• GBU_28@lemm.ee
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    17 days ago

    Yep. I’m focused on looking after my community/friends who have targets on their back now.

    Other than that I look to republicans and say “alright, this is all you now. Better be perfect!” They shouted and screeched that their way was best. Their god is in the seat. Time to deliver a “great economy”

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    If you are from the US and you criticized people living under authoritarian regimes for not rioting hard enough, this is your time.

    You still have it easy. You won’t be taken into prison for standing with a piece of blank paper. You won’t be beaten with batons and taken into custody for reciting Constitution. Yet. Go ahead before it gets there, and may you never see a true authoritarian horror.

    Otherwise, all your words are not worth a dime.

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        It will do nothing, and I personally don’t think it should be done. But as a thought experiment it shows that saying other authoritarian countries’ citizens that they just ‘didn’t riot hard enough and this are all to blame’ was a bit wrong

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        If it’s not gonna happen, more fascist measures will be introduced - without people’s hesitation outside Internet comments.

        A solid organized riot does change the course even for most authoritarian governments, even if they happen to suppress it eventually. Politicians should feel that their position is not as solid as they would like.

        But the further people prefer to not intervene, the more entrenched authoritarians become and more draconian measures are implemented. As such, the government is strongly interested in making people think rioting doesn’t help. This is part of many authoritarians’ playbooks.

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      The left couldn’t be bothered to vote but you think they’re going to riot?

      It would have maybe been mobilizing if the election was closer, or if the Dems at least won the popular vote by 5 million again… but this defeat was thorough enough to absolutely crush the morale of anyone who leans even a little bit left. Why should I waste my time and money supporting progressive policies when some people won’t even do the bare minimum to prevent Republicans from establishing a stranglehold on our government and institutions?

      If the accelerationists thought that sitting out and handing the election to Trump was going to mobilize the left I’m afraid they’re going to be disappointed. You say there’s still time, but is there? I used to think the “Trump is a fascist” rhetoric was hyperbole until J6 happened, now the proof is on video. Just engaging with these posts on a leftist site could be getting me onto a McCarthy-style blacklist that would prevent me from getting a job.

      There’s also a chance that the DNC still won’t get the message and we will do it all again in 2026, 2028, and so on. I guess beatings will continue until morale improves.

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        Riots always start with local minority and get more and more people engaged.

        America is not lost, and has plenty of people ready to take it on the streets. They just need a push. And having others around fighting for their future is the kind of push that can wake such people up. It’s way easier to join rather than start.

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        Technically it’s not a full 55% of my countrymen, just 55% of the ones who bothered to vote. I’ll admit that’s not really a meaningful distinction though. Unfortunately, there’s also more of us who want to leave than the rest of the world can reasonably handle. I hope as many marginalized people can get out, because it’s going to be bad, especially for them. But those, like me, who are unlikely to be directly targeted due simply to being lucky enough to be born straight, white, men should probably leave those limited seats for those who truly need to leave.

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          Let me just leave this here:

          First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
               Because I was not a socialist.
          
          Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
               Because I was not a trade unionist.
          
          Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
               Because I was not a Jew.
          
          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
          

          — Martin Niemöller https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_

          I do not mean to accuse you of staying silent, but please remember: no one is safe from fascism once it is there.

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            Absolutely agree. I’m only talking about the fleeing the country part. Those of us who can stay are going to have to put in a lot of work, speaking out against fascism, protecting those who cannot flee, and being generally rebellious against tyranny.

            If anything those of us who happen to not be directly in their crosshairs have a greater responsibility to speak out for the groups that are going to be targeted, because it could quickly get to a point where it’s dangerous for those marginalized people to be as vocal. We cannot leave the most vulnerable to fight alone for their right to exist.

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        Working on it, but for the overwhelming majority of people emigrating is a hell of a lot harder than just showing up in another country and saying “my place sucks, can I come in?”

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        Except minority rights (including, but not limited to LGBTQ+, especially T), healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.

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          Let me clarify my statement: America is over. There is nothing worth getting hurt over. Most people here seem to want what is to come. I’m planning to cut my losses if it starts coming to fruition and move somewhere more progressive.

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            That’s what happens to many authoritarian shitholes: progressives move and evacuate, loyalists remain. That’s how the country gets screwed more and more.

            And US is a pretty high-stakes country, so losing that would be very bad.

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            I will be happy to lay down my life to defend the downtrodden. My 73 year old mom is married to a woman, and I’m terrified of the day they come for her.

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              Eh, lofty words. Your best bet is to move. This isn’t like the old civil war times. Most people want this, apparently.

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        Except minority rights, healthy immigration policy, right to abortion, fair economic policy, environmental policies, and a million other things.

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    17 days ago

    Except those people tied themselves to the track and started the train themselves… Completely voluntarily.

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      Then you’re going to have to learn some double-thing and join the fascists to make yourself feel better. Because Americans tend to hold feelings far more important than facts.

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    I mean you could also take the “don’t buy from US based corporations for 1 year challenge” starting january 1st 2025. Stock up on any corporate goods you need now then buy nothing for a year.

    The pandemic market rallied because of a bailout after consumer spending plummeted. Would be a shame if the same thing happened and suddenly there was no emergency for a bailout to sail under.

    They won’t have time and energy for persecuting people if the economy is broken.

    Record/pirate a bunch of movies/shows then cancel streaming for a year. Buy any electronics now before the tariffs start. Buy surplus canned food etc. Then see how little you can spend the entire year of 2025. Planning on doing tourist stuff inside the US? Don’t. If you work at a big corporation consider deleting an important email and see what happens.

    Lets fuck around.

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    17 days ago

    Why would you waste so many prison slaves?

    Also, why are you all so worried? Surely the cops will protect us! That was the plan after eventually disarming the working class right? Are yall saying that the democratic party was wrong to pursue gun control?

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        Its the DNC’s fault. They ran a masterclass on how to lose to a dementia afflicted fascist clown.

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          its always the democrats fault, a brave take. Harris’ campaign was not good, but Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign. There are far too many comitted nonvoters that are completely offline and don’t watch news.

          The democrats as a party just don’t have the in person networks to reach people. They just send out emails and clock out thinking everyone even has an email account. Job done.

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            Its possible she had no chance even with a perfect campaign.

            I dont think thats a reasonable assumption at all.

            I think you’re just not ready to admit that the campaign had any flaws at all yet.

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              I mean you could read the rest of what I wrote to see thats not the case. I’m reacting to interviews with nonvoters I saw, which are shockingly unaware. Like I don’t think democrats or leftists have any media reach.

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        Me. I have a sense of building survivors guilt as I watch my LGBTQ+ friends panic. I’m offering them support but I am aware that I can personally avoid being targeted and it pisses me off. Why should I get to be relatively okay while my friends suffer an incoming genocide? The thoughts that come from that feel self destructive. Like hurting myself just to prove I had something to lose. In reality the best thing I think I will be able to do is help my friends under all circumstances and go from there. Maybe join my local Socialist organization to assist in a larger assistance for the coming years. Idk man.

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        Thing is that when things are done well everybody basically wins and when done poorly everyone does poorly. just not in equal measure. maybe he would have a pinkie tied to the rail.

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          Issue polls show that everyone wildly approves of progressive policies but they hate progressive people. If you can solve that I’d vote for you for president.

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            Unfortunately I can’t. Im one fo the idiots who votes for more porgressive policies (who might win) vs less and could care less about what someone is like. Don’t get me wrong. obama was so effing amazeballs when it comes to what I would want a president to be if you are not concerned with how they run the country. Educated, well spoken, organic garden in the whitehouse with a michael stipe looking chef making beer and mead. I mean wow. But biden still blows me away with what he accomplished in an incredibly adversarial situation.

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      I’m Canadian, but I think after next year I’ll be on our own track, only with a slightly smaller and less effective train

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          My daughter is queer and has never been in the closet. My mother thinks she’ll be just fine if she just goes into the closet. Not only is that unreasonable and unfair to expect of her, the internet is forever. Since she’s never been in the closet, she doesn’t make a secret of things like her first girlfriend. If they want to hunt queer people like her down, and I think they want to, they will.

          I’m just glad we have a way out. I wish I could take all the other queer people with us. Especially her girlfriend and her close trans friend.

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          You’re posting on here and probably other channels. The NSA, FBI, and anyone else caught up in the wholesale data collection on US citizens has a full profile on you.

          Guess who now has that data?

          Get out if you can.

          If you can’t, go to a blue state and buy guns and ammo. Self-sort. Learn to shoot. Learn bush craft. Quit your vices. Get into shape.

          If you can’t do that, I’m very sorry for your plight. Form communities where you can and try to make some sort of SHTF plan.

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            They’ve collected too much data and trust their algos too much. The data from lemmy isn’t nearly as easy to parse or plentiful as the data from twitter or facebook. Bitching and moaning here isn’t nearly as compromising or attention grabbing as the shit that goes on on the sites run by open fascists.

            Seriously, the next time I meet some of the friends irl, I’m explaining that I wont be talking to them online without encryption involved. I ended up quitting a discord I made because they were copy/pasting their posts that was getting them banned on facebook there. Absolutely no sense of infosec. Those posts had the real names attached and now that’s associated with a discord I set up. Luckily, I was using a foreign email to register it.

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              Yeah encryption is a must in general but also especially going forward. I moved my group to Signal. I don’t like that it’s USA owned and run, so I’m hoping the other projects globally will start to improve interface and functionality wise. Also open to suggestions.

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        They hate their own followers just as much as anybody else. Anybody who thinks the leopards won’t eat their faces is delusional.

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    Might be a lot smaller than a lever, but if you are a republican don’t stand there empty handed. Grab your dick and start jerking that puppy. This is what you always wanted you dumb sick fuck.

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    17 days ago

    Organize. Sabotage. General strike. Protest. Political action isn’t one day every four years.

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      Yup. Robert Reich posted something that ended with “Take a moment to breathe, then let the resistance begin.”

      And like, buddy, I’m sorry to say, if your resistance is only just beginning, then you are resisting the wrong thing and you will be ineffective. You should be fighting the entire empire, not just the unmasked pieces of it.

      The election is your chance to ask for your preferred enemy, but if you don’t get it, your job doesn’t change.

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      I wonder how many fellow lefties work for Xitler’s empire who are planning sabotage ops. As long as the payload wasn’t humans, watching a SpaceX rocket spectacularly fail would put a smile on my face, knowing that silent resistance is in motion

      Turn that bolt just a few degrees to the wrong direction

      Syntax errors? WOMM

      LFG, burn this mother fuckers scam empire to the ground

      We’ll make it to Mars on our terms, once we have a home to return to

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        I had a chance to buy a Tesla. Chose not to. Chose a Volvo instead. All heroes don’t wear capes.

        Hmm. I should buy a cape. Hey Google, remind me to buy a cape.