Reddit caved to facism. Another coward CEO takes it up the ass from a south African immigrant.
He wanted to do it to please the Magats but not take any responsibility or have it used against him later.
What’s wrong? Just own it already.
Because a nazi Sieg Heil is seen as a bad thing by 90% of the world and if he came out and admitted it was one he would probably lose a few supporters from being on his side (probably not a big amount but some)
Idk dude the world has a lot of assholes maybe more like 80% eh?
Oh god it’s like a fucking mirror. Vile.
Remember when he was investigated by the SEC for Tweeting out that he was buying back Tesla stock for $420 apiece?
And when he got booted out of the company he started because he insisted on naming it “X” despite everyone telling him that made it sound like a porn site?
And when he accused those divers of being pedophiles because they rescued stranded children before he could find a way to make it about himself?
And when just about every time he announces he’s saved government money, the number “saved” is immediately backtracked?
And how the whole reason he owns Twitter is he made on offer that he immediately tried to back out of and would have if not for the threat of a multimillion dollar suit for breach of contract?
Elon Musk does not think shit through. However smart or stupid he is, however deeply he does or doesn’t believe the Trump Administration’s fascist bullshit, he does not dedicate much time to thinking about it before he does stuff. I do not doubt for a moment that he performed and meant to perform a Nazi salute. As to what he was thinking, I cannot say. Maybe he cannot. He definitely has sympathies for anti-semitic and racist movements, but I don’t think he thought he was going to be hailed as the savior of the Aryan race for doing it. Maybe he thought it would be funny. Maybe he thought it would be “ironic.” Maybe he thought it would get “teh libz” in a tizzy. He probably didn’t think he would have to avoid ever going to Germany again under threat of being arrested. Whatever he was thinking, he probably wasn’t thinking it more than five seconds before he did it. And he’s clearly not thinking it now. Because despite being the richest man on the planet, Elon Musk is a bumblefuck who doesn’t think things through and has thus far been able to buy or otherwise ride his way out of any consequences of the things he has done without thinking about them.
Did Germany make him persona non grata or something? Or is there a standing arrest on sight order for Nazis in general
The latter.
They take neo-fascism seriously.
Yeah, I think you’re exactly right. Now he’s seeing consequences - particularly the affect on the Tesla brand - and realised he’s shat the bed. So he’s thinking ‘If I can make those photos go away, people will forget it happened.’
Yeah, lotsa luck with that.
Well said
Time to introduce him to the Streisand effect
Actions do have consequences. Trying to erase posts and people calling you out for what you did and explaining why those actions are bad does not make those things that you did go away and is honestly a bad look. If you don’t want people on social media calling you a Nazi, there’s a really easy solution for that - don’t do Nazi salutes on live TV, don’t make Nazi puns instead of apologizing, and don’t keep regurgitating anti-semetic conspiracy theories like the “great replacement” conspiracy theory.
These guys love to play the big badass no feeling guy then 3 min later start to play victim and beg for attention. Thanks for callling them out
He wants to show power. Like he can do as he pleases and have anything he does not approve of removed.
Power has to be the only driver for someone who already has hundreds of billions of dollars. If I had just one billion you’d never hear from me again, ever. Literally on an island or traveling the world. Bye, Felecia!
People really, really don’t understand just how much 1 billion dollars is. Like we are hearing about Elon Musk’s net worth crashing as if he will somehow be homeless or lose everything. He won’t.
If you had a billion dollars, and you gave away 95% of it, you will still have 50 million dollars to your name, which is still more than you can possibly spend (unless you live like some ultra millionaire lifestyle and throw parties that cost a million bucks each and have a giant mansion with insane upkeep).
Well this was the tiny little push I needed to make an account lol
Ahoy
Welcome. If you have any questions, most of us are more than willing to help :)
I joined for the same reasons. The oligarchs can’t easily censor here as they have on reddit.
Make yourself at home
Welcome!
Not going anywhere. I will buy a domain to just post these pictures. Once in Internet, it will outlive u
This is FAKE NEWS! It WASNT a Nazi Salute so Musk DOESNT want it Banned!
He wants to be talked about online and in the media. Same reason he did it in the first place.
He doesn’t want it removed. He wants to target those using it against him. Nazis using it to praise him are not in the crossfires now.
Imagine the leverage you’d need to have to make “the richest person in the world” do a Hitler salute on live TV. Sure, people who tolerate, much less support, Nazi stuff “are Nazis too” but I’m willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.
To a certain extent, “bad” people succeed in capitalism and become powerful because of inherent personality traits, and a combination of lack of consequences and privilege creating lack of empathy. But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered
The pedophilia shit is not a coincidence.
Elon and Trump are fucking cowards.
They stand no chance when some actually bad people turn up.
Remember when we said that about Bush? This perspective leads to inaction which will allow us to continue down this path. They are actually bad. Have better standards.
His pro-natalist views are literally eugenics.
Reproducing is a way to gain power. On paper, saying smart people need to reproduce is a good goal, but we all know that the zip code of a child is a stronger indicator of their success than many other factors. But yeah if you start saying “only x race should reproduce because x race is smarter” then that’s bad. Republicans are anti abortion and contraception so that they can increase power, too. Having more uneducated people keeps them in power.
Its all about power. Making people racist and abusing that racism for their own is benefit is all part of the distraction. Racism is bad especially when it causes divide and conquer. But I also think we should focus on how those things are tools, and look for ways to prevent the goals that those tools enable.
but I’m willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.
His lineage is literally the Nazi party, he’s been indoctrinated from birth with that shit, not recently
But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered
He was born rich and lucked his way to more riches, simple as. Turns out rich idiots just do bad things, so it’s easy to find out that they’ve done so. Quite literally a requirement in capitalism to be a monster if you want to “win”
I’ve been able to find stuff about his mom’s dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not “literally the Nazis”. And that his dad claims to say apartheid is bad but said some sus stuff over the years.
Even if he didn’t do the work himself and sounded like a complete idiot in that leaked Twitter meeting, he did objectively advance society. I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash. Musk outlived his usefulness long ago though and is a net negative now to the point of almost undoing all the good he may had had a hand in creating. Society can survive this level of capitalism if it prevented generational wealth. The incompetency compounds and the inevitable conclusion has finally revealed itself.
I’ve been able to find stuff about his mom’s dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not “literally the Nazis”
So you failed to find the part where they left Canada for South Africa because, as members of the Canadian Nazi Party, Canada wasn’t fucked enough for them? It’s like… Basic info on his family
he did objectively advance society.
Lol, no, that would be the people he paid. He deserves 0 credit for that
I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash
Oh, so you’re an idiot, gotcha, gonna just disengage
If it’s so basic, obvious, and universally agreed, then he would have been boycotted much sooner. And yeah there’s only so much time I’m gonna put into research to reply to a random Lemmy thread. He’s a piece of shit and I don’t need to look for more evidence of that - it’s not going to change my opinion or cause me to take new actions. Even if you’re right, my greater point is about how blackmail and secrets drive power. Pedophilia, Nazism, same shit from that perspective.
I know he’s not actually a founder, but he deserves credit because EV companies have been getting outplayed for decades and now we finally them. People are tools, they do what they’re paid for. Very few truly innovate or move any kind of needle anywhere.
We’ll probably never know how many lives have been saved from FSD due to drunk/tired drivers who have already made the decision to drive instead of picking up their car in the morning or renting a hotel room. And I’m not aware of other EVs that have charging integrated into their navigation. And single pedal driving is awesome.
Amazon has crazy innovation in automation and logistics that allow us to get all kinds of shit with same-day, overnight, or two-day shipping. Their rearchitecture to api-driven software was hugely impactful, and they pretty much invented the cloud.
Uber introduced transparent pricing and accountability for taxi drivers to actually provide a good experience for their customers
DoorDash means we can get more than just shitty pizza or Chinese food.
All of these things make life better. The problem is that when people go (or reveal their) crazy we don’t strip their power or influence. The money and fame goes to their head and because they’re rich they don’t need to listen to advice because they begin to think they’re an expert in everything, and their money means they can succeed in new things, such having the ability to recognize whether or not they’re the baddies.
But hey since we’re insulting each other, I’d like to point out that guillotines are pretty big so before you’re actually gonna be able to build one, you’re gonna need to touch grass. In other words, you need to recruit allies if you want to win. I wish the world were more simple, too. But it isn’t.
Fuck his Nazi ass. Let him stew
