• Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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    12 days ago

    He wants to show power. Like he can do as he pleases and have anything he does not approve of removed.

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      12 days ago

      Power has to be the only driver for someone who already has hundreds of billions of dollars. If I had just one billion you’d never hear from me again, ever. Literally on an island or traveling the world. Bye, Felecia!

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        11 days ago

        People really, really don’t understand just how much 1 billion dollars is. Like we are hearing about Elon Musk’s net worth crashing as if he will somehow be homeless or lose everything. He won’t.

        If you had a billion dollars, and you gave away 95% of it, you will still have 50 million dollars to your name, which is still more than you can possibly spend (unless you live like some ultra millionaire lifestyle and throw parties that cost a million bucks each and have a giant mansion with insane upkeep).

  • TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com
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    12 days ago

    Imagine the leverage you’d need to have to make “the richest person in the world” do a Hitler salute on live TV. Sure, people who tolerate, much less support, Nazi stuff “are Nazis too” but I’m willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.

    To a certain extent, “bad” people succeed in capitalism and become powerful because of inherent personality traits, and a combination of lack of consequences and privilege creating lack of empathy. But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered

    The pedophilia shit is not a coincidence.

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      12 days ago

      Elon and Trump are fucking cowards.

      They stand no chance when some actually bad people turn up.

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        12 days ago

        Remember when we said that about Bush? This perspective leads to inaction which will allow us to continue down this path. They are actually bad. Have better standards.

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        12 days ago

        Reproducing is a way to gain power. On paper, saying smart people need to reproduce is a good goal, but we all know that the zip code of a child is a stronger indicator of their success than many other factors. But yeah if you start saying “only x race should reproduce because x race is smarter” then that’s bad. Republicans are anti abortion and contraception so that they can increase power, too. Having more uneducated people keeps them in power.

        Its all about power. Making people racist and abusing that racism for their own is benefit is all part of the distraction. Racism is bad especially when it causes divide and conquer. But I also think we should focus on how those things are tools, and look for ways to prevent the goals that those tools enable.

    • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      12 days ago

      but I’m willing to believe that he might not have actual genocidal / thinking races are subhuman / etc beliefs and if he does, it happened recently - way after he became compromised.

      His lineage is literally the Nazi party, he’s been indoctrinated from birth with that shit, not recently

      But to a much greater extent, I think power is handed to people once enough blackmail material is gathered

      He was born rich and lucked his way to more riches, simple as. Turns out rich idiots just do bad things, so it’s easy to find out that they’ve done so. Quite literally a requirement in capitalism to be a monster if you want to “win”

      • TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com
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        12 days ago

        I’ve been able to find stuff about his mom’s dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not “literally the Nazis”. And that his dad claims to say apartheid is bad but said some sus stuff over the years.

        Even if he didn’t do the work himself and sounded like a complete idiot in that leaked Twitter meeting, he did objectively advance society. I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash. Musk outlived his usefulness long ago though and is a net negative now to the point of almost undoing all the good he may had had a hand in creating. Society can survive this level of capitalism if it prevented generational wealth. The incompetency compounds and the inevitable conclusion has finally revealed itself.

        • gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I’ve been able to find stuff about his mom’s dad being pro apartheid which is obviously bad but is not “literally the Nazis”

          So you failed to find the part where they left Canada for South Africa because, as members of the Canadian Nazi Party, Canada wasn’t fucked enough for them? It’s like… Basic info on his family

          he did objectively advance society.

          Lol, no, that would be the people he paid. He deserves 0 credit for that

          I think the world is better off with things like Tesla Amazon Uber and DoorDash

          Oh, so you’re an idiot, gotcha, gonna just disengage

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            11 days ago

            If it’s so basic, obvious, and universally agreed, then he would have been boycotted much sooner. And yeah there’s only so much time I’m gonna put into research to reply to a random Lemmy thread. He’s a piece of shit and I don’t need to look for more evidence of that - it’s not going to change my opinion or cause me to take new actions. Even if you’re right, my greater point is about how blackmail and secrets drive power. Pedophilia, Nazism, same shit from that perspective.

            I know he’s not actually a founder, but he deserves credit because EV companies have been getting outplayed for decades and now we finally them. People are tools, they do what they’re paid for. Very few truly innovate or move any kind of needle anywhere.

            We’ll probably never know how many lives have been saved from FSD due to drunk/tired drivers who have already made the decision to drive instead of picking up their car in the morning or renting a hotel room. And I’m not aware of other EVs that have charging integrated into their navigation. And single pedal driving is awesome.

            Amazon has crazy innovation in automation and logistics that allow us to get all kinds of shit with same-day, overnight, or two-day shipping. Their rearchitecture to api-driven software was hugely impactful, and they pretty much invented the cloud.

            Uber introduced transparent pricing and accountability for taxi drivers to actually provide a good experience for their customers

            DoorDash means we can get more than just shitty pizza or Chinese food.

            All of these things make life better. The problem is that when people go (or reveal their) crazy we don’t strip their power or influence. The money and fame goes to their head and because they’re rich they don’t need to listen to advice because they begin to think they’re an expert in everything, and their money means they can succeed in new things, such having the ability to recognize whether or not they’re the baddies.

            But hey since we’re insulting each other, I’d like to point out that guillotines are pretty big so before you’re actually gonna be able to build one, you’re gonna need to touch grass. In other words, you need to recruit allies if you want to win. I wish the world were more simple, too. But it isn’t.

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    12 days ago

    He doesn’t want it removed. He wants to target those using it against him. Nazis using it to praise him are not in the crossfires now.

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    12 days ago

    I think he wants it removed because of the effect on Tesla. He’d prefer if he could do things without consequences for his actions.

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      12 days ago

      I assume it sucks feeling consequenses for the first time in his life. I hope he feels some more consequenses.

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    12 days ago

    because it didn’t work.

    the whole idea was to trigger the libs with a vague gesture, like that one bitch who turned it into an awkward wave, but he got a little too into it and now people are setting his cars on fire.

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      12 days ago

      Vague gesture? It was a full on nazi salute.

      Why are you saying this? Just call it what it is for fucks sake.

      Are you afraid or something?

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        12 days ago

        The above commenter is saying that Elon likely tried to be vague about what he was doing, but failed at subtlety and made an obvious Nazi salute.

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        12 days ago

        You can try reading that comment again. Or maybe you replied to the wrong comment, because it doesn’t say anything remotely similar to what you are complaining about.

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          12 days ago

          No. I responded to your comment about “vague gesture”.

          Did you already forget what you wrote? Are you suffering from amnesia?

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      I think it’s more that he got a bit too excited about the way the far right can get away with absolutely anything. The media will make excuses for you, the fan base will love it, the more outrageous it is the more it makes libs cry. The democrats will impotently voice objections, the Overton window will move as required, and you will have gotten away with it. I think he wanted to be the star of that whole circus.

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    11 days ago

    He wanted to do it to please the Magats but not take any responsibility or have it used against him later.

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    12 days ago

    A cybertruck ate the dingo that ate my baby! This is me spreading hate against Tesla. I’m a terrorist. Fear me!

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    12 days ago

    In Musk logic: it’s not bad when he does it. It’s bad when people start discussing it, because they might come to a disapproving conclusion.