defend our nation
From what?
They can dEfEnD oUr NaTiOn against brown peasants, but can’t march in step because they apparent forget how to do so after basic training? Shit, it’s been over 20 years since my military service and I’m 100% sure I could still manage to march in step
Sounds like it was too loud to hear the cadence by the reviewing stand. I don’t think it was an ability jssue or an apathy issue.
Even then you’d expect them to be able to march in step with each other even if they can’t hear some cadence.
Like I said in another comment, I think it’s just more likely they did the bare minimum because they absolutely didn’t give a fuck about being performing monkeys for King Trump
edit: I was in the military for years. I don’t understand how some of y’all make marching in step and in formation sound like fucking quantum physics
You need some kind of cue to keep in step. If you can see the other guys feet, that helps, but often tinted you can’t. The sound of yourself matching helps, but without some occasional cadence, or other governing factor, the speed of the match tends to change in a collective sort of way. My BMT platoon would get faster as we marched, unless the DI shouted at us occasionally.
I was only in JROTC 20+ years ago and I’m pretty sure I can march in step.
That may be; but how many of those people just didn’t fucking care because of the dress and deportment of leadship?
I mean personally I think that’s more likely to be the real reason – they mostly looked they just didn’t give a flying fuck and didn’t want to be there.
I just find these justifications of “well they’re busy defending our nation so they don’t learn marching” idiotic
I find the parade itself more than idiotic. It’s anti-American and counter to our very principles.
Fuck how they marched. You can have your comments but holy shit it pisses me off that you’re focusing on how they marched instead of on the abject evil forcing them to do it in the first place.
Go to a concert and you might hear people clapping along to a song. All they have to do is meet their hands at the proper time, at speed. Some people are a half second off, and they don’t have to maintain distance, stave off boredom, or consider their stride. Humans kinda suck without practice
One of the ships I was posted had to have the entire crew practice marching before a parade for freedom of the city. But we had come off of deployment not long ago.
It’s been over 20 years since I was in marching band and I could absolutely do it. But not play a woodwind. That takes practice…
Even the most drunk idiots at any of our small villages folk festivals can do that for hours, without any training. It’s not hard ffs.
Same, but whacking stuff with a stick is generally easier
I can play a woodwind just as well as these guys were marching.
I just think it’s odd that they’re not wearing class A’s or even B’s
When I was in 20+ years ago they didn’t even want us stopping for gas off-post in our BDU’s on the way home from work
Wearing white parade gloves in that uniform also just looks weird
I would bet money that this was a protest of their own. They didn’t want to be shown as North Koreans and be used as a tool like that. I appreciate what they did.
I thought that was weird, too. I wonder why?
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Last time they did a parade was back in '91 after the first Gulf War, they wore a combat uniform then as well but also wearing their LBE
But that was just after the ending of actual major combat operation, so it wasn’t entirely out of place to wear the desert uniforms that were worn for that particular theater of operation
I’m not sure why they chose combat uniforms for Trump’s parade, maybe Trump requested them or it was a bargaining olive branch to the troops from the brass to try to keep participation high since dress uniforms are much less comfortable to wear in parades and require more effort on the part of the soldiers to prep
I know we always did our best to avoid those kinds of events that required them
My assumption was to try and make the troops look more menacing as a message to places like LA, really hoping for an NK dear leader style ass kissing but just got to hear the squeaking of a Sherman instead.
Seems like the kind of thing someone who’s been the president before would know. It’s like draft-dodging and believing everything you see on tv are qualities of a shitty president.
Decades of Hollywood Military propaganda ruined in one single day.
They deliberately half-assed the parade because they don’t like the way Trump treats them. Trump calls them “suckers and losers.” He cuts their benefits Why would you show any loyalty (or enthusiasm) to someone who treats you like that?
More Trump quotes: “You fucking generals. Why can’t you be more like Hitler’s generals?” 2017
On the burial of US Army private Vanessa Guillén: “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a fucking Mexican!” December 4, 2020. Trump has denied having made the remark.
“We’re not going to support that loser’s funeral.” August, 2018. Trump has denied having made this remark.
re: John McCain, who was captured and tortured for five years: “He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured, okay? I hate to tell you.” July 18, 2015.
“But, you know, during the Vietnam War, I got very lucky. I had a very high lottery number.” November 9, 1995.
On the 1,800 US Marines who died at Belleau Wood in France during World War I “Suckers.” November 11, 2018. Trump denies having made this remark.
On US soldiers in World War I “Who were the good guys in this war?” November 11, 2018. Trump denies having asked this question.
“I don’t get it. What was in it for them?” November 11, 2018. Trump denies having made this remark.
On disabled veterans “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.” September 30, 2019.
“Look, I don’t want any wounded guys in the parade. This doesn’t look good for me.” Summer 2017.
I’m a PATRIOTIC Republican who PROUDLY wears the American Flag on my Shorts and Truck and TRUMPS RIGHT! Our Soldiers are LOSERS AND SUCKERS!
I can understand why someone would ask who the good guys were in WW1.
It’s a question that shows a childlike understanding of war in general, but that’s how war is often sold. A team sport with body bags.
That said, WW1 is hard to pick a “good” side. It was a mess of a war, but no side was particularly vile when compared to the others…
But for a US president, there’s only one valid answer.
A US president can admit that Vietnam was not a shining moment is US history, but the world wars? No.
I had a very high lottery number
ah yes. that’s how lottery works
During the Vietnam War there was a draft, so you could end up being conscripted and shipped halfway around the world to fight it. One way to avoid getting drafted was a lottery where, if you picked a high enough random number, you could avoid being drafted.
The thing is, Trump never picked a lottery number. Instead, he got five draft deferments, 1 medical and 4 educational. A lot of rich people at the time were able to avoid military service alltogether by getting a doctor to sign off that you had a sketchy illness. In Trump’s case, it was bone spurs, which apparently healed right up after the Vietnam War ended. Trump kept his 1-Y deferments until after 1972, when he was reclassified 4-F (permanently ineligible for service). By claiming he got a “high lottery number” Trump makes it sound like staying out of Vietnam was an amazing stroke of luck. That was just another lie. Trump had powerful friends and family intervene for him. Luck had nothing to do with it.
Dodging the draft was the most moral action, after fragging your officer and joining the PAVN. Of course Trump only did it because it coincidentally happened to line up with what served him, but at least he didnt use his connections to pilot a bomber or something.
🏅"Could have committed more atrocities"
Ok, but 1. fuck John McCain that ghoulish piece of shit is in hell lmao. 2. Trump’s point about soldiers who die on the other side of the planet, fighting for the profits of people like Trump, is absolutely valid. I have no idea what that thought is even doing in an imperialist’s brain.
I have no idea what that thought is even doing in an imperialist’s brain.
Making occasional anti-war gestures and comments muddies the water enough for Libertarian-minded types to support him. It’s the same reason Biden occasionally criticized Netanyahu, it’s all theater.
Somehow I doubt that someone in a professional armed forces can’t fucking march. It’s just left, left, left right left
Anyone can march. Marching in perfect sync with 50 other soldiers in formation is another matter and takes quite a bit of practice and coordination like any other group dance routine.
You learn a lot about the speed of sound
I’ve been out of the military for almost 20 years and I can still march to a cadence.
Active duty? They could march if they felt like it. They did not.
Just gotta keep the bends outta those elbows, troop!
The way the marines, in particular, marched… no. That was sloppy and looked intentional.
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A real President, sponsorships notwithstanding.
Trump’s parade was sponsored by Coinbase.
That was my point. A president standing in front of logos with a world on the brink of collapse around him. The only difference in Idiocracy is that when everything got real shitty Dwayne was still willing to try “science” whereas I’m sure the fascists would rather drink brawndo until they died to “own the libs” than admit change was required so they could eat.
Well, it’s got electrolytes!
Lol he did approach his problem with science and eventually was happy with the solution, but in the interim he also sentenced the person that proposed the scientific solution to death against gladiator and only changed his tune when someone illegally filmed the unexpected plant growth so 5/10
What we are seeing right now is how a society sleepwalks to that point.
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I mean, if they’d been ordered eyes right and present arms, they would’ve.
But they probably didn’t plan for him to salute so no one knew what to do and just walked on by.
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Saw a short video of an ex drill instructor saying your first week in boot besides getting oriented and shit was learning to march. You dont ever forget it. That if it starts getting sloppy, the seargent or whatever starts saying left, right, left to coordinate again. The guy said it was very intentional .
Yeah, I did basic training decades ago, and could probably do it right with maybe an hour-long refresher course. Even without that I’d probably be be fine just marching, it’s more the “eyes left”, “present arms”, handling turns, etc. that would need work.
That said, you tend to follow someone’s lead. From what I remember, they declare it like “by the left, quick march” and that means you’re marching at a standard “quick” pace and you’re lining up with whoever’s to your left, and the left column follows the person in front of them, so basically led by whoever’s in the front-left position of the formation. That means if people to your left, or people on the left-most column are out of step, it will have a cascading effect through the ranks.
But yeah, it’s pretty standard to call out the march, and they’d definitely do that if they cared.
What’s also funny is that at one point as the soldiers were marching past, they were playing “Fortunate Son” on the PA system. Now, that’s massively ironic given that the song is basically about Vietnam-era draft dodgers who used their family’s wealth to get out of Vietnam service like Trump.
But, making it worse is that the song has a slightly faster pace than your typical rock song at 135ish BPM. The US military generally marches at 120 BPM. It’s actually really hard to hear a song at 135 BPM and march at 120 BPM. That’s why generally marching music is at 120 BPM so you march to the beat. The result is that some soldiers kept marching at 120 BPM, others adjusted to match the song, and it all generally looked like shit.
I learned to march in basic in '96, I promise you it stays w you.
I think the way they marched says more about trump than it does their ability to march. I very much doubt they forgot how to do it.
Like riding a bike. Those soldiers were doing their best to sham in plain sight and right in front of that bloated tangerine, I’ve never been so proud of the E-4 mafia in my life.
The E4 Mafia were the whole problem at the mandatory fun day?
No, the orange shit stain in the audience was
They defend our nation? How, and in what ways? Bonus points if you can describe it in : current era facts, non-hegemonic, and without using the word “preemptive strike”, and with action on our soil.
Listen, those golf courses ain’t gonna upkeep themselves.
Realistically, by way of being the political equivalent of a fleet-in-being.
Mostly, though, by way of ducking up anyone who looks like challenging our putative superiority.
so hegemony?
More or less. No bonus points for me, I guess.
America has the best military in the world, that is the top thing we do right.
that does not make sense nor does it answer my question.
We have soft power (or at least we did) with a huge military and spy system to back that up. Do you want a class in military defense and offense? Putin had to use psy ops and put his own puppet in the white house to get what he wants, his military is crap. We protect our allies as well. So you’ll have to explain exactly what you’re asking and I’m sure people in this thread could answer. There are a lot of military people here.
the US military has a documented history of psyops and actions against its own. In addition to war crimes. Like all other nations, sure!!
Sure you can describe the US in relation to other militaries, but you cannot, in good faith, make the claim that it is right, honorable, or even efficient.
the US military has a documented history of psyops and actions against its own. In addition to war crimes. Like all other nations, sure!!
Sure you can describe the US in relation to other militaries, but you cannot, in good faith, make the claim that it is right, honorable, or even efficient.
What are you exactly asking? This is starting to seem like troll baiting. Since I’m in the discussion, it’s a little harder to just give you a break, but I am warning you. If you were speaking to someone else, you’d be out for a couple of days.
Edit: It’s happening to others as well, I’m going to give you a few days break.
PTB
So, no answer will be good enough for you.
Incorrect.
The answer truly is that there is nothing good about the US gov or its military.
Tell that to the people who Bush helped with the aids program he built in Africa, or the people that Obama helped by taking that successful model and applying it to disease response (that trump fucking gutted).
Even Bush, a fucking awful president, still did a good thing with the government.
You’re just here to hate on the US.
Like I said no answer is good enough for you, you had already made your mind up. Not a great way to engage in a conversation.
He said nothing about “right, honorable or efficient.” He said we have a huge military/spy complex, and that gives soft and hard power as a nation. Hes right.
Some greasy idiot with a loaded shotgun walking into a grocery store also gains a lot of hard and soft power about his grocery store experience. It might be imbecilic power that has consequences, but its power.
Deterrent?
Murica is just a puppet that rump has his arm up its ass
At least Trump seemed not to enjoy any of it, so hopefully we can put this whole stupid episode behind us, and move on to the next stupid episode.
- Trump wanted this for a decade
- They put on this ridiculous thing
- Trump isn’t pleased; obviously uncomfortable
Why the hell did they do this then?
He didn’t want it because he thought he would personally enjoy it, he wanted it because he thought it would make him look badass to the other dictators he’s always trying so hard to impress and emulate.
A timeline where saying, “you’re no Kim Jong Un” is an insult.
During his previous term, I recall Trump and Kim Jon Un getting into a little spat (before they got buddy-buddy)…and Kim Jong Un came out of it looking like the sane one.
The next episode will involve him using an Executive Order commanding the Mint to make a Presidential Crown or something.
Fuck do I need to add this to my bingo board?
If my kids were Army and were participating at an event, i would go watch. It sucks that it could have been a nice, reasonable celebration of the Army’s 250 years of service but instead it was hijacked by a dipshit charlatan and turned into something that no one wanted. I feel sad for the families of the participants.
The entire thing screamed humiliation display more than anything else. And the anything else was like a half assed shitty commercial for military equipment. They had actual soldiers playing dress up for no fucking reason while wasting a fuck ton of money the VA could’ve used. Just despicable all around.
Military is absurd. Ceremonial is the least destructive thing they can do I think.
I thought it was in unison but it certainly didn’t have the giant goose stepping.
