It’s simple - they hate others more than they love their kids.
They hate their kids more than they love their kids too.
I let them vote how they wish
How wholesome
But they certainly can’t do what they want with their own body! Why won’t they talk to me?? 😭
That’s all you need to know about this shit stain.
That stuck out the most
Isn’t he generous.
That was the word I was thinking of but couldn’t find.
Bless his heart.
“I didn’t personally infringe on their rights at all”
All while voting against their interests. Sounds like a wonderful father.
It isn’t because he voted a certain way. It’s because the person he supports and his followers make his daughters less safe. The person he supports is a rapist and by supporting him you tacitly condone rape. And the more people look the other way the more accepted it becomes. Your daughter’s aren’t in danger because of some migrants, your daughter’s are in danger because weirdo men want to control their bodies to the point that they’ll let your daughter’s die to save a fetus. Whether or not you, the father, personally believe these things, you are empowering those that do. You are making the world a more scary and less safe place for your daughters.
Yeah, no wonder they don’t want to associate with you. I wouldn’t either
Conservatives seem to have this weird belief that if they tried something and failed, then everything should be as if they never tried at all. Like, “attempted murder” just isn’t a thing in their eyes.
Maybe it’s just how their fragile egos handle not winning everything always.
They don’t win everything always?
The love the fucking around, but they want to eliminate the finding out
Like, “attempted murder” just isn’t a thing in their eyes.
“You see, Birch, I’m presently incarcerated for a crime I didn’t even commit! ‘Attempted murder.’ Ha! Now, honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they?!” - Sideshow Bob from the episode of The Simpsons where he literally becomes the Republican mayoral candidate after calling into a right wing talk radio show.
When Trump won and starting talking about how unlikely it was, I half-expected him to break out into evil laughter ala Sideshow Bob in this scene. Which certainly would have been more honest.
Could he then get dragged through cactai while strapped to someone’s undercarriage and then step on rakes indefinitely? That’d be swell.
Yeah sure the daughters fell for the propaganda
It might be because this guy voted for trump, and that would be justifiable, but it’s more likely that it’s because they have made MAGA their entire personality. Their twitter feed is just a non stop bullshit feed filled with retweets from the usual suspects, there’s no self taken photos, no fun shitposts, nothing about hobbies or events they go to… just transphobia, bullshit and even praise towards Matt Gaetz ffs. Who would want to spend a dinner with someone like that.
I have a family member that doesn’t get this (thankfully just the one). It’s not that he voted for Trump, it’s all the shit he says. The casual “haha jk” racism when I introduced him to a Hispanic friend of mine. The fact that he will loudly talk about some things specifically to upset or annoy people. The fact that he thinks politics is a team sport and Trump’s win is a personal victory for him that somehow means he “beat” the rest of us.
Do we have the same dad?
Edit: Actually we cant be related, because this describes both parents, my little brother, and all my aunts/uncles/cousins, and grandparents and you said “One person”.
Aren’t these people basically hive mind?
I remember when they’d accuse everyone of being NPCs, then use the same collection of vapid catchphrases ad nauseum.
“It’s not because you voted for Trump. It’s because you’re the kind of person who would vote for Trump.”
Some of them, I assume, are good people.
It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.
The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another, while he very much is getting a ton out of having set conservatives against liberals. Whatever way we choose to fight one another, he wins.
What party in the US wants to restrict access to meat?
Didn’t you hear? Joe Biden wants to take your meat!
I realize your point is that Russia is trying to find any wedge issue they can to cause infighting, but that was a frustrating example.
A lot of Trump supporters are voting to cause direct harm to marginalized groups, and have made it a part of their daily identity. “If I caught a man using the same bathroom as my daughter, I’d fuck him up.” (real quote from someone I know)
A vegan voting to get rid of meat subsidies simply doesn’t want to pay for your meat. Or voting for animal rights isn’t voting to cause you direct harm like blocking crucial medical care. Also, most vegans usually keep to themselves. The only reason it seems like they tell everyone is how often they are asked, “wait, are you vegetarian?” every time they dare to order tofu/veggies instead of meat.
Source: I’m not even vegan or vegetarian, but have probably been asked a hundred times. I can only imagine how often a vegan is asked that question.
Uh…who’s voting to restrict access to meat again? What rights are “the other side” trying to restrict?
It works on the other side too - e.g. “I’m vegan btw, and voting to restrict access to your ability to eat meat”.
Who’s doing this?
The difference seems to be that there was no incentive for Putin to set vegans vs. meat eaters against one another,
Oh, you sweet summer child.
This! ^^^
Although even if a person appears to be decent human being, if they voted for Trump that tells you everything you need to know about who they really are. The whole “when people tell you who they are, believe them” deal.
While true the level of obnoxiousness when having to be around them for a bit certainly gets a lot worse with the “entire personality” type.
Oh, absolutely.
Hit the nail on the head. I am surrounded by conservatives at work. I’m friends with most. There is a huge difference between someone who leans right and the online MAGA trolls. They simply believe everything they see on Fox News.
We do have one guy who is like that, and everyone collectively rolls their eyes every time he says something. Everyone has met someone like this… tries to say something provocative, and acts surprised when someone is offended. “Oooohhh you can’t say anything anymore. It was a joke!”
General Grant would not approve
I was about to say, General Grant annihilated the confederacy then President Grant tore apart the first KKK. He would probably beat the shit out of this member of the forth KKK.
“I openly voted against the interests of my own children and also openly claim they have a mental disorder for their views.”
Get fucked.
These people really are clueless. No appreciation at all for how their actions affect others. They get surprised when people stop putting themselves in harms way by simply not being around them.
Want your family back? Realize that what you think is some free speech populist revolution is just an excuse for a lot of people to be assholes and expect no consequences.
to be fair, democrats think voting for trump is a mental illness too.
not on anyone’s side here, just pointing out the hypocrisy
Hypocrisy is clutching your pearls and virtue signalling “Christian conservative values” while worshipping a “grab-em-by-the-pussy” false-profit who is the closest thing to the antichrist in living memory.
So yeah, only one of those groups has a literal mental illness, and they are also the hypocrites.
It’s not that Trumpism is a mental illness, more like you need to have a mental illness to be a Trump supporter.
this is no different than the right calling the left mentally ill.
both of you think you’re right, and I think the real answer is nobody is right.
“As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.”
The dictators claims that all of their political opponents are terrorists is not analogous or equally valid to the terrorized political opponents calling the dictator a terrorist. If you can’t comprehend how those two groups are different — the logical separation between the conman who lies about everything and terrorizes his opponents, and every group he chooses to terrorize — then you either have the mental illness, or are most at risk to the propaganda (and future mental illness).
Pro tip! Only a fascist opposes ANTI-FAscism.
Please re-read the last line I wrote.
Conservatives never learn anything. It’s part of why they’re conservative in the first place. They don’t grow, expand their minds, or learn from life. They hit a point where they harden and ruin relationships.
I mean the point of conservatism is to “not change”, or “conserve” the old ways. Learning by definition means understanding new ideas which may even lead to trying new things, aka trying to “progress”, a leftist idea.
Many, many who vote conservative, used to be liberal. Haven’t you learned that most people turn conservatives as they get older? After growth, and learning more about life and politics, people tend to turn conservative…
The writing on the wall is plain and simple.
Through experience, people can perceive what politics actually effect their life/family/bottom dollar. The 40yo dumbass has seen president’s come and go. The 20yo dumbass might not even have voted for a president yet. But which dumbass probably has a better formed opinion?
As it’s also fondly called, the “Fuck you, I got mine” phenomenon.
100% of the conservatives I’ve known in my life were this, and the libertarians were the same. They have a narrow, self-centered view of everything, and think that everyone has the same exact opportunities they have. If someone isn’t as successful as they are, instead of acknowledging that everyone has a unique set of barriers and experiences, they dismissively write it off as them being lazy.
I’ve heard this multiple times and have very rarely seen it apply. Usually if they’re conservative in their later years, they always were. It just wasn’t as prevalent or talked about. I’ve been a lefty since I was a kid and have not deviated at all.
It’s like people that once supported Bernie now voting for Trump (they’re a strange anomaly but they exist). They were never actually liberal. They either voted entirely on vibes and feels, or they got swept up in the wave of others around them. Then eventually their true self surfaces.
People grow more conservative when they have something to conserve. Also because they’re wanker and weren’t raised right.
Also the world moves towards progressiveness by definition so people who still have the same views with 80 as they did with 20 are probably more conservative (in the traditional sense of the word) relative to the rest of the world.
I find that they’re usually fixated on materialistic things. They get a little money and it goes to their head.
I gotta say, I’m becoming more lefty as I age. I grew up with an emphasis on personal responsibility, self reliance etc. Those principles still ring true with me. But I have seen them twisted by conservatives to be used against individuals in the interests of the 1%, the corporations. Trump doesn’t even pretend to play by the same rules. He has literally said “I take no responsibility at all” while as the president for things he was in control of. That’s not a leader, it’s a ruler.
In my experience, the loudest conservatives I’ve met have all fallen into 2 categories:
Explicitly “fuck you I got mine” I can at least appreciate the honesty with these ones.
And “I haven’t read a book since 12th grade, and now I struggle to read at a 2nd grade level.” And that’s just performing the act of reading. Actual comprehension and critical thinking are completely beyond them.
The religious types are part of the equation too, but my area isn’t particularly religious, so I don’t often come across those assholes.
The religious types are really just subsets of the other types who want to play the “See, it is not me saying all those bigoted things about you, it is my god” card to avoid counter-arguments.
No, that’s just one of those sayings that goes around. It’s the assumption that people make more money as they age thus causing them to be more conservative. Maybe this was true in the 80s
I don’t think age makes people conservative, I think power makes people conservative. If you accumulate wealth and power then you may become conservative in order to protect your wealth from taxes.
Just as others in this thread have said, it’s the “fuck you, I got mine” attitude.
I used to be more leaft leaning when young yes. Now I turned 40… I’m feeling anarchist I tell ya… Burn everything stop oppressing no one should have power.
I am 44 and went from conservative to liberal. My parents always told me I would switch as I got older and that was wrong. What I learned was conservatives want three things: money, controlling people, and being allowed to say the quiet part out loud.
What amazes me is conservatives are “Christian” yet don’t want to provide health care to people. I don’t remember Jesus in the bible healing people then asking for payment later.
Everyone is dynamic and unique, and no one’s experience is the same as another’s. Of course. I speak in generalities. Personally, I grew up identifying as conservative, then around 23, as my political opinions changed, I considered myself a liberal. That lasted about a dozen years, but now, again, I consider i probably fall more into the conservative camp.
It could be “learning more about life and politics” or it could be “becoming senile and having a steady diet of FOX News, Facebook, and YouTube”. Since higher levels of education are correlated with leftist politics, I’m betting on the second one.
Last sentence is right. It is very sad.
Sad that elections tear families apart. And that goes for all sides making discussions like this. The moment you stop dialogue you stop the change you want to make. Both pathetic and sad, I hope for a future of coexistance in American families.
We’ve had various “dialog” for decades and see where it let us. Down the shitter. If you voted for Trump, you actively voted for a protofascist clown that is about to fuck over not just the US but also the rest of the world - and you think more dialog is going to help, let alone save us? Would you say the same if the example was about people voting for the NSDAP? The only thing you can tell those fascist enablers is to go fuck themselves.
The man screenshotted doesn’t seem to want to. He’s pathetic and sad, I agree.
I can imagine this happens throughout the USA. All I see are souls to be winned
My father voted trump in 2016, and again in 2020. I have had a “dialogue” going with him about it since 2016. In 2020 my mother moved out. He said that was the worst day of his life. I furthered the dialogue and he put his foot down, not wanting any more political discussions. The day after Election Day he was celebrating the win while listening to the Woodie Guthrie protest music I got him for his birthday. I tried to explain the irony to him, and that was the last time I have spoken to him.
At this point cutting toxic people out of your life is going to be important to try and keep your mental health up.
Well, golly gee, he “let” his independent, grown-ass adult offspring vote for the candidate of their own choosing. I can’t imagine why they’d spurn him after such selfless and generous act.
The vice president elect said people with kids should get more votes. The next step in that slippery slope is to have control of your grown-ass kid’s votes until they know how to “vote properly”.
Seems to me that the kids are almost certainly having thanksgiving, just not inviting their father.
If I was told this by someone in private I would at least be sympathetic, but blasting your children in a public forum is like yelling in walmart. I just can’t view you as any semblance of a good person if you’re publically taking the “eternal victim” stance.
Like, the expected outcome for this rube is that an echo chamber shits on his kids. Gee I wonder why his kids don’t like him, must be mental illness.
The dad’s comment strongly resembles a lot of posts that I’ve seen where people say that their kids won’t talk to them anymore. They always leave out the most relevant information and act like some lesser thing is the actual problem. They may do it intentionally or unintentionally. It may be narcissism. It may be an inability to face reality. It may be that they always minimize their children.
But if you hear from the daughters, it will likely not simply be that he voted for Trump. We’re missing out on entire lifetimes of context. There will be a lot of discussions leading up to that point. There will be a refusal to hear the children out. There will likely be a long history of emotional abuse.
And then, the last straw probably won’t even be his vote for Trump, but some terrible behavior that he exhibited afterwards. These parents then go online and make up some story that lets them be the victim. You can’t say for sure that this is the case, but nowhere in his post does he even try to acknowledge any specific things that his daughters said.
It’s the missing missing reasons
The first viewpoint, “emotion creates reality,” is truth for a great many people. Not a healthy truth, not a truth that promotes good relationships, but a deep, lived truth nonetheless. It’s seductive. It means that whatever you’re feeling is just and right, that you’re never in the wrong unless you feel you’re in the wrong. For people whose self-image is so battered and fragile that they can’t bear anything but validation, often it feels like the only way they can face the world.
Is it just me, or are more people starting to act like this? Or is it just that these last few years they’ve gotten louder?
womp womp
