*edited post title to make it clear that this is a joke
Bruh. Not EVERY interaction with a cash register or payment portal is meant to include a tip. The bill is for the goods or service for which I am doing business with you company, i.e. the only reason you are getting my money in the first place. The tip is for the individual that performed a service to me beyond simply providing the previously mentioned good or service. And ideally it is for service beyond the bare minimum (but due to shitty minimum wage laws for roles that expect tips making them dependent on them, there still exists an expectation to tip even for mid or bad service). I will happily tip a server, bartender, barista, barber (there are a weird number of service jobs that start with ‘bar’…), or someone that is interacting with customers, providing an experience of service, and will adapt to my shitty needs and requests as a customer, particularly if they are dependent on tips as a portion of their wage. But I am not tipping a cook for making my food in a restaurant. I am not tipping my mechanic for doing an oil change. I am not tipping a cashier for taking my money. I am not tipping MY FUCKING LANDLORD! You are already charging me for the things you are doing. I am not going to voluntarily inflate the price you are charging me for no damn reason. Fuck, sometimes it isn’t even clear who would be getting the tip. I’m surprised they don’t already ask for tips at the grocery store self-checkout. This shit is dumb.
People who make more in daily interest than the worker does from the shift , I don’t think have the moral high ground on tipping.
Guy taking home $250k salary with health care griping about $10 extra. Really.
Sure, income and the economy should be different. The worker can’t pay for housing with idealism.
I think you’re missing the fact that the bosses of the establishment aren’t paying their employees fair wages and thats the only reason the tip is needed. Im not paying 25% for shit service. Tips are a GRATUITY for doing a good job and equate to a BONUS. They are not, nor were they ever, a defacto part of someone’s earnings.
Have you ever worked for tips or been a close friend of someone who did?
You don’t work for tips. You work for a wage. And yes I worked years in the service industry and still have many friends in it.
Your experiences are different. My friends who work for tips tell me they rely on that money. Losing those tips would have an immediate and real adverse impact on their health and safety.
You’re not really grokking what I stated. No one should ever rely on tips. They should rely on a fair wage. Tips are a thank you, a gratuity, and no one owes them to anyone. The rich bastards not paying a living wage and turning this into an “us vs them” discussion are the problem here, as is the mindset of tips being earnings.
Eat the rich, not your clientelle.
No one should rely on tips, but they do. Refusing to tip now just hurts people , real people, immediately. You have to live in the world as it is while trying to improve it.
The bartender can’t eat your idealism nor find shelter from the elements in it.
And with inflation, I can’t afford to tip. If I to go to a bar I budget for it, but these minimum tip barriers preventing me from tipping without breaking the bank lead to me saying no tip if they wont allow me to customize it.
That said I go to a bar once a year now because of the cost. I mostly hit this BS on the rare occasion I need to drive my wife to a doctors appointment and I stop at Starbucks or the closest coffee shop and get a brewed coffee. They take thirty seconds to pour a cup and pass it to me and then expect a 25% tip. Meanwhile their CEO flies his personal jet to work everyday.
I tip at bars because servers are providing an experience. But even then, if i cant get the persons attention for half the night, and they are just on their cellphone talking to the bartender… no tip. I worked in bars. I watch. I reward good service. I wont reward half-assery.
I’ve completely lost my chill with forced tips. If that was take out I would tell them they could keep it.
Jesus Christ that’s cold.
I’ve genuinely seen people tape over the no tip section of the screen on smaller pinpad type devices. Not well enough that I tipped, but they tried.
I would’ve pulled off the tape for spite.
For real why dont they do round up tips? if the total is 18.06, show a tip option of 1.94 and indicate the toal would be 20. Im from a country where tipping isnt done but often people would just give a 20 in cases like this and say keep the change. The change is the tip.
You have typed $1.00 $2.00 $3.00
Did you mean 15% 25% 40%?
I’d just turn around and leave without paying and leave what ever it is I was gonna buy right there at the counter
Well you’ve already been charged so…
The cancel button is top right
Cancel button in this case and leaving WITH what you’ve paid for in your case.
No. The machine asks you for a tip before you pay.
What if we only gave money to the people working in the front and the back of the house, and just don’t give any money to the owner?
Tipping culture is weird and I only ever hear people mention it in the context of hating it. Yet they seem to have the mindset that there are no other options.
Have you talked to a lot of servers about it? I have a few friends who are servers who hate the idea of cutting out tips and just making minimum wage because they would make significantly less money.
As a server, tips for me were huge.
But that’s for a role that’s a bit more involved than fillings gas or pouring coffee. The waiter’s our agent at the restaurant, fighting with (armed!) kitchen staff always on the verge of a breakdown, rejecting shit product and passing along tips for good stuff, etc.
I’m tipping drivers if the toppings aren’t slid to one side. I’m tipping my cabbie. I’m tipping my barber as he does a lot with very little.
But I’m not tipping people where there’s little interaction or judgement for me specifically. My bus driver, the flight attendant, the pilot, the gate agent, the carny operator, the pet food guy, my grocer, my pharmacist. No weasel no grease.
And if it’s forced it’ll be the last. That’s it. I’m still boycotting restaurants because they couldn’t abide by the regional health officers instructions on masking. I can do this.
Having said that, minimum wage is the minimum. Enough of this bullshit where tipped staff makes less base pay.
That’s the tipping I like. When I’m getting served. I want to sit at my table and enjoy the whole experience. I want my water refilled, I was to be asked if I want another drink. I want the courses the flow on and off the table. I want to be able to talk about the dishes. Then I want to tip based on how well it all went.
Obligate tipping for counter service is bullshit.
Crazy thought, really really outside the box lateral thinking type shit, but how about paying them a living wage instead? Seems to work for other industries. I’m not tipping my welder.
I mean, if we’re waving a magic wand, I have a huge list of other improvements for society
Legally mandating a minimum wage is not magic. It can be done, other countries have already done it, and the US is already doing it, in other industries. This is really not as far fetched as you make it out to be.
Exactly. Servers can make bank on tips, especially on holidays.
I don’t think we should ban tips, but we also shouldn’t let restaurants pay servers under minimum wage and there should be something printed on the bill/POS about tips being appreciated but not required. Also, tips shouldn’t be required to be shared, customers should be able to select who gets the tips (waiter, cooking staff, or shared).
Tips were first used as a way for rail lines to avoid having to pay black coach attendants a wage.
It isn’t surprising that service workers don’t want to abolish tips, since that’s primarily how they get paid now - but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t abolish them. The owners should have to pay their workers a living wage. By making that the consumer’s responsibility, it frees the business owner from the responsibility of paying their workers for their labor.
Tip wages are exploitative, plain and simple.
For maybe a month or two, but when the restraints are no longer to hold on to good staff at minimum wage, employers will have to start offering more to get people to work for them.
Yeah – The goal is not to keep servers, etc. working at minimum wage, it’s to eliminate tips in favor of employers paying a livable wage.
I’d rather the menu prices reflect the actual cost of the item, including the service workers’ wages, than have to tack on another n% at the end. And, at least back in the before-times for the like, month, I worked as a server, I would’ve loved to go to work and not worry about “Oh shit, it’s the Sunday church crowd” and resign myself to not making any money that shift.
I like your optimism.
If this became real, it wouldn’t affect me and I’m introverted and near mute in public. I already do this with the “would you like to round up to donate” bullshit. I only have problems saying “no” if it will possibly hurt a person’s feelings; idgaf about the feelings of a business.
idgaf about the feelings of a business.
Fair enough, but you should know that the money you donate by rounding up doesn’t in any way benefit the business. It’s your donation and iirc you could even technically write it off your own taxes (doubt it’s worth the hassle though)
Also the thing about tips is that it will unfortunately hurt peoples feelings because at least in some places they probably earn below minimum wage. It’s absolutely bullshit, but not participating isn’t the perfect solution it might seem
Not strictly true. CVS, a US retailer, announced they would be donating $10 million to a charity and would be supporting the charity via customer round-up prompts as well.
In reality, they were including the customer donations in the $10 million, so anything customers donated saved them money.
It doesn’t really save them money, it just means they can report that number and get a public pat on the back. I highly doubt they were planning on donating that money w/o customer donations, they likely looked at past donations and figured this was a safe number to go for.
Donating through one of those prompts doesn’t help or hurt the company in any meaningful way, other than allowing the company to take credit for your donation (not on taxes, just on public statements).
Where’s the “Only the tip” button?
If I saw this I’m taking a picture, turning around, and filing a chargeback with my bank before I make it to the car
ESPECIALLY if it’s for food, hope it hits your bottom line, assholes
Over the last six months or so, I haven’t tipped once in any establishment whatsoever. I decided it was a cancerous practice and people deserve to be paid what they’re due.
so you just go out and eat without tipping
No, I haven’t been out to eat in over six months.
When we say we’re against tipping people really say “then don’t eat at restaurants” as if that isn’t the best thing we can do for ourselves financially. By not paying restaurant prices I only give myself more money.
I’m Mexico a customer was beaten to death for not paying a tip. WTF, they killed a person for not paying like 5 dollars
Big doubt, got a source? I’m guessing there was more to the story.
It’s me. I decline to tip once, and now I’m deceased.
I’m sorry for your loss.
c/assholedesign
