
True, but my point was that even a lot of the commercial websites that do have other products do not depend on ads, e.g. Amazon and all the other stores would still be there, every company offering a paid service would still be there, every company providing a service related to their RL goods (e.g. specs, drivers, product descriptions, lists of stores where you can buy them,…) would still be there.
Advertising does not finance a very large percentage of the useful parts of the internet. And among those advertising financed websites that are useful a lot are essentially duplicates to get a chunk of the ad revenue without doing a lot of work (e.g. almost all news websites that just republish AP, Reuters,… content).
YT is only usable with ad blockers nowadays. And then it does not make a difference if you have a subscription or not.
I would subscribe YT if they had a reasonably priced ad free tier, but if it does not make a difference, I’ll watch it for free.
That way of thinking is a trap. They did have a more reasonably priced ad free tier but people using it only made it worse over time because it got so popular that Youtube could confidently raise prices and slash benefits. And the line has to go up. That‘s the only thing that matters to them.
This is literately the equivalent of cable.
No, it’s worse. With a cable DVR you can skip all commercials.
DVR is the equivalent of having a yt-dlp frontend that includes SponsorBlock.
Can you, though? Because I remember when DVB started in Europe, they’ve sent a signal during commercials that makes your device block the fast forward feature.
I don’t know whether that’s still a thing. But you needed a hacked firmware on your TV / set top box to allow to FFWD through commercials back then.
I’ve never heard of that being the case in America, but I can’t speak to how it works in Europe. That would be lame if it worked that way.
Christ, premium light is still fucking 8 dollars a month and you don’t even get rid of ads. The greed is fucking astounding.
I’ll stick to an adblocker, dickheads.
Firefox+uBlock Origin on the computer.
ReVanced on my Android phone.
SmartTubeNext on my Android TV.
I haven’t seen a YouTube ad in years.
As of yesterday YouTube is blocking videos for me. Until that’s solved, I’m just not watching YouTube. Not a big loss.
This happens from time to time. Open a private window and sign in, or wait a couple of hours for the prompt to reset. Ublock will update in a week or so to get rid of the prompts until the next time YouTube updates the detection software.
In case anyone is reading this and using an iPhone, Orion is the only iOS browser afaik to currently support uBlock Origin. I haven’t had a single ad since discovering that. Picture in Picture mode works too, as long as you go full screen with the video before swiping home. Hope this helps someone.
This is the way!!
I even subscribed to youtube premium when it came bundled with music streaming as well. back then it was a good deal. They kept raising prices and making the end product worse. Now it just seems obnoxious.
I truly, truly don’t get it.
Ublock Origin + Firefox still works.
Works just fine.
Been that way for over a decade.
Yes, if you’re more privacy concerned (and there are good reasons to be) you can use some other browser, something like NewPipe, or Invidious…
But I just don’t get why any normie, ever, goes for YT Premium…
Ublock Origin + Firefox
YouTube started detecting and complaining about that yesterday (for me).
It complained about it for me as well.
And then kept working.
I am currently crippled and basically just do PT, shitpost on lemmy, and watch youtube… all day long.
If it was gonna block me after 3 videos, it missed it by about 100.
Newpipe is all I have. I signed up for a couple creators patreon to support those I really like. Fuck Google. They are here for the investors bottom line not our shit. But people just want their shit and it perpetuates this behavior. My friend said he pays to support the creators he likes. He supports the giant corporation holding these creators ransom. Just send them money directly. Use new pipe or whatever. Quit supporting this shit and let the whole thing die until we realize there has to be a better way.
Why think of the consumer when you have practical monopoly on online video content distribution. If the creators are on youtube so will their audience and vice versa. Where will any of them go if you squeeze?
No; I don’t think there will be.
I confirm that I will see zero ads.
Premium Lite? What paid benefits are there to YouTube other than removing ads?
YouTube music. But since Lite has ads then idk what it’s different. I’m assuming Lite also doesn’t have music.
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I remember when YouTube Music first came out it was pretty much just the audio from the videos in the most atrocious quality. Has it changed since then?
Youtube Music is pretty much just youtube with a different UI - the videos are the same. The audio quality is whatever’s uploaded, so it’ll vary a lot song to song.
There is another benefit - it can be played in the background if I remember properly.
Youtube Music is pretty much just youtube with a different UI
Lmao, what? YouTube Music is essentially Spotify with the ability to add YouTube videos to your playlists. It has an enormous music library comparable to other streaming services, it’s not “youtube with a different ui”.
…that enormous library is called “YouTube videos”.
False.
Oh good, I’m not missing out then. I moved around quite a bit between Deezer, Tidal, random piracy in FLAC until finally landing on Apple Music.
You can mix TIDAL and piracy; I use
tidal-dlquite a lot. The problem with streaming services is that they can close shop in five minutes, and all of “your” music won’t be yours anymore.(I think Apple Music has similar tools.)
What I didn’t like about Tidal was their weird format being advertised as lossless when it wasn’t. It didn’t really sound all that great.
There was an application called requiem (if I remember correctly) that could rip music from older Windows XP versions of iTunes; it was only available over Tor quite some time ago. I’m not sure what people would use these days (maybe just a hacked DAC?).
I’ve resorted back to piracy, but mostly cuz my taste in music confuses the hell out of the algorithms: I’m a fan of symphonic metal, and seeding one of those songs as the start of a playlist on something like YT music will land you with a combination of heavy death metal and renaissance fair music.
If I ever find one that can actually distinguish sub-genres of metal, then sign me the fuck up!!
When I started listening to more obscure avantgarde records, I stopped believing in genres. I mean, take Mr Bungle for example. Twelve genres in four minutes. How would you even label that?
YouTube music is better than music on youtube, particularly for people with slow or capped internet.
Moderately, it’s still not as good as Play Music it replaced, and frankly the only reason I use it is because it comes with Premium (and Lite gets ads so fuck that deal), otherwise I’d subscribe to something else for music (aside from growing my album collection on Bandcamp).
I heard good things about play music but I was super pov when that existed and didn’t pay for any online stuff, it was piracy or nothing.
Thats the exact same reason I have YouTube music.
That was the reason to use Play Music when it was a thing. Upload all your torrented music and stream it for free.
And it’s better for people who want to listen to more than just a few songs, for people who need an organized collections, playlists, etc. In other words, for those who need a music streaming service. YouTube isn’t one.
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In the time it takes for a video to even show up, I can have a song playing with a playlist behind it. One video is the same amount of data as many songs.
My phone is my home internet and is often under 100KB/s, even at 240p YouTube takes way longer than YouTube music.
You’re not necessarily streaming video on YT music, just audio.
WTF is Premium Lite?
Premium but without the music. And with ads apparently.
Before this change it was with ads for music content.
It’s Premium, but not really.
Premium Sike.
I guess it’s their “pay for ads” tier which sounds fucking stupid to me.
I’ve had no issues with adblocker for over half a year. Works flawlessly on both browser and mobile browser.
Or, and hear me out: just install a browser plugin and forget ads exist.
I hesitate to name extensions names, but I’ve literally never seen an ad on YouTube.
These companies don’t respect us, so I don’t feel the need to respect them by allowing them to force their meaningless bullshit down my throat.
I don’t use it that much, but you better believe if I go to YouTube to watch a video, that video is the only thing I’m watching.
This ain’t reddit. You can freely name extension names here.
uBlock Origin
Oh I know, I’ve been here for years despite the age of my account. I just migrated from lemm.ee
I tend not to like to name these types of extensions because more exposure puts them at risk, and they’re super easy to find anyway.
It’s better to name known safe options rather than leave it up to user search. The entities that work against extensions like uBO are already well aware of their existence, so hiding their names has no benefit.
Case in point - uBlock and uBlock Origin are not the same, with the former being a bastardised version that does ‘acceptable ads’. There are plenty of other poor blocking options out there for the unsuspecting to stumble into besides that.
Personal setup is Librewolf/uBO on the client and pfBlockerNG/Snort for network level blocking/additional security layer.
And welcome to .zip :) Hope you enjoy the new home!
uBlock is already pretty much known as the best adblocker in the internet. Not sure what more exposure it could get.
exposure puts them at risk
they’re super easy to find
that one meme with the dude surrounded by question marks
E: or that one of Trump and another dude in chairs talking about a piece of paper
They’re trying to block adblockers again, it seems. I got the “adblockers are not allowed” popup again recently.
Oh no… Anyways,
* Adds a filter for the pop-up*
Firefox + ublock origin + sponsorblock and I haven’t seen an ad on youtube in all the years since I started that combo.
Don’t forget about ReVanced and SmartTubeNext (for smart TVs)
Yesterday evening I got a pop-up that I should disable ublock from youtube. Refreshing page got rid of that but apparently it’s time for me to run some updates on this thing. I’ve seen that few times, google changes something and as I’m a bit lazy to run updates my system sometimes gives the pop up.
There are people out there Who don’t watch YouTube on their PC. Can’t install a browser plugin on my TV.
Well, you shouldn’t watch smart tv anyway. Shut off that slop and use your tv as a dumb tv through a computer. The other way is just asking to be exploited.
That way I won’t get DolbyVision metadata though and getting surround sound workin is a chore, also. Not to speak about comfortable control from my couch without a keyboard/mouse.
Instead, I use an appleTV. It’s ad free, supports all streaming services I need (including my jellyfin) and almost all common video, audio and HDR formats. Even supports VPNs for getting around geofencing.
Besides the initial purchase price (which is steep but there aren’t many comparable devices), not having adblock working in YouTube is really the only actual downside. And for that a few friends and I share a YT family subscription. Has the benefit of my views actually paying the creators for the content they provide me and us not having to pay the ridiculous amounts of solo subscriptions.
Would never use the integrated SmartTV feature of the vast majority of TV manufacturers (LG used to be so good before they put ads everywhere). My TV hasn’t seen an Internet connection even once.
Problem solved! I don’t need to think about this premium stuff any more. Recently, I’ve been playing with the idea of paying for premium, but that’s no longer the case. Specifically, the family pack is the one that kinda made some limited sense in the past. I can see the kind of game Google is playing, and I’m not planning to participate.
Isn’t this because the music industry insisted on taking a cut of all YouTube shorts revenue? Like even if their songs aren’t getting played, they still rake in money from views.
Y’all pay for YouTube?
I would of there was a family tier that plays YouTube without ads in my country. The content I watch is good and authors deserve payment IMO. Sadly there is currently no competition, there are some marginal subscription services and there is peertube which doesn’t have monetization.
The ad revenue YouTube gets should be paying the content creators, no?
Yes, sure, I just don’t want to watch ads. There is really too much of them
I agree. I guess I don’t watch YouTube enough for it to be a big burden. Just mute it for a few seconds.
Genuinely though, the point of YouTube premium is to get rid of the ads…
We seem to be making cable TV again where you pay a premium for the privilege of being advertised to
YT Premium has no ads. YT Lite does, just fewer of them (supposedly).
YouTube Premium Lite is Premium, it’s in the name. I presume the OP is saying the only reason people buy Premium is to be rid of ads, therefore Lite is pointless.
