To the people complaining about US politics overshadowing all other discussions. I too wish US politics were unremarkable.
Peak liberalism.
Imagine thinking that once the loudest symptom of fascism is no longer visible, the decades long multibillion dollar Republican project to undemocratically seize power just goes away. That all the structural issues with America go away.
Big “We want to go back to brunch” energy.
Imagine thinking that once the loudest symptom of fascism is no longer visible, the decades long multibillion dollar Republican project to undemocratically seize power just goes away.
What? You’re telling me that what happened in 1933 with the business plot to overthrow the government and no one of importantance being held accountable allowed fascism to continue to grow. That is… That actually tracks with America. We have a terrible short term memory.
Tbh, my wife and I used to have a monthly brunch with a gay couple-friends once a month and we haven’t done that since like 2019.
I do want to go back to brunch. But that’s besides the point.
i’m doing my part!
You’re a foreign actor, trying to influence the elections. Very bad. Much evil.
I’m Canadian and can’t vote in any American election.
I hear more about Trump than I hear about all of our politicians combined.
I just don’t understand how people can get so excited all the time about this stuff. Like, being so invested in some rich assholes life that you’ll commit treason and break into Congress to wander around aimlessly?
Why are you like this? Make politics boring again.
“Dear
USAconservatives…”This person makes a great point. It’s amazing how vapid and meaningless our common discourse has become. Long has it been since edifying conversation has been the norm.
That’s the real reason not to re-elect Trump, there’s no way he’ll be relevant again. I mean fuck do you think he’d even alive to run in 2028.
Trump is one problem in a world full of problems, but goddamn will it feel good to be rid of him all the same.
I almost can’t remember what the internet was like without seeing his name or face every day. I miss it.
The internet you remember before he came around is dead, never to return. It’s not his doing, it’s the complete and utter corporate takeover of the internet, and the funneling of 95% of the traffic to 4 sites. It’s the algorithmic content presentation, and the curtaining of real friendship content. It’s these platforms refusing to show you what you want, and only showing ads and boosted content, which is essentially an ad. The Internet is dead. Long live the Internet!
Just post more cats. We’ll get it back.
Imagine having peace of mind while your team promotes genocide.
Peak liberal privilege.
This is a warning, quit it with the rage bait.
This is going to step up guys, please state your case and then walk away from these types of things. If it’s this particular user, please report any rage baits. The mod tools are crap. I’ll try and remember as well.
Peak liberal privilege.
Thank you. These people are exhausting.
The last 10 years have been really mask-off for both parties.
Imagine not having peace of mind because must spew nonsense on Lemmy…
It’s not one team. It’s not even both teams. All of America is built on genocide and slavery.
Imagine being privileged enough to know that another Trump term won’t affect you.
Imagine not giving a shit about all the women and queer people that will lose their basic human rights, because you know you are safely insulated behind your wealth, sexuality, gender identity, and/or sex.
Imagine pretending that Trump, who has urged Netanyahu to “Finish the job quickly”, is the less genocidal option in two weeks.
Peak tankie nonsense.
Imagine thinking that Kamala Harris is going to do a thing to claw back the rights of women and queer people or stop murdering Palestinians when she won’t even acknowledge the issues beyond pointing out that roe v wade was overturned because it makes the other side look bad and she only has to have better optics than the other side to get your vote. Nevermind that it happened under her democratic predecessor who also did nothing to stop it while she was vice president.
Imagine thinking a candidate, when their power is no longer at stake, is going to magically stop pandering to conservatives and stop taking progressive votes for granted, when they’re already setting up to blame those same progressives for their campaign strategy; of abandoning their base in both messaging and policy at every possible opportunity and just being generally feckless; failing miserably.
Imagine the polls being this close against donald fucking trump who has a mountain of evidence that you can use against him, clear strategies and talking points to counter message against, a significant number of his own voters having voluntarily defected from him with no further convincing needed, and not having a single moment of introspection on your own party’s initiative or lack thereof to guarantee their victory by throwing a single material bone to their left wing and engaging the working class through positive reinforcement rather than fear campaigns that disillusion voters and depress outcome all the way down the ticket.
Imagine thinking there aren’t any actors seeking to negate any leverage that you have as a class by letting your candidate take your vote for granted instead of being pressured to give you anything more than the hopefully maybe bare minimum to win exactly 51% of the electoral college.
No no lets just blame voters for being irrational actors influenced by “tankie nonsense” and Russian bots that definitely only stoke one side and aren’t just sowing general discord so americans will reject their class interests in favor of culture wars. That’s not a convenient or shallow or played out explanation with any historical analog that suppresses engaging with logic at all, and actually is evidence that can justify only one true reality with definitely only the most genuine and non-trumpian of intentions or obvious conclusions. It’s actually the most rational explanation of real true and objective reality I think.
Oh and if you disagree with me you love Trump and think he should be president again and Palestine should be wiped off the map and I will just say this over and over again in different ways of varying length instead of actually engaging with any of your arguments because for some reason I assume that saying it enough times will mean the argument is settled and I win.
When you find yourself saying words like “the less genocidal option”, you should stop and think what brought you here.
Don’t vote for less genocide. Vote for no genocide. Vote Stein.
There’s more than a couple reasons a lot of westerners don’t really see Gazans as victims, some of them aren’t even racism.
Would be way easier to argue their case if October 7th didn’t go the way it did.
It was just a really bad decision.
I’m personally in favor of cutting ties with Israel as well, considering they’ve strayed so far away from civility and are indeed killing a shitload of people. But I have very little compassion for the people of Gaza, given what they largely want and support. They want to fight and thresh and kill until one side is dead and gone, and we all know which side that will be. Everyone knows, except them.
It was just a really bad decision.
Hamas made that decision, not the Palestinian people. Just like the executive branch is choosing to send over more weapons, not the US people.
Anyone who thinks Trump is the sole problem and that him being out of the news will solve all the problems is clueless.
That was not the claim. Just that Trump news are nasty and Trump is one of the few Republicans who has enough charisma to end up in the news. If he gets voted out, there is a good chance of him never running again and fading away into the background. It means the Republicans need a new leader and whoever that is, is probably going to fail.
If he gets voted out, there is a good chance of him never running again and fading away into the background.
By no means. That’s what people thought in 2020, and look what happened.
Anyone who thought Trump wouldn’t run again completely misunderstands what motivates him. And anyone who thinks Trump will run again also misunderstands what motivates him. Trump’s whole schtick is that he was cheated out of the election, but losing twice in a row sends a pretty clear message, and he’ll lose the support of the party. Also, he’ll be 82, and likely won’t have the same fire he has today.
He’s a complete narcissist, and I don’t think he’ll risk losing three times in a row. The next election, if it happens, would likely be a landslide (who wants to vote for a loser three times in a row?) and a massive hit to his ego. A close election gives him the opportunity to claim the election was rigged, and being able to pull that off twice is probably enough for him to save face.
I know what you’re saying. That the environment that gave us Trump would still exist. Sure. All the issues, both illegitimate (white resentment, racism, propaganda) and legitimate (wealth disparity, disillusioning political figures, late stage capitalistic despair), would still remain.
But that also gives too little importance to Trump’s unique place in this. He is a uniquely cynical, sociopathic trigger that is exploiting this populist anger, while being so incompetent that he fails to solve any of those issues underlying it.
He thus is simultaneously perpetuating those issues, while feeding off of them - both creating and burning the fuel of populist anger. DeSantis, Vance, Hawley, all the other toe-headed power-simps who would step in to take his place would fail to hold that paradoxical balance for long - they think they can learn it, but Trump is built for it. That is Trump’s unique skill, his singularly destructive, delusional, sociopathic egomania.
Like a wildfire - yes, when there are dry hot conditions, many things could start one. But it’s also true that you may have been almost through the dry, hot season when a wildfire hits. And if you could have prevented that first fateful spark a week - maybe a day - longer, you could have avoided catastrophe and tragedy.
I think that’s where we were in 2016, and we failed to contain it. It spread so far, that we were barely able to contain it in 2020. But if we can avoid it in 2024, if we can prevent Trump from sparking another wildfire, maybe the season could change.
But that also gives too little importance to Trump’s unique place in this. He is a uniquely cynical, sociopathic trigger that is exploiting this populist anger, while being so incompetent that he fails to solve any of those issues underlying it.
Nah he’s just a dude. Maybe you should quit swallowing his mystique as well, it empowers the guy.
Yeah, of course he’s just a dude. He’s one of the least worthy dudes out there, for all the attention he’s getting. He didn’t justifiably earn any of that.
But nonetheless, he is a key that happens to be shaped perfectly to unlock, exploit and exacerbate populist anger. It could have been anyone else if the conditions were different, but it is uniquely him in this history. That’s all I’m saying, but it a very important detail.
You are detached from reality if you are unable to see what the OP describes.
It’s not even hard to see at this point, the image has long been set in stark, giant, letters, imprinted on history.
But given his popularity, you are not alone in being detached from reality.
Also, if they think he’ll just fuck off if he loses, they’ve not been paying any fucking attention…
I can’t wait to see what he does when he loses.
Over 5 of the top50 fortune-400 are us-american “healthcare” - companies amassing a combined profit of over 1.5t$ in 2024. Companies that should COST money for a civilized nation, not make a profit for a handful douches. But yeah, you guys are wondefully distracted by the clowns-election that would change nothing in either way, whichever clown gets to be the top-clown.
The internet is owned by the US.
Get over it.
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Don’t care, still voting for albonese.
Ah yes let’s hear about genocide, it’s so much better.
Nobody cares about their election spam. These people are unhinged butchers. The american mind is totally ok with the genocide they commited to the natives in america. The american mind is totally ok with genocide in the middle east. The westoids care more about Trump being bad than actual americans deed. They care about what brand of bullshit they are gonna swallow for the next four years, they dont give a fuck about the people killed by their bombs.
If you think he’ll make genocide anything but worse, you should probably stop huffing spray paint or get your carbon monoxide detectors checked.
How will he make it worse? Biden and Harris are already committed to giving Israel everything they want. What’s Trump going to do? Give them more than what they want?
History isn’t going to look kindly on the people who voted for the lesser genocide. It’s going to look kindly on the people who voted for no genocide.
You are living in an insane fantasy world. You are factually incorrect and under Trump things would be absolutely worse for everyone but billionaires, most definitely including what remains of the Palestinian people.
They don’t hate Trump for what he does. They hate him because he says the quiet part out loud.
The Harris genocide is preferable to the Trump genocide because Harris will express sympathy for all the people being killed while she sends more bombs over. Trump will chortle gleefully while he sends bombs over. See what a difference that makes?
