I’ve seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.

if I remember correctly they were:

  • smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
  • someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going “but you are from .world”) (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the “puching nazis” theme)
  • one more which I can’t remember.

Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

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    World is the biggest instance. I think this is just a case of people seeing problems there more often. I’m not convinced it’s inherently worse than other places.

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    Imo the best mods/admins are the ones I don’t have to interact with and oh boy did I interact with the admins of .world

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    Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

    You betcha buddy. Joking. For myself, at least.

    Idk what’s going on with Flying Squid, but a lot of the trolls accounts I see are from .world so people are probably starting to associate that instance with those kinds of people.

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      I don’t think FlyingSquid is a troll; I just think they tend to be argumentative and opinionated (I can be those things as well, so I’m not really judging when I say so).

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        The Troll thing I mentioned was more regarding the hate for .world accounts. I’m a little skeptical of some, especially the newer ones.

        I’ve seen some of Flying Squids’ comments, but its not like I’ve been following them closely. I don’t think they’re saying anything wrong, based on what I’ve seen. I wouldn’t begrudge someone for being passionate. That just shows me they care.

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          People on reddit used to think I was lying about stuff I did in my youth, because nobody would do those things today. I absolutely did them. I wasn’t on drugs, most of the time, I’m just a weird person who stopped giving a FUUUUUUUCK about people in kindergarten when I gave Tim Caldwell a teenage mutant ninja turtles fruit pie…and he FUCKING THREW IT ON THE GROUND!!! I’m sorry, you do NOT throw a 1980s green ooze TMNT hostess fruit pie ON THE FUCKING GROUND when a fat kid gives you one! You treasure that shit, that he thought highly enough of you to give you one! It was at that moment I realized that other people do no matter. I’m the greatest human being alive, and I no longer need to worry about other people or the consequences of my actions.

          So I threw my pants down, threw him to the ground, and sat on his face. Nothing sexual. I was 5. So was he. I was just humiliating him on the school yard, by shoving my butt in his face.

          But on reddit, they would say things like “Pics or it didn’t happen!”. And I would reply “Let me get this straight…you want me to send you pictures of my bare ass when I was 5 years old? Even if those pictures existed, sending them, or even having them in my OWN possesion would be highly illegal!”

          They didn’t think that through. But I’m not a troll. I’m just an idiot.

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            Based purely on this comment alone. You seem to have the most fitting username I’ve ever seen. That was wild read lol. Thanks for the laugh.

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              Is it concerning that me reading your comment didn’t narrow it down WHICH comment you were replying to AT ALL for me? 100% of the time I need to click the context button to know whatevery anyone is talking about. My comments range from the politically divisive, to the absurdist satire, to stories of days gone by…and any story involving me is already going to be weird.

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        Their usually fine but the smallest things set them off. Usually not an issue unless you’re unlucky enough to be where they mod.

        My favorite is still how they’ll ban people for TOS but leave the comment(s) then not understand why that could be bad

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        He is also very heavy handed. The entire admin team is (not necessarily a bad thing). I was banned from a community for reporting a comment that insulted me directly because they didn’t like a joke I made. The joke was a harmless word pun, the comment I reported called me an idiot. But I was the one banned. Resource? None, calling the mod chat to argue a community ban is discouraged and also an offense. My account could be banned just for pointing it out in this comment. But that’s just the way things are here. I had to block FS because he tended to argue in bad faith with me whenever I happened to comment in the same post as him.

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    Lemmy.world users generally hold ridiculous, unrealistic leftist positions and do not have any concept of people who might have any other more moderate left positions

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    Also, just thinking about it, but OP, you are posting this on a LW community, while people really disliking LW probably blocked the instance. You could maybe crosspost to !asklemmy@lemmy.ml to get additional answers

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    .world runs into issues because it’s overwhelmingly liberal and the mods are anti-Marxist on a platform built by Communists and dominated by leftists in general. They also defederated from the major Marxist instances. Lemmy.world is largely a replication of Reddit as well, so people leaving Reddit also don’t necessarily want that either.

    It’s also by far the largest instance, not necessarily in a good way. It tends to dominate the fediverse and thus their mods and admins have an outsized voice, even if federation helps combat that issue.

    Plenty of people like Lemmy.world, you’ll get different answers if you asked on another community like Lemmy.ml’s AskLemmy.

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      Plenty of people like Lemmy.world

      It’s one of the easiest instances to join, thanks in no small part to the focus on growth over doctrinaire censorship. Consequently, a lot of people who don’t like .world end up joining it just to get access to the other more tightly administered communities.

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      Communists? Really? There is quite a gap between being leftist (which in itself is a term that generalizes multiple ideological position and political views. Look to my home country Denmark and see how many left leaning parties exists. None of them are Communists btw). Sorry if this comes off as arrogant, but are you from the US? I ask because I often see US citizen use this overgeneralization and seem lack knowledge on the difference between e.g. socialism and communism.

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        I’m a Marxist-Leninist, I’ve read over 2 dozen books on Marxism, you can check my comment history if you want. The lead developers of Lemmy are Communists.

        Also, the Nordics are Social Democracies, not Socialist.

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          Sorry for the confusion regarding socialist and social democracies. Will have to look more into the difference between the two. Thanks for clearing that up.

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            No worries!

            Essentially, Social Democracy is a Capitalist system with larger social safety nets, usually as a concession to prevent revolution. Marxist criticism of Social Democracy is that the Nordics, for example, fund their safety nets via brutal exploitation of the global south, and see sliding worker protections and eroding safety nets, because the bourgeoisie is still in control.

            Socialism is, generally, a transitional state to Communism. Socialism is categorized by public ownership and central planning of industry as the primary mechanism of the economy (in Marxist terms, there are other forms of socialized production that aren’t marxist, like cooperatives). Examples of Actually Existing Socialist (AES) states include the PRC, USSR (pre-dissolution, obviously), Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, etc.

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        Look to my home country Denmark and see how many left leaning parties exists. None of them are Communists btw

        Western bloc countries purged their governments of explicitly communist parties back in the 50s and 60s, during the hottest years of the Cold War. The parties that formed in their wake had many of the same ideological inclinations operating under different monikers. So you’ve got Red–Green Alliance and more left-leaning voices in the Social Democrats talking about public housing and land reform and a worker-lead democracy, just like explicit Communists in Cuba and Vietnam and South Africa and Korea and India were seventy years ago.

        Similarly, “conservative” parties organized under UKIP, National Front, FDL, or the AfD espousing all the same racist, ultra-nationalist, imperial expansionist views common to 1930s European fascists. None of this shit is new in the material sense. It’s just fresh paint on the old frame.

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      you’ll get different answers if you asked on another community like Lemmy.ml’s AskLemmy.

      I suggested OP to do so yesterday, they did then removed their post, not sure why

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      They also defederated from the major Marxist instances.

      From what I recall the issue was that users from those instances acted like weapons grade cunts and it was just easier to defederate from them rather than the admins and mods have to deal with all the issues that came with them. They didn’t block them simply because they’re Marxist instances.

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        They defederated from Hexbear “as a last resort-” before ever federating with Hexbear.

        In the Lemmygrad defederation thread, there’s unsupported claims of hate speech and calls to violence, which we have to fill in the blanks - the mods are anti-Marxist and anti-revolution, so any Marxist instance is going to fail that test.

        The Hexbear defederation thread is somehow worse when they list why instead of leaving it to the imagination. Read some of the top comments, it’s clear that it was anti-Socialist in motive. Real spooky scary zingers listed as evidence in the post like “The West’s role in the world, through organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank - among many others - are deeply harmful to the billions of people living both inside and outside of their imperial core.” This statement is 100% obvious to anyone not stanning the US Empire.

        Another example listed is “These organizations constitute the modern imperial order, with the United States at its heart - we are not fooled by the term “rules-based international order.” It is in the Left’s interest for these organizations to be demolished. When and how this will occur, and what precisely comes after, is the cause of great debate and discussion on this site, but it is necessary for a better world.” Yet again, they are defederated for being Marxists, and therefore being revolutionary. This is just because they are authentically Marxist, not because posters were mean.

        The mods of Lemmy.world are Liberals. Not just any liberals, but “true believers.” Marxism is dangerous to them and so they shut it out, they spelled it out plainly.

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    Here’s a clue : try posting something in support of Jews or Israel on either .ml or .world, and you’ll see the two user bases are exactly the same type of antisemitic tankie trash, no discernible difference whatever

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      I mean people usually don’t like when you support Nazis. That doesn’t have anything to do with being a tankie.

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      By supporting Israel, you are not supporting Jews. Israel, being a settler colonial ethnostate whose national project requires the conquest and ethnic cleansing of territory, cannot be a safe place for Jewish people.

      Associating Jewish people with the genocidal actions of Israel is antisemitic as fuck.

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    I don’t find any issues on .world. Yeah some people say dumb stuff, but that’s just the world isn’t it? I am sure there are others who think the same of me. It’s whatever, some people getting mad at .world are just mad they’re not in an echo chamber.

    But other people complaining about trolls are right, there’s just no place for that. Report, block and move on. It’s not your job to educate anyone.

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    I usually beef with sh.it.just.works users because by far I’ve met the most wrong takes there, especially in WPT, and it’s quite funny considering the instance name conveys a sort of desperation in not being able to get Lemmy to work, which just makes it seem like it’s an instance for the less intellectualy gifted of us, but it’s all in good fun really. Some communities there are also quite nice.

    I’m pretty aligned with hexbears/MLs but their Russia simping is too much, whether it’s critical support or trying to get a reaction out of folks to post the pig it just feels like a nazi bar type situation.

    Ironically db0 and slrpnk feel far more legit to me as an anarchist though neither are explicitly anarchist or based around being leftist in any other way.

    Blahaj.zone banned me for transphobia on my first post I think. Or one of the communities did. No idea what I said there but I totally get them not messing around with bans.

    World is just the largest instance, so naturally has the most trolls, spam, dodgy mods with weird rules and so on and so forth.

    That’s the beauty of the fediverse though, if they ever became a real problem for me I’d just block em all. I kind of love this instance culture. Makes the place feel more human than the cold masto bullshit.

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      hello fellow millenial-feels anarchist, what’s WPT?

      personally i only beef with hexbear. justworks seems about the same as world

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        Justworks has some dedicated anti-leftism communities. Essentially folks dedicated to having a problem with Lemmy existing as long as it is made and maintained by communists.

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            MeanwhileOnGrad is a ‘just making lists’ community. The quality and credibility is closer to ToiletPaperUSA for the most part since they had users misrepresenting interactions for a while. Dunno if that’s still the case but it has been back with a vengeance the last month or so.

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              Shitting on tankies is pro leftism though. Tankies are not leftists, they are fascists with a bad paint job. Enumerating how their ideals diverge from modern leftist philosophy is both common sense and good praxis.

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                I’ve yet to see someone actually mean anything other than “Marxist” when they describe what a tankie is, it’s similar to the word “woke.” It’s nebulous and ill-defined, so now it just means “Marxist,” and thus is a left-punching term.

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                  Hello,

                  This might not be the best place of all, but what do you think about this example of instance-level banning for pointing out removal of comments critical to the CCP?

                  https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

                  It’s mostly that behavior I have in mind when I think about “tankies”

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                It might be if there was much effort to establish any tankie ideal beyond a user being registered on .ml. It’s a lot of ‘so you hate waffles’ level of reaction and discourse unfortunately.

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        Hey there! WPT is WhitePeopleTwitter. Yeah you’re right it’s not too different from world really. I think my experience is just more happenstance haha

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      My wrong take of sh.it.just.works’s name is that it’s for people who neither care nor know how the fediverse works or what it even is - people who just want to consume and occasionally randomly interact.

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    The instance structure conveniently groups people together and labels them. Stereotyping, bias and tribalism are the natural result.

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    My biggest problem with .world is that people will just make up whatever they want about the out-group and everyone just believes it without question and with no interest in examining the evidence. It’s a toxic element of the site’s culture that encourages circle-jerking and the automatic dismissal of opposing viewpoints while making intelligent and informed discussion impossible.

    The moderation is also pretty heavy-handed with censorship and things get removed for “misinformation” pretty frequently just because the mods disagree with it. You don’t have to go very far back in the modlog right now to find removed posts from Cowbee and Alcoholicorn, despite both backing up their arguments with published books from respectable authors. It’s best to avoid engaging with the mods at all, I got banned from World News because a mod couldn’t defend their position so they just banned me. There’s a pretty clear bias towards NATO and the US.

    But like I said my main issue is the first point, and I’ll stop judging .worlders when I start to see people actually ask for evidence when someone says, “I saw a bunch of tankies eating kittens” instead of just blindly accepting it as fact because it’s about an out-group.

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      You literally just made up a strawman argument, which you then immediately cited as “evidence”?

      Mods are busy. If this is what you tend to do, I don’t blame them one bit for not wanting to volunteer their unpaid time to deal with it - for the same reason I now understand better why some women would prefer the bear.

      Now, please downvote me, you know you want to… just this once, I want you to know what it’s like to do something with the recipient’s consent.

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        for the same reason I now understand better why some women would prefer the bear.

        Now, please downvote me, you know you want to… just this once, I want you to know what it’s like to do something with the recipient’s consent.

        Lmao wtf are you talking about? Am I violating someone’s consent by holding beliefs they disagree with? Completely unhinged.

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      out-group

      Can it be an out-group and also have totalitarian control of the platform structure?

      These people made Lemmy. Sorry if their numbers are lower than average. I guess next time around they can make a no libruls allowid sign or something so the other 98% of humans know not to ruin their great fun.

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        totalitarian control

        Lmao y’all are wild. Why are you on a platform where people you don’t like have, “totalitarian control” over the structure? Is it, perhaps, because they used this “totalitarian control” to create a structure that was decentralized and allowed communities to form that operated on different rules and different views? Doesn’t sound very totalitarian if you ask me.

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          Where’s that Parenti quote? Oh, found it! Evergreen quote:

          "During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.

          If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum."

          -Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds

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    A lot of this boils down to consequences of lemmy.world being the largest instance: typical Reddit users beeline for it, trolls go there, larger comms so more frequent issues with moderation, people who fail to distinguish between “we shouldn’t concentrate our activity into the largest instance” and “largest instance bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!”, so goes on.

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      EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!

      Giving me fucking flashbacks

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      Back when I read it was just starting to fall as shit, I had already been dipping my toes in the mastodon water, and while I really liked the instance I was on it did not have enough people on it to properly surface good collections of off node traffic.

      Knowing that Mastodon had the problem, I didn’t dick around with smaller nodes. To be honest it’s still a fight if you’re on a node with only a handful of people, you have to do something to mitigate the lack of community traffic in the face of lacking discoverability.

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        People are doing that here though - e.g. the user Blaze made accounts on basically every instance, and subscribed to every community. This gets around the limitation where at least one user of an instance must subscribe to a community before it will even so much as show up for others to also subscribe. Really the developers should have made better automation so that this was not necessary, but… anyway it works, for now:-).

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          (If true) that’s actually really terrible for federation performance, particularly because lemmy doesn’t do batch synchronization. So basically every comment, post, like, and community is being sent to all Lemmy servers as individual sequential requests. That’s a lot to handle.

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            Supposedly that will change with v0.19.6 (A recent discussion about that here: https://feddit.org/post/3524876), but yeah it’s causing smaller instances such as Aussie.Zone to have delays of over 7 days.

            I also expressed disbelief that this info would not be bundled somehow - at least put together a package for everything that happened across the entire instance in one second, or one minute could be far better, for servers that can’t handle the per-second traffic?

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              Well that’s good!

              And right, I had the exact same thought… It seems like the lemmy devs are not highly experienced web developers, at least not that have worked on anything at the scale lemmy became after the Reddit exodus.

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                I thought at first that everything was simply slow to develop bc of using the Rust programming language.

                Now I hold great excitement for the upcoming projects like Sublinks, Piefed, Mbin, and Tesseract (that one is more a front-end UI for whatever backend protocol). But Lemmy still has all the effort put into it in the past so it is ahead for that reason at least.

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                  I’m eyeing Piefed and Sublinks. I’ve done a lot with Python and Java… Maybe at some point I’ll find the time to contribute more than the bit of PR review I’ve done for Sublinks.

                  I’m also watching mastodon, particularly because they’re working on groups… And I don’t mind the Twitter style, I’ve just come to prefer following topics over people… And hashtags just get flooded with low effort crap.

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          I feel like ActivityPub implemented federation in a really weird way, and that’s what causes problems like @linearchaos@lemmy.world is reporting, or the issue that Blaze is addressing through multi-accounting. Perhaps we shouldn’t be sharing content across instances but only credentials.

          For example. If you’re registered to instance A, and B federates with A, then B would let you post from your A account as if you were registered to B. Then let the retrieval of the content of different instances up to the front-end, instead of mirroring it.

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            No, the whole point for the federation is to share the content. For one, it allows redundancy so that if a rogue mod or admin decided to delete a bunch of stuff, then every other instance still retains copies of what came from it.

            But that said, having to keep everything up to the second, in batches of a single action, is extremely limiting. If I downvote someone with an accidental button press, then undownvote them, then upvote - that could have been just one net interaction to send, but instead it is three.

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              Redundancy is better handled through specialised mirrors, similar in spirit to reveddit. That would be even more transparent than the current system - as the mirrors could translate actions like content removal into content highlighting, so it would stick out like a sore thumb*. This would also throw the burden associated with redundancy (transmission, storage, removal of clearly illegal content) into a few machines, instead of the whole network.

              I’m aware that it’s a weaker form of federation than the current one but, as long as the front-end handles simultaneous multi-account and merges the feeds of the instances that you’re registered to, it’s already addressing the main needs:

              • users can see content from multiple places without registering individually to each
              • users don’t need to see what they don’t want to
              • content is still spread out, so no instance controls the whole
              • admins still have control over who accesses their own instance (through defederation + banning).

              *currently you can only find a piece of removed content if you know that it exists.

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                At a wild guess, it could literally be the communism?

                No really, I’m serious: what you are describing sounds to me like there is a sense of “ownership”, as in an instance owns a community, whereupon everything else is lesser than the owner with respect to that particular content - e.g. the others “mirror” the content that is “owned” by the instance that the community is on. A master/slave relationship, in computer science terminology.

                In contrast, ActivityPub sounds to me (caveat: I’ve never read the source) like everyone is equal, hence why every action is shared equally by all. A distributed burden. Except without the major traditional benefits of it being distributed - i.e. Aussie.Zone cannot simply connect to some other server instance with less physical distance between it and Lemmy.World, no it must go straight to the source, even when that results in a 7-day delay (and even that cutoff is only because things older than that simply get deleted).

                On the other hand, there’s nothing stopping someone from not respecting the deletion requests, and instead highlighting that content, in the current Lemmy framework. It would definitely be a deviation from the standard codebase though. And therefore every time there’s an update or patch, there would have to be a merge event to keep that feature functional.

                I wonder if the reason your idea is not done is bc it relies too much on “trusting” the client for security reasons? Although… tbf I’m not certain how much that would differ from how things are now.

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                  I’m not sure if the analogy with communism holds well, as communism implies post-scarcity. Perhaps socialism - if you see the current AP protocol as the Soviet economy from 1918 to 22, my proposal is basically a Lenin style New Economic Policy: a step back (less federation) to take two steps forward later (federation growth).

                  As for the mirrors, secondary (as in backup) would be a good analogy; their main reason to exist would be to make admins+mods accountable. (“Why did you remove [content]? It’s within the rules, even if you disagree with it!”). And ideally it should be possible for a single mirror to work for multiple instances, specially smaller ones. In the meantime, the actual (non-mirror) instances would be on equal grounds.

                  In contrast, ActivityPub […]

                  As far as I know, as someone who didn’t read the source either, that’s accurate. aussie.zone is basically mirroring the content of federated instances, to service its users, then when some aussie.zone user posts something there the other instances mirror it.

                  On the other hand, there’s nothing stopping someone from not respecting the deletion requests, and instead highlighting that content, in the current Lemmy framework. It would definitely be a deviation from the standard codebase though. And therefore every time there’s an update or patch, there would have to be a merge event to keep that feature functional.

                  In theory, there isn’t. In practice:

                  • AFAIK this is not something that Lemmy or Mastodon were coded for. It’s unsupported so the person doing it would need to maintain their own fork of the relevant software.
                  • This becomes specially problematic once users from the non-deleting instance interact with content that, for other instances, has been deleted.

                  I wonder if the reason your idea is not done is bc it relies too much on “trusting” the client for security reasons? Although… tbf I’m not certain how much that would differ from how things are now.

                  If I had to take a guess, the reason why W3C, Lemmer-Webber and Prodromou created the AP the current way is because, while you’re raising a baby, you never know the growing pains that it’ll have as a teen.

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    “people” aren’t.

    Remember two days ago when we learned Russia was spending several billions to sway foreign elections?

    Peperidge farm remembers.

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      That’s not true! There are also useful idiots as well as actors (only the latter of which realize that a game is even being played). So the number of “people” is lower than apparent, yet nonzero.

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        As soon as you find a filter to segregate useful idiots from malfeasant LLMs please share!

        Until then the whole mess gets tagged and flagged.

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          everyone who politically disagrees with me is either not human or a “useful idiot”

          Hopefully some day we can find the root of this toxic division haunting lemmy 🙏

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    .world is the biggest instance and therefore a prime choice for trolls to create accounts. Most of the trash posts I’ve seen lately are from brand new users on lemmy.world

    I am equally suspicious of brand new lemmy.world users as I am of veterans of lemmy.ml. Older accounts on .world are usually pretty normal.