Hour long unskippable ads? You have to show me that video where this happens
I got the entire bee movie once, but it was skippable.
So did I. And weirdly it kept getting faster and faster.
It once happened to me around 8 years ago. I just had to update the page and got a normal ad. Dumb past-me not using unlock Origin
How about this, do a profit sharing agreement with channels. If a channel makes money from YouTube, YouTube gets a cut, and let the channel decide whether to run ads, use sponsor segments, post affiliate links, etc. If they choose to not monetize at all, they pay a monthly fee for hosting.
We’ve launched a global effort to urge viewers with ad blockers enabled to allow ads on YouTube or try YouTube Premium for an ad free experience.
By drastically increasing the rates every 6 months. Raising it past the prices of actual production streaming services. And paying the people making the content less and less money, until they have to put their own ads and their own content.
Are ad blockers to blame?
Why do you make me hit you?
No no no…don’t hit them. That leaves a mark. Instead, hold them down, and tickle them for an hour.
Then if they try to go to the police, and say “they tickled me!” the cops will just laugh. And, no marks.
The only reason adblockers would be to blame would be because Google wanted to make up for lost revenue, similar to the myth of high end department stores having high prices because they expect their customers to shoplift.
The funny thing is using a good adblocker and I haven’t noticed a single youtube ad, so if they’re to blame, they’re also the solution. I don’t see how this move functionally does anything other than punish those who can’t block ads.
Collective punishment
People that know what ad blockers are frequently use them. The act of punishing the group that isn’t aware of adblockers simply will drive more users to discover/make use of them.
“We have to punish you because of what those other people are doing to legitimately evade punishment” is only a useful argument if the punished group can somehow cover for those not affected.
Exactly. It’s a tired argument that’s been made in a lot of different mediums. It’s not worked in any of them.
Remember those unskippable anti-piracy DVD ads that only paying customers saw? The media industry has learned jack shit during the last 30 years.
You could skip them on PC, and they didn’t come when you rip them. So it was only paying customers using it in the expected way.
I dropped all my subs and only have youtube premium. I hate ads and I watch a lot of tubes. I don’t feel bad about it since they share revenue with creators.
Damn, lemmy is over here upset that you pay for something you like and use frequently.
YouTube creators have said many times they get a lot more from a premium view compared to a regular one.
Dude the value google gets out of creators’ videos vastly outstrips the paltry “share” they give them. If you aren’t consistently dropping multiple videos with 5-10,000,000 views a month you can’t make it And in order to hit those numbers you must resort to scummy and clickbait-y tactics. You’re lucky if you don’t burnout from the required output to make it financially viable.
Fuck google, fuck YouTube premium/ads. Freetube all day.
They force paying customers ( yt music premium & yt premium ) to disable ad blockers, too. Why? If I accordingly to the contract shouldn’t get any ads why they would need to punish for blocking ads which shouldn’t exist :-)?
They don’t. I use ad blockers and pay for a premium subscription. Everything works fine without disabling the blockers.
You aint getting the ads but they still need you to load the trackers mate.
It is for your own safety, taker your pants off, boy
I pay for YT premium and use unlock origin + privacy badger and don’t see any ads on YT.
One solution to that problem is to close YouTube on your device and do something else with your time.
Youtube when I use Ublock Origin on my Thinkpad and ReVanced on my Pixel:
Grayjay is my new hotness
Any reason for thinkpad and pixel?
I am wondering the same, mentioning the specific hardware makes very little sense, when it could just be mentioned as Linux/Windows/PC and Android/GrapheneOS/etc.
It would arguably be more informative too for people looking for alternatives for their device platforms.
Probably to let us know mobile and PC variants.
He’s rightfully displaying his dominance
While the company stops short of directly saying as much, it sure feels like the preposterously long ads we’re seeing here are an example of one tool in Google’s arsenal for effectively disabling YouTube playback for violators of the site’s ToS.
That makes no sense at all. It isn’t like skipping ads results in a black screen for the length of the ad.
People with adblockers aren’t going to see hour long ads or black screens when they don’t see ads in the first place.
I’m cool with that. but only because I’ll open 300 tabs all playing the same hour long ad on a remote PC and play them while I sleep.
let them chew through their finite bandwidth when there’s millions of people doing the same thing.
All that does is make YouTube money while costing money to the advertisers.
How long do you think those advertisers will stay when it turns out they’ve paid $1M in advertising with no change in sales?
I hear what you are saying but the truth is that they will stay, just so they aren’t missing, regardless of ROI. Case in point is Xitter. The numbers clearly state that the level of engagement and sales conversion from Xitter ads is pitiful, especially when compared to Bluesky, yet advertisers still hang in there…just in case.
That’s because at a certain point ads become less about direct sales, and more about brand recognition. This is why Coke has a massive advertising budget. You know what Coke is. You’re either going to buy a Coke or you’re not. But by advertising as heavily as they do, they’re reminding you that they exist.
That’s why their heaviest advertising season is Christmas. Some of the advertisements don’t even show their product. Some do, but some just show Santa flying his sleigh with cheery christmas music. Then their Coke logo gets spelled out in the stars as he passes by.
It’s just so you assosiate their brand with good emotions. But it requires an almost constant barrage of ads, and it’s direct sales are impossible to measure.
The advertising team will just blame it on something else. They have the numbers showing their ads are being watched, everything else is conjecture.
and then someone finds this thread. 🤣
I think Google doesn’t care about that at all.
They most likely pay peanuts compared to you for “bandwidth” (which for them is more of an electricity cost and trough-output allocation than a specific numeric value like consumers and smaller companies have). You also cache the video on your own device making the multiple tab thing useless if you don’t know what you’re doing. And Google can also just block you when they attack their servers, move traffic around, and so much more advanced stuff that protects their infrastructure.
tl;dr: Trying to boycott Google by trying to waste their resources is useless.
don’t care about their allotted price per GB. I care about their network throughput. can’t be faster than 200gbps at the switch and having millions of videos streaming simultaneously on top of their already network throughput would likely become an incident for the UX teams.
As I said it’s 100 times more advanced than that.
They can switch IPs, datacenters, regions, whatever they want. They even have access to BGP routing.
They also use some custom switches according to Wikipedia:
The private side of the network is a secret, but a recent disclosure from Google[90] indicate that they use custom built high-radix switch-routers (with a capacity of 128 × 10 Gigabit Ethernet port) for the wide area network. Running no less than two routers per datacenter (for redundancy) we can conclude that the Google network scales in the terabit per second range (with two fully loaded routers the bi-sectional bandwidth amount to 1,280 Gbit/s).
200gig was surpassed what, 8 years ago? They have super active load balancing based on your region. You could purchase a Fiber gigabit line and only watch videos 24/7/365 and nobody at YouTube would ever notice.
It’s hilarious that they think it would matter to anyone with an ad blocker. I haven’t seen an ad for years on youtube. Hell I haven’t even seen promotions in videos for a few months now that I found a sponsor segment blocker.
Both are available on pc and mobile. Love it.
What do you use?
On PC Firefox with the Sponsorblock extension
On Mobile (Android) NewPipe with the Sponsorblock Fork.
Awesome, thanks!
I came across a few days ago with Pipepipe, which is a Newpipe Hard fork with sponsorblock. It seems that it is better maintained than Newpipe ( that stops working sometimes ), and has more features. https://f-droid.org/en/packages/InfinityLoop1309.NewPipeEnhanced/
Greed.
Ads on YouTube? I don’t know what ur talking about. If people are getting ads then as far as I’m concerned that’s a skill issue.
Ads in the modern world are an idiot tax. And those of us who don’t pay that tax need the idiots to keep paying our tab.
it’s a tax on all of us whether you personally see them or not. those ads control the idiots.
While their statement is entirely correct, they’re still wrong. YouTube is basically unusable without an ad blocker. Multiple 10 to 15 second long unskippable ads before the video even starts, and unless you watch videos all the way through you end up watching as much ad as you do content. It is damn near impossible to hop around between videos trying to find the one you want because of the pre-roll ads on every vid. On the other hand, with an ad block enabled YouTube is actually quite nice. The engagement algorithm is fucking trash of course but if you know what you’re looking for and you go directly to it it’s pretty good.
Do you habitually not watch videos all the way through, or am I misunderstanding your comment?
No judgement, you obviously should consume media in the manner you find most enjoyable, but once I start and enjoy a video - YouTube or otherwise - I tend to get invested and want to watch as much as is available.
If you’re looking for tutorials or other immediately applicable information, you’ve often got to skip a LOT of bullshit before even determining if this video is relevant to you.
"Hey everybody it’s Mike from Mike’s the guy named Mike, it’s a snowy day out there, I got my coffee, took my dog for a walk, it’s been the morning of a day, and now I’m out here in the garage and I figured I’d make a video about a topic a bunch of you have been asking me about. You guys have been asking me a lot lately “Hey, Mike’s the guy named Mike, could you show us how to properly lick a drill press?” Well let’s find out.
10 second title screen because Mike thinks he’s making TV
“So a lot of you guys have been asking me “Hey, Mike’s the guy named Mike, could you show us the right way to lick a drill press?” Before we get into that, be sure to leave a like, drop a comment below and be sure to subscribe. It’ll really help me out more than you can think…”
19 minutes into a 21 minute video and there hasn’t been a drill press on screen yet.
Three weeks later Mike’s the guy named Mike along with his entire family is killed in a rock slide. The UN declares it an international day of celebration.
What was I talking about?
You need to get sponsor block. Not only does it block all the sponsor segments because they are also ads, that the ad blockers don’t otherwise block, but they also block all of the other annoyances, like instructions to subscribe and intro animations.
yeah that’s really the key to an acceptable youtube experience. after google nuked UBO on chromeOS, sponsorblock is still there to do the heavy lifting. I’ll be switching to a windows machine soon, but for now all I have is my chromebook, which is still functional even without the real UBO-- but I’m sure they’re working on a way to fuck us out of the “lite” version of it and take away extensions like sponsorblock
Can you run Firefox on a Chromebook?
*Either you go with the Android build or you take one more step towards joining the cult of Linux.
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I tried to watch one video from a guy on a specific topic and he opened with an update on his divorce. Coooool.
Holy moly this is spot on 🤣🤣
19 minutes into a 21 minute video and there hasn’t been a drill press on screen yet
And that’s intentional. The algorithm rewards them for having people watch more / watch longer, and a 21 min video might have 2 or 3 ad rolls. If someone watches all the way thru, creator gets more money and higher placement in search results.
I like YouTube as a concept but the algorithms are totally enshittifying it.
I remember the early, pre-Google days of Youtube, when it was fail videos, that one particular kind of lyric video, lonelygirl15 and mememolly. It was about the time South park had run that episode where they had all the people who had become internet famous like Tay Zonday and the Star Wars Kid who were sitting around in a waiting room waiting for their “internet money” to make the point that there was no method in place for them to monetize their fame…
If you had asked me then what Youtube would look like in the year 2025 I don’t know what I would have said but I wouldn’t have guessed correctly. I probably would have said it’s not going to last that long. I would not have guessed that fifteen years of Google changing the algorithm, but not letting anyone know what they did or why, so there’s this constant game of trying to design video formats around what the software would promote would twist it into what it is…
Brilliant 😄
The way I see it these folks don’t respect my time when pulling off shit like this.
Emotional rollercoaster.
When I’m ‘watching a video’ I watch it all the way thru. However often I’m looking for something specific, like how to do something, and a lot more tutorials are now in video form than written (which I don’t love but whatever). In that situation I’m usually looking for a specific piece of information which often requires scrubbing around in multiple videos. Same thing if I’m doing research on a product, while I might watch a review will the way through I’m more often looking for some specific things like video of the interface or does it have some specific setting or can I set it up without needing a phone app or cloud account. That requires scrubbing around in multiple videos to see bits of the setup UI. Unusable if each video has an ad
a lot more tutorials are now in video form than written (which I don’t love but whatever)
One of my favorite Youtubers (Greg’s Airplanes and Automobiles) has excellent in-depth content mostly about WWII piston-engined aircraft with lots of detailed discussion and reference to original source materials. But it’s just him reading a written script while presenting still photos and excerpts from flight manuals and the like. It really would be perfect as a blog or in book form, but he has to turn it into videos in order to have any chance at making decent money from it. It’s just such a shame that this is how things are going now.
This makes no sense to me. It’s significantly more expensive to create and host video content, yet somehow we’ve gotten to the point where that’s the most profitable? It makes no sense.
It’s all about advertising. On a web page, which is cheap to create and cheap to host, the only ad you can really get is a pop-up or similar, and those don’t pay very much. On the video, which is expensive to create and expensive to host, you can have 30 or 45 seconds of video ads, which pay a lot more.
It has nothing to do with the expense and everything to do with the fact that most people do not enjoy reading (any more, at least).
I guess I’ll just appreciate the fact that my books don’t have ads.
I read a lot of books on Kindle. It’s just a matter of time …
If you like that sort of thing you’ll like IHYLS
a lot more tutorials are now in video form than written (which I don’t love but whatever)
You’re not alone in that, and it seems neither am I
There are at least three of us!
And my axe!
Fair enough. Thanks for the answer!
Sharing another app suggestion(s) for Android: Tubular [0] or the more up-to-date LastPipeBender [1].
Both apps differ from NewPipe and its variants by integrating with PeerTube along with YouTube, apart from providing features like SponsorBlock and ReturnYouTubeDislike.
I have started using PeerTube much more often as my subscriptions from YouTube and PeerTube are now shown together, which makes for a seamless and superior experience altogether.
[0] https://github.com/polymorphicshade/Tubular [1] https://github.com/MaintainTeam/LastPipeBender
Using Youtube without Revanced or uBlock is like using a phone without a case.
Eh, using a phone w/o a case is reasonable. I’d liken it more to watching live TV. Why do that in the era of streaming services when you can (well, could) avoid ads and watch exactly what you want instead of whatever slop the network decides you should watch?
