I’ve seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.
if I remember correctly they were:
- smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
- someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going “but you are from .world”) (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the “puching nazis” theme)
- one more which I can’t remember.
Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?
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World is the biggest instance. I think this is just a case of people seeing problems there more often. I’m not convinced it’s inherently worse than other places.
There’s a “civility” rule that frowns upon accurately identifying given users as belonging to certain groups
I don’t find any issues on .world. Yeah some people say dumb stuff, but that’s just the world isn’t it? I am sure there are others who think the same of me. It’s whatever, some people getting mad at .world are just mad they’re not in an echo chamber.
But other people complaining about trolls are right, there’s just no place for that. Report, block and move on. It’s not your job to educate anyone.
Easy, because it’s often home to some extreme and often bizarre opinions. It often makes Reddit seem civil and intellectual.
In the last month alone, I’ve seen:
- Downvotes for suggesting that if you were to ask Big Tech to split, they’ll probably just split in a way that keeps them aligned, while cutting unprofitable chunks out.
- Downvotes for suggesting that TikTok shouldn’t be banned for being “stupid”, given that most social media is stupid, and people often said that about the shit that many of us grew up with.
- Just endless nonsense about how you cannot print with Windows, like at all, while Linux (never stating a distro) “just works”. It’s clear that so many people in the tech community on lemmy.world haven’t used Windows for years.
- Crap about LLM’s and how providers like OpenAI are “dumb”, despite the fact that many use grounding and expert systems to guide towards correctness (literally what I work on in my job).
- Being so US-centric AND contrarian that you regularly see posts around how “Europe is so much better for this”, when Europe is a fucking continent with separate countries and their own laws/customs.
- Posts about how we can get “normies” to use Lemmy
None of the above would happen on Reddit. They’re all signs of communities that are detached from reality, so much so that on Mastodon there are several posts from people that have called Lemmy (basically meaning the “main” instance) out as being toxic and unfriendly compared to other fediverse offerings.
Thank you for the detailed answer
I disagree with your statement about not seeing this type of behaviour on Reddit and it appearing civil and intellectual comparison.
I used Reddit for around 15 years, and had never seen the above. Sure, it was toxic in other ways, but Lemmy in 2024 is basically 2004 Slashdot - just replace Bush with Trump, and it’s basically the same shit about how Microsoft is evil, anyone that doesn’t use Linux is a moron, and arguing about Star Trek.
Sure, it was toxic in other ways, but Lemmy in 2024 is basically 2004 Slashdot - just replace Bush with Trump
Lmao I was there, can confirm
The bickering about software platforms is unchanged and people will jump down your throat for voicing an independent thought.
I remember liberals getting just as mad for naysaying Kerry as they do Biden now.
Based, as the youngsters says.
I don’t hate LW, I even regularly post to a few LW communities. The sysadmins do a good job. There are a few debatable moderation decisions, but those are usually documented on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
The main issues I have with it is
- centralization of communities coupled with the current federation implementation creating 7-days delay for instance like aussie.zone (see !fedimemes@feddit.uk for a meme and discussion on that topic)
- their communities being the default means they can take controversial decisions and impact a topic for everyone until an alternative community emerges. See all the debates with the Media Bias Fact Checker bot, which in the end got removed from !world@lemmy.world (!globalnews@lemmy.zip for an alternative) but apparently it still on !politics@lemmy.world
- another consequence of centralization is impact of their being unavailable. People here might remember August 2023 when LW was under consistent DDoS attack, it was barely usable. This prevented a third of Lemmy total users to use Lemmy. Should they face a similar issue in the future, most of the Lemmy communities would be unusable.
Another point I haven’t seen mentioned is that they are still federated with Threads: https://fedipact.veganism.social/
They are the last large instance which still is.
It’s the most toxic instance I’ve ventured into (and admittedly have this account on). People spread lies and vitriol here about as much as Twitter and Reddit.
What lies are said about Twitter?
Not “about Twitter” but “about as much as Twitter”
Yeah that makes more sense when I re-read it. I was tired, I know there is basically subs mocking the abuses on Reddit, but didn’t know of one for Twitter, so I figured I’d ask. Elon is on to many posts for sure, so they could have just meant any technology sub being used to talk about his crazy.
Removed by mod
Reddit pereon here. After over a year (I think, didn’t check) on Lemmy I still don’t understand the details about how works. I’m pretty busy, and it works to get me my news and such, so it wasn’t important to understand how it does so.
But now I’m inspired, thanks for that. I will look into changing servers, finding something that better fits my interests and such. I may even perhaps learn something in the process. Keeping the network decentralized is important, and I can do my part.
You can easily export and import your subscriptions from the settings menu, so that makes changing instances quite easy
It’s a shame that there isn’t functionality for a full account port, including comments and posts.
That can easily be abused to overload instances with a lot of content. It’s also technically challenging due to the way comments are posts are linked
Mastodon does not offer it either:
Mastodon currently does not support importing posts or media due to technical limitations https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/
You can link to your former profile from your bio
You can just create another account in another instance and run them side by side in a singular app. Switching back and forth is simple. I have a couple, reasons can vary, one would be that .world decided to take pirating communities off, to protect themselves. Whether they needed to or not, doesn’t matter, it’s their choice. I just hop to another instance to see those, but most of the content will be the same for me across instances because I haven’t hunted to much for new subs. Probably should eventually.
It’s for porn, isn’t it?
What’s wrong with punching nazis?
It doesn’t do as much damage as biting them
Was expecting this comment, I used to be a pacifist, after asking why people would* punch nazis in asklemmy, I read a few books they reccomended and I changed my mind.
tldr: nothing.
edit: * if it is morally correct
That’s a pretty big fucking asterisk. That makes all the difference in the world.
Not a god damned thing!
It doesn’t happen enough?
I miss Kbin.social
Come on over to fedia.io. It’s like kbin.social but works.
I’m on fedia.io, but I still miss kbin.social. :/
I miss myspace. But then I started thinking about it. If MySpace came back, 100% exactly as it was in 2006, I don’t think I could use it. Too many privacy concerns in the modern day.
So I DO miss MySpace, but I guess I also miss the innocence of 2006’s lack of privacy concerns too.
I hate to admit it, but I don’t. Even before it entered the purgatory it’s stuck in at the moment, there was a severe spam and bot problem in the largely abandoned local magazines.
If it came back now, something would have to be done about that, and though I have been previously, I’m not up for volunteering to do it.
The only real loss here is the (lack of) continued development of the Kbin software. Mbin might be a descendent, even the heir apparent, but it’s not the original.
mbin: 👁️👄👁️
It’s a battle of political ideologies.
ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
.world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That’s one of your answer.
Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: “we are being culturally replaced through mass migration”.
Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.
I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.
Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.
It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style ‘I’m just asking questions in good faith’ which are obviously not in good faith if you’re older than maybe 10.
I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.
I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China’s social media site that boiled down to ‘Deng Xiaoping’s reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks’, and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.
Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.
Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.
That’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I don’t know how someone can support resistance by any means for Palestinians but seriously suggest Ukrainians are nazis for resisting an imperialist invasion.
PS: there’s at least 2 anarchist instances on Lemmy 😉
Slightly off topic, is db0 one of the anarchist instances you’re referring to? I know it’s a generally leftist instance, but don’t know much more detail than that
Yes, that’s my instance :) it’s run by anarchists and has an anarchist CoC and general vibe. slrpnk is the second.
I’m such a dunce, I didn’t spot your username 🤦
Thought I was asking a db0 random, not the NaN himself
I like db0 because it reminds of how cool the ‘you wouldn’t download a car’ commercials made piracy look. They were right, it is cool.
Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin
That’s an instaban from hb, grad, and .ml, did you report that post?
Anarchists aren’t allowed to report queerphobia on Hexbear. Because Hexbear keeps banning anarchists.
This is false. Anti-AES anarchists are banned, because sectarianism is banned.
Drag has no problem with the Advanced Encryption Standard, which is the first Google result for AES.
Already existing communism
Oh, well drag isn’t one of those! Drag thinks communism has existed for 60,000 years in Australia, and a long time in many other places too. It’s a shame Russia and China were corrupted by the siren song of state capitalism before they managed to implement the Australian model. If only they’d been more like Catalonia.
Better to die a communist than to engage in trade relations with Nazi Germany during the holocaust.
Actually Existing Socialism, “Communism” as a stage in development hasn’t been achieved by any AES state yet.
One of the admins, Nakoichi, is an anarchist. But please point me at the queerphobia, I’m not banned from hb, I’ll report it, I have faith they’ll do something about it.
No, I was already banned from a bunch of communities for discussing the aforementioned things and I just blocked the instances … 6 months ago I think?
I’ve seen bans there for Calling out horseshoe theory. As if it’s a slur
Please show any sources for this garbage, these are all bannable offenses on Grad, Hexbear, and .ml.
Oh people have tried I’m sure. They are banned now.:-)
Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.
If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
The culture where these sorts of blatant lies are accepted without question is my biggest problem with .world. You can have whatever actual beliefs you want, but lying like this is really despicable.
Agreed. The “Eat Ass” vs the “No Eat Ass” culture war is getting out of hand.
I’m not against eating ass, but it depends who’s ass it is.
First off, I’m only eating female ass. Secondly, she’s gotta be above 25 years old…and even that’s kinda young. Thirdly, she’s gotta shower well. I want that butthole to be CLEAN! And lastly, I gotta love her. I’m not just gonna go out on a first date at The Olive Garden, and then go home to her place and start eating ass! Hey, how’dya do? MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH!!! No, I have to have a connection to her.
So I’m not “No Eat Ass”, but I’m not 100% pro “Eat Ass” either. But I guess you guys would just call me a centrist, and I’d get attacked from both sides for not being far enough on their side.
I first ate my partner’s ass after dancing at a rave for hours, at 2AM, on copious amounts of MDMA, no shower.
I’m undoubtedly Team Eat Ass.
Brother (I assume you’re a male, but it doesn’t matter either way,) you do you. If it’s consensual with an adult, like you state, it’s all good.
I, on the other hand, am not going to put my mouth where literal shit excretes. Even if it’s had 3 enemas through it. But I will linger elsewhere. All the best.
I mean…which flavor are the enemas?
Cucumber mango. Which is disgusting.
Look at what this country has come to!
I’ve yet to see anyone in .world ban someone simply for having a political affiliation. The tankie communities flat-out ban for being “liberal.”
Granted, it’s been a while since I e seen this happen, the admins/mods there do not hide their bias.
I have had way more issues with .ml communities than .world
ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.
.world is the one that “preemptively defederated HB and grad, as a last resort” due to such scary views as opposing NATO and the IMF.
Go visit hexbear.net/PPB (nsfw) for a good reason why one might want to defederate from them.
Fuck off tankie
@meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
§meanwhileongrad@sh.itjust.works
There are sophisticated and nuanced critiques to be made of Western power projection, soft and hard. “Nuanced” and “sophisticated” are not words appropriate to the average hexbear or lemmygrad denizen’s take on geopolitics, and for those of us who live in the real world rather than living to argue over how many Maos can dance on the tip of the icepick that killed Trotsky, the loud and unrelenting naysaying of anything less extreme than “armed proletarian revolution now!” got to be incredibly tiresome, not to mention the constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don’t have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.
The constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don’t have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.
This is my main issue with tankies. Yeah, late-stage capitalism sucks and exploits the layman to enrich the rich further—I take no issue with that. It’s the knob-slobbering of Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un that makes no sense. Modern-day Russia, China, and North Korea have about as much in common with communism as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.
as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.
Drag thinks oat milk is milk. Drag isn’t convinced that cow’s milk is real milk, though. Milk comes from a plant, drag isn’t sure something from an animal’s boob counts. Chemically it’s too different from milk to call it the same thing.
So, Drag thinks countries that act as though their neighbors are part of a greater whole ruled by them as the motherland, and have political structures where the governing body consists of a small cohort (and not the proletariat) are communist?
That’s imperialism, buddy.
Let me know when: 1) China stops trying to exert absolute control over Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong; 2) North Korea accepts that their ownership ends where their globally-recognized territory ends; 3) Russia stops invading neighboring countries; and 4) All three of them abolish the ruling class and give the power to the people.
I think practicality is the only important thing here, if something looks and tastes like milk, and can be used as milk in 98% of cases, it’s fine to call it a type of milk.
Certainly if we’re gonna call peanut butter peanut butter just because it spreads like butter, despite having no other similarity, there’s no reason to split hairs over things that are interchangeable with milk.
ML
wasis basicallydesignedmoderated to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.FTFY (though, I’m mostly being sarcastic here - like most things, moderation there is a mixed bag from community to community).
Everyone has. That place is a toxic shithole.
I mean… a toxic shithole? Really??
I think of it as more of a cancerous shithole.
A toxic, cancerous shithole of vapid pissfarts incessantly salivating on themselves while climbing over one another to be top edgelord in a community that will eternally fail to produce either edge, or lords.
I haven’t.
give it more than 14 days.
A month so far. I mean, I’m pretty sure I probably said stuff that was ignorant of actual facts that showed up on other instances and could’ve been dv’d by, it argued over with them, it’s hard to say since my original instance went down and I generally try not to hold grudges, but as long as I’ve been consciously aware, I don’t recall any unpleasantness. But then I’m not going on their instances acting like I know everything just because I read it from a Western or US-centric source. All governments BS their citizens and we never really know to what extents, since Massage, Snowden, Manning and a bunch of other whistle-blowers were heavily persecuted and prosecuted.
I have been corrected, with credible sources from Western-centric media and had my thinking challenged, but it wasn’t disrespectfully, as far as I was aware. They’re alright, I’ve had non -confrontational posts rm’d and been flamed for no good reason by mods and regulars on the biggest instance. Every other instance seems pretty decent, but that’s my own experience.
Extremism :- (
I hope people point out that they and the fascists both agree on Great Replacement theory lol
“Nazis” flooding lemmy to replace the poor tankies (c. 2023):
Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?
You betcha buddy. Joking. For myself, at least.
Idk what’s going on with Flying Squid, but a lot of the trolls accounts I see are from .world so people are probably starting to associate that instance with those kinds of people.
I don’t think FlyingSquid is a troll; I just think they tend to be argumentative and opinionated (I can be those things as well, so I’m not really judging when I say so).
The Troll thing I mentioned was more regarding the hate for .world accounts. I’m a little skeptical of some, especially the newer ones.
I’ve seen some of Flying Squids’ comments, but its not like I’ve been following them closely. I don’t think they’re saying anything wrong, based on what I’ve seen. I wouldn’t begrudge someone for being passionate. That just shows me they care.
People on reddit used to think I was lying about stuff I did in my youth, because nobody would do those things today. I absolutely did them. I wasn’t on drugs, most of the time, I’m just a weird person who stopped giving a FUUUUUUUCK about people in kindergarten when I gave Tim Caldwell a teenage mutant ninja turtles fruit pie…and he FUCKING THREW IT ON THE GROUND!!! I’m sorry, you do NOT throw a 1980s green ooze TMNT hostess fruit pie ON THE FUCKING GROUND when a fat kid gives you one! You treasure that shit, that he thought highly enough of you to give you one! It was at that moment I realized that other people do no matter. I’m the greatest human being alive, and I no longer need to worry about other people or the consequences of my actions.
So I threw my pants down, threw him to the ground, and sat on his face. Nothing sexual. I was 5. So was he. I was just humiliating him on the school yard, by shoving my butt in his face.
But on reddit, they would say things like “Pics or it didn’t happen!”. And I would reply “Let me get this straight…you want me to send you pictures of my bare ass when I was 5 years old? Even if those pictures existed, sending them, or even having them in my OWN possesion would be highly illegal!”
They didn’t think that through. But I’m not a troll. I’m just an idiot.
Was the lonely island skit based on your life story? 😜
Based purely on this comment alone. You seem to have the most fitting username I’ve ever seen. That was wild read lol. Thanks for the laugh.
Is it concerning that me reading your comment didn’t narrow it down WHICH comment you were replying to AT ALL for me? 100% of the time I need to click the context button to know whatevery anyone is talking about. My comments range from the politically divisive, to the absurdist satire, to stories of days gone by…and any story involving me is already going to be weird.
Drag likes you and likes weird.
Their usually fine but the smallest things set them off. Usually not an issue unless you’re unlucky enough to be where they mod.
My favorite is still how they’ll ban people for TOS but leave the comment(s) then not understand why that could be bad
He is also very heavy handed. The entire admin team is (not necessarily a bad thing). I was banned from a community for reporting a comment that insulted me directly because they didn’t like a joke I made. The joke was a harmless word pun, the comment I reported called me an idiot. But I was the one banned. Resource? None, calling the mod chat to argue a community ban is discouraged and also an offense. My account could be banned just for pointing it out in this comment. But that’s just the way things are here. I had to block FS because he tended to argue in bad faith with me whenever I happened to comment in the same post as him.
He got angry when I corrected something; he saw it as a personal slight. Odd to me but so be it.
Flying Squid isn’t technically an admin. He just seems like he is because he mods too many communities.
Oh yeh i got a lifetime ban and he banned another user for the same thing but 2 days.
LyingSquid is the most biased unqualified person to be in a position of power. And he rages so often in the comments, you can tell he stews over shit to target people later.
Yup, and I would gladly say for Israelis to get fucked again.
Now go do a Zionist doing the same shit to Palestinians and see how lenient Squid is to them.
!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com is there for you.
That stache though…
Some of the dumbest and most aggressive comments I’ve seen on Lemmy came from lemmy.world. Most comments on it seem OK, but it does have a reddit-like flavour with a good number of unpleasant users.
I am really somewhat surprised to hear that honestly. After Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, the worst extremes I see by far come from lemmy.ml. Sort of a “when I see trolling this bad, then >90% of the time it is lemmy.ml”.
After that, yeah, lemmy.world has the largest absolute number of trolls on the Fediverse - you kinda expect some from any large instance, and they are definitely the largest by a wide margin! According to https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, they have >5-fold active users than anyone else. I presume that’s monthly. The next largest instance, is lemmynsfw.com, followed by Lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ml, etc. but each of those with 2-3k users compared to lemmy.world’s 17.2k. So the latter is bigger than many others (if not quite all of them) combined.
Trolls from lemmy.world I block individually, but lemmy.ml got so frustrating for me that I blocked the entire instance. I do not regret that in the slightest. It was that or quit Lemmy altogether. Lemmy.world though seems… “manageable”, i.e. not every person from it is worthwhile to talk to, but enough are that it’s worth blocking only the trolls while keeping the rest, imho.
Many of the .ml and Hexbear trolls have .world accounts as well
Yup. And if instances started defederating from lemmy.ml but not from lemmy.world, then even more accounts on the latter would be created as well. They - as they have continuously stated, publicly - really have zero interest in leaving people alone who simply don’t want to hear their shit.
Though the ones with Lemmy.world accounts cannot read posts on hexbear.net directly, so that’s a bit of a barrier.
hits you in the head with a steel chair like in pro-wrestling
C’mon. Lemmy.World users aren’t aggressive!!! That’s a misconception!
throws salt in your eyes
In fairness, you in particular have lost your mind! (And I for one am glad to not be the only one!:-)
Imo the best mods/admins are the ones I don’t have to interact with and oh boy did I interact with the admins of .world
Nice way to phrase it 😄
Here’s a clue : try posting something in support of Jews or Israel on either .ml or .world, and you’ll see the two user bases are exactly the same type of antisemitic tankie trash, no discernible difference whatever
I mean people usually don’t like when you support Nazis. That doesn’t have anything to do with being a tankie.
Israel stands against Jewish values and Jewish identity. Supporting Jews means opposing Israel.
By supporting Israel, you are not supporting Jews. Israel, being a settler colonial ethnostate whose national project requires the conquest and ethnic cleansing of territory, cannot be a safe place for Jewish people.
Associating Jewish people with the genocidal actions of Israel is antisemitic as fuck.
