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I would say it’s “fewer” not “less”, but every time I do, I get a lecture and downvoted.
Even though this time it’s quite clearly a case where “fewer” is the proper choice as “cop” is most definitely a countable noun (yes, I know there are exceptions, this is generally not one.)
Bring on the downvotes.
I agree with the sentiment.
Literal grammar police.
ACAB.
The thin red line
no downvotes on blahaj
You can’t be downvoted because this is on blåhaj.
You can count numbers but they use < in maths. QED.
Less cops --> Fewer racism
Less cops
Fewer racism
Very better society
Wow!
Fewer.
Why?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/fewer-vs-less
Essentially, fewer is normally used for discrete numbers of things (e.g. “fewer apples”, “fewer boats”, or “fewer cops”) while less is used for amounts (e.g. “less water”, “less sand”, or “less money”).
As noted in the above link, there are exceptions. However, the exceptions listed are all with “than” or “or” added. Specifically, it’s pointing put that while “fewer items” is correct, “3 items or less” is also considered correct.
In the case of the sign, it is referring to the specific number of officers in the city, so it should use “fewer”. Does it matter? No, not really. Why did I bother saying anything? I got a chance to rep grammar and quote Stannis Baratheon at the same time.
Good to know. Thanks
Recently I’ve started to think that these and other similar battles are lost.
It just feels so petty. Not a single person reading “less cops” was confused by its meaning. I get fighting against misuse of your/you’re, its/it’s, etc. because they can make things harder to read. Fewer and less, though, have the exact same underlying meaning (a reduction).
Your write. Choose you’re battle wisely
Can we at least stop allowing people to use ‘of’ instead of ‘have’?
It doesn’t make any sense and I need to read the sentence twice to understand what they’re saying.
Apparently an unpopular take, but wouldn’t the world (or at least, this country…) be a better place if the folks who became cops were the type of people who were also considering being a librarian?
Basically it seems like the ACAB mindset is in part self-fulfilling: “cops are bastards , I’m not a bastard, therefore I won’t be a cop.” Ok, so now some bastard who is less qualified than you becomes a cop, with no competition from you.
I get that the institution of policing in this country is deeply flawed; but is what we’re currently doing really working?
Maybe a progressive, grass roots “infiltration” of the police is doomed to fail, I dunno. But I’m not sure we’ll ever find out.
It’s because the institution itself is corrupt. The cops are best thought of as a state-sponsored gang. What you’re proposing is like saying “Maybe if enough progressives join street gangs, we can end gang violence!”
The story I’ve heard is “What does a ‘good cop’ get for sticking their neck out for what is right?” “Fired.”
I agree with your sentiment though. I don’t know how to fix it, but we need an overhaul of the system.
Maybe a progressive, grass roots “infiltration” of the police is doomed to fail, I dunno. But I’m not sure we’ll ever find out.
You not wanting to find out doesn’t mean it hasn’t been confirmed, over and over and over and over again.
but is what we’re currently doing really working?
No, that’s literally why people who say ACAB also want to abolish the police.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/officer-a-cab-confessions-of-a-former-bastard-cop
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-manifesto-for-the-abolition-of-the-police
want to abolish the police.
That’s stupid. Yeah, they’re bastards, but some sort of police is needed. We aren’t devolving into libertarianism where everyone hires private security.
We just need to cripple police unions, restrict qualified immunity, make body cams mandatory, have a separate oversight body, and make cops carry individual insurance (so no tax dollars pay out lawsuits, and bad cops become uninsurable). The problem will fix itself in months.
We do not need armed representatives of the state to have a peaceful country. Cop training is designed to create violence and escalate. Cops are tasked with jobs they are not qualified for, like interacting with disabled people. Cops are violent, cops are slave catchers, cops are used to stop social revolution and to jail/kill political dissidents. They murder, pillage, rape, and justify their violence as “needed” as if violence has ever solved the problem of “crime”. Crime is only a symptom of the system, and cops exist to mask those symptoms from the consciousness of the machine. Their “necessity” is far oversold. Any number of more specific and useful specialized jobs could be created to fill the role of cops. Fun fact: on average (between the states) cops only get 500 hrs of training (before they get to shoot civilians).
Still think the cops can be “fixed” by simple policy change (which requires ignoring the systematic issues with the police)? In 2005, the supreme court made a landmark ruling that boils down to “the police do not need to enforce the law, we leave it up to their own judgment” (read more: Town of Castle Rock v. Gonzales.
We aren’t devolving into libertarianism where everyone hires private security.
The fact that that’s the only option you can imagine (and that you’ve clearly refused to further educate yourself about other options that definitely do exist, by reading any of the links provided, some of which address your specific brand of bullshit, or any other relevant information that is freely available to you, because they challenge said bullshit) is down to you, not a reflection of reality.
The problem will fix itself in months.
Lmmfao, sorry, not that I was, but I doubly can’t take you seriously if you honestly believe this, since it removes any last shred of doubt about your wilful ignorance…
The fact you can’t conceive of a world where police aren’t needed is genuinely sad. We did just fine without a militarized police force for hundreds of years. Do you think human nature has changed in the past 70 years? That we have suddenly gotten more inherently violent?
Personally, I think traffic cops are the only part of the police force I can’t justify getting rid of. Most other things seem like they should belong to the FBI, IRS, or the actual military. But traffic cops do actually important work.
Good people who become cops get bullied into either becoming bad cops or leaving (or worse)
I think another big issue is that cops are paid like shit. This immediately removes a lot of qualified people because for that effort you could make a lot more money somewhere else.
The only candidates you are left with are those who truly care for the community, and those who get off controlling it.
Where did you get that info? Cops in LA NYC & Seattle (all places I’ve lived) have very high starting salaries, besides all the excellent benny’s like double pay for anything over 4hrs OT work per day, zero dollar PPO insurance, etc…
Entry level salary for cops in Seattle is over 100k
More help and less authoritarian violence!
Fewer authoritarian violence.
Funny enough, a few months ago, I took a photo of the same poster.
100% funded by the fire department lmao
Actually? Because good! Cops try and act like they’re an emergency service, like they’re first responders, when they’re not. So it’s good to hear some firies and ambos pushing back against that, all too often cops buddy up to them.
Only in america, cops would not be regarded AS first responders lmaoo
I don’t know what part of the world you’re in, but where I am, cops absolutely are referred to as first responders.
One actually showed up at my friends place just a few weeks back, and the complete bloody chucklefuck did CPR on her even though she was breathing.
They also notoriously give narcan for literally anything lol
I don’t completely blame them, considering it’s one of the only anti drug drugs that they can administer, but like not everyone who’s unresponsive is confirmed opioid overdose.
Friend, I have done Advanced First Aid before where I live. I’ve refreshed the CPR component many times. Which is the best case for that officer in question’s qualifications. The thing with narcan is that, it’s not great if you don’t need it, but it won’t kill you. However, and you’re taught this in CPR training, if you perform it on someone who isn’t in cardiac arrest, you can cause them to go into cardiac arrest. He literally could have killed her.
is ambo actually a thing people say? that’s so funny
Yes, that is actually a thing people say here in Australia. We don’t have “EMTs” here, they’re called Ambulance Officers, and that sounds kinda wanky, so we just say Ambo. It’s as widely-used here as Cop is for Police Officer.
By and large, you probably think it sounds funny bc it does in ur accent and I’d be laughing my arse off at you ☺️
Don’t know if it was, but firemen tend to dislike police. I am also getting the idea EMT are getting to that point now. Close friends of the family have been in both of these fields for a long time. They, and all their friends, from their prospective work, feel derision for police. The firemen openly mocked them as long as I knew them, and the EMTs have been getting less, and less, friendly with the police in the last decade.
I was at my first rodeo a few weeks back and there was a tug of war between the cops and firemen. The cops won but they had an extra guy and somehow their huge anchor person at the back was twice as fat as the biggest fire guy. I don’t know how a 450-500 pound guy is a cop.
Nobody wrote a song called Fuck the Fire Department. Except this guy. And it’s amazing.
So, you wanna be on the top Harassin’ and shootin’ all the kids on the block Incarcerate the youth of the next generation And you’ll get the high-fives at the police station
You generally need a Master’s degree to become a librarian.
Yes. The poster is encouraging people to do better.
Less cops. More people with higher education.
Why master’s? But you WILL need a degree. Bachelor in Library Science, alternatively Pedagogy or Philology.
It may seem odd, but librarians are pre-internet search engine. You tell them “I want I don’t know what, but something like that and that” and they point where to find such information.
Lmao, you need a fucking masters to catalogue and check out books to local schoolchildren but you don’t need it to be trusted with a badge and a gun.
We’re so fucked dude.
Edit: Mentioned in reply to another comment, but sorry for making librarians sound like they don’t do much. My point wasn’t that they’re not important, my point was that they don’t make life or death decisions for random members of the community on the daily.
You are dramatically underestimating the responsibilities and skill set of a librarian.
