Coal
The wicked have enough coal
Hell, its making them rich!No! That’s what they want!
An education?
- subscription to Brilliant
- museum card (go with him)
- trip abroad
- night out to stand up comedy
- tickets to an anime convention
To be honest brilliant seemed so cool to me like 7 years ago and I got a subscription and found that I basically learnt nothing from it even though I spent hundreds of hours.
It’s good at making you “feel” like you’re learning but it’s pretty bad at actually teaching things.
A textbook will go so much further.
Is he into music? The retro devices seem to be in right now. I got my nephew one year a Walkman and he’s been buying cassettes. Now he has a VCR and collecting tapes. I loved all that mechanical stuff when I was a kid and I think that feeling transcends generations. He just needs a hobby to spend his thoughts with, politics are not worthy of our time.
The more you try to overtly meddle the more the kid will be convinced of their beliefs, reactionaries thrive off disagreement and arguments.
Get them something normal, perhaps something the connects with nature. Your goal should be to get them to connect with you and the rest of the family, you want them too feel like they are part of the in-group.
Isnt this the same type of thing the church tries to do? “Make em feel part of the in-group” thats pure psychopathic manipulation right there.
How do you contact brain washing without other brain washing?
They’re not going to logic out of a belief that they didn’t logic into.
So ur trying to justifying brainwashing of a child?
U absolutely can logic out of a belief thats essentially what CBT is.
My brother/sister/nonbinary sibling in christ “make your kids feel included in the family” is absolutely not in any way psychopathic manipulation.
In the context of this thread part of the in group would imply a political in group which would be psychopathic manipulation. Ur implication was very simply “make your kids feel included in the family as long as they agree with my ideology”. Do not change the meaning of what u said post saying it. Do not bullshit on my leg and call it a brown kitten.
I’m not the guy you originally replied to. I’m a random third party that read what he said, read what you said, and then commented what I did.
I didn’t read “you want them to feel like part of the in-group” as political. I read it as “you want them to feel like part of the family”
At no point was the qualifier, “as long as they agree with your ideology” included. You invented that yourself.
holocaust documentary with real footage so he can see what the end consequences of that shit is. if seeing hundreds of naked emaciated corpses getting thrown nto huge mass graves with bulldozers doesn’t make him rethink then he’s a fucking psycho.
Don’t need a documentary of an event from 70 years ago Just turn on teevee for new coverage in Gaza. Or search online for more graphic content.
Or things Russia did Ukraine…
Why ways reference to ww2?
Because we’re detached from WWII; the story of what actually happened is largely settled. With current events, you’re going to find all sorts of people defending indefensible acts because they’re still too connected to them.
never again 🤡
I’d recommend some Scott Galloway. He’s an advocate for young men, but he’s not one of those toxic manosphere types. He’s not exactly a leftist, but he’s certainly a liberal by today’s standards.
And if your son is old enough, and a virgin/incel, maybe buy him an evening with female companionship.
A turd.
If you want something that he would enjoy, Mein Kampft.
I mean, I’m sure at this point he has been exposed to most literature and works to not be a fascist, this won’t get fixed with a gift. Maybe try to have a 1 on 1 conversation with him, let him speak an express why he thinks like that, let him go deep, let him talk about his feelings. Fascism always root on untrue information and resent. If he respects you, you can then talk about where he is wrong, confront the lies, but embrace him as a person.
If you want to win your son back, it will take real work, respect, and love. These people get lied to, and they believe because they are full of resent and want an explanation, someone to pin all the problems, an enemy. Uprooting that is hard, but sometimes family and friends can do it. If family and friends deepen those core beliefs, nothing is going to change.
Source: When I was younger, I was that stupid too. Friends made me realize it.
A lot of people recommend anything, outdoors, hiking, camping, dirt bikes etc.
I want to say you have to be careful with those. As you can easily spiral into right wing, conspiracy theorist territory.
Youtube is very good at pushing that kind of content.
Maybe something about food, like cooking classes, or about traveling.
So hiking is fascist now?
No no, it’s not really what I mean. Hiking is great, and everything that has to do with nature.
But I enjoy sometimes watching video about surviving in nature, bushcraft and youtube algorithm started pushing stuff about Paranormal shit, conspiracy things.
It might be true about anything. it’s juste something to keep in mind. Before pushing OP’s son to get a hunting or fishing license.
But clearly disconnecting from social media can help.
If you have to advise about hobbies, boardgaming is nice, rollerblading too.
Survivalist militias are, and guess who already has a history of going too far…
When i was in ny early 20s, i was a Ron Paul guy. When I was in my early 30s, I was a Bernie guy.
So what changed, and what was the same? In my 20s, I didnt have a fundamental understanding of how money really works. Ron Paul was big on the gold standard, which makes sense kn the surface. Crypto is similar where it makes sense on the surface; finite supply means no inflation and no value loss. I somehow also reasoned that not having the gold standard was the cause of inequality, but I honeslty cant understand why, and i cant remember either.
In my 30s, I understood how they money system works mich better. Why we left the gold standard, and how it was holding back progress. I understood how our money is actually backed by muscle, and therefore the national debt doesnt really matter all that much until the day comes when the dollar has no value, because the US is defunct.
Im sure I have much more to learn as I am in my early 40s now.
The point I am trying to make, is that your son probably lacks understanding and wisdom, and is currently easily swayed by surface level logic.
Thisbis really in addition to the other great stuff people have said in here
does he like music? see if theres any old punk shows around or any records/vinyls if he likes that at all. sex pistols, dead kennedys, hell, even green day.
Something that interests him other than fascism. Idk why that has anything to do with a gift. A gift is there to show appreciation and love, not to manipulate their pov.
Yeh, this is a weird question. Kid has to know he’s going to be accepted by his own Dad and still be able to make up their own mind on things. Hopefully when they’ve more fully developed they might sway a different way but acceptance from their Dad shouldn’t really be conditional upon it.
I know, right? You can just get something else he’s interested in. Like OP, maybe the kid likes antiquities, you could get him some from Benito Mussolini’s 12000 piece collection in the Colonial Museum. Or maybe he likes art, you could buy him one of Hitler’s paintings.
Bootstraps
This is my favorite one.
Gen Z men that fall for the machismo of “hustling” just can’t conceptualize the amount of financial difference between them and their idols. Get him something he can work towards making a hobby and hope that you can talk to him about why he thinks the way he does; listen and try to empathize and offer him an alternative solution to what he has forged for himself.
If he’s consuming right wing social media, it might be because he’s bored. Others have suggested left wing media, but maybe just finding other activities to do would help. These cost money, but maybe camping/hiking, hobby electronics/combat robots, dirt bikes/go-karts, RC planes/drones or metal fabrication are ideas that come to my mind. These are hobbies that have either politics neutral or left leaning communities. If he picks up that you’re trying to politically influence him, he’ll likely dig his heal in.
This is great advice, and combine it with talking to him. My son was into Tate, and then Rogan, and a few others throughout his years. He would tell me about something they said and I would tear it down with logic and empathy, and then explain the right mindset from which to view whatever the given subject was. Indoctrination requires isolation, so keep an open dialogue, and an open mind, and talk them down from the ledge.
