• _core@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    What are the odds it was a couple magats pretending to be ICE to fuck with immigrants or people the think are immigrants.

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      Depressingly high.

      But also…depressingly low. The fact that they couldve been actual govt officials behaving this way is…worse?

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      Odds are pretty damn good, I’d say.

      Still, it’s a distinction barely worth making. Garden varity pigs doing this shit are equally as unjust as brand name Pigs doing it.

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      3 months ago

      It is exactly the same power that Trump uses: the willingness to assert yourself. We need more people to not comply, especially in advance.

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    Bullies melt when faced with even the tiniest bit of resistance. Because they are fucking cowards. All bullies are fucking cowards.

    They know what they’re doing is illegal, and they only get away with it because some people let them. Don’t be one of those people. When you see your rights being violated, resist! When you see the rights of others, being violated, resist then too!

    The actions of the manager of the restaurant Chang Chang were not only American, they were patriotic.

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      Yep. The Germans coined a nice term, critically: Vorauseilender Gehorsam - pre-emptive obedience. Don’t do it.

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        “Fascism” is not a German word. It’s an Italian word. Fascism started in Italy before it started in Germany and became something much worse.

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        Sometimes not doing it may cost you. When the society is in terminal stage, that is.

        When everyone does “preemptive obedience”, just not doing it and politely asking “ok, but who you are, please provide some identification and such, or at least explain me how you are different from a random person demanding it, I don’t know who you are and why are you demanding this” might cause dangerous levels of fury in someone who is not a random person, unfortunately, just treats a request for their correct identification (which they would be able to provide) and reasons as an insult.

        To not let it reach that level, you shouldn’t, yes.

        Actually maybe we will have a period of history when Germans save everyone from tyranny. I’ve read they are thinking of returning conscription and are growing military industries rapidly. Maybe for a good cause this time. Should be their turn. LOL.

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      Isn’t this the exact reason Americans have so many guns, to oppose tyranny at the hands of the state? Funny how the most vehemently anti-gun control people are the same ones clapping and cheering as government thugs bundle people into detention centers without warrants.

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    I wouldn’t be surprised if some cop who ate there wasn’t happy with the service he got and organised this shenanigan

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    We will end up with a general population that knows their immigration/civil liberties laws and rights, and how to exercise them.

    It’s going to be real interesting.

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    This is America, the most well armed nation in the world, push us far enough and that manilla folder gonna be full of holes.

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        There will come a breaking point though. I hope to never see it, but there is a line that can be crossed that will move people to action. I’ll admit, it might be further than it should be, but it’s there. Americans may be complacent, but people are people

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        Go corner a wild animal and see what happens.

        For those that have only lived comfortable and safe lives, the line where they bite back is far away, and for others that know pain or oppression, the line is a lot closer. But the line always exists, and with the way everything is going right now, we are all diving face-first over that line sooner or later.

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      I wonder if the director told that actor “have, just, the worst trigger discipline. Make it look like you have no business handling a firearm.”

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        In the movie this is right after he executes 2 Chinese journalist, so lack of trigger discipline kinda makes sense. Oh and he’s about to try to execute a bunch more people in the up coming moments

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          Agreed. Dude was unhinged and didn’t give a fuck about any of that in this scene. Which obviously made it more tense

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            I’m not sure how well received this movie is but I really enjoyed it. The movie did a good job at not really identifying this characters “military affiliation” as well as the first group of militia they ran into. To my knowledge, nothing really identified these two groups as being affiliated with the government or resistance, so the tendency to just kill everyone you don’t know is probably how most things would get handled in the fallout/duration of a civil war.

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      I still think about this scene a lot because I’ve been there sheen relatively normal people casually talked about going to cities and shooting "democrats“ while also talking about the guns they were currently buying. I should have turned them in.

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          I have too many family members who are Leo, plus other reasons why they shouldn’t do that. Plus it would be homeland security or FBI for various other reasons. But it could be ICE because I know a lot of immigrants. It would be a clusterfuck.

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    So how long until real criminals start following suit and impersonating undercover ICE agents? Not like there’s much distinction between either “career” now, is there?

    And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~

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      They’d be caught out too quickly.

      “Hey, wait a second! Yeah, you’re holding me at gunpoint but you’re asking me to put the money in the bag? But real ICE would have just kidnapped me!”

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      And then how long until ICE agents start showing up with holes on the ground because property owners “thought” they were real street thugs trying to rob them? Is there even a way to tell the difference? ~wink wink~

      Should happen more often, this aversion to civil violence is a bit like a game of “I drop my weapon, you drop yours” between governments and people, except governments never fulfill their part.

      Like Russian opposition trying to do “everything by the law” until realizing the other side never was, it was just silent enough in killing and randomly vanishing people and pretending its just dumb thieves. The same is happening in the EU right now, they just don’t know it yet.

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    From the set up, I’d have expected the agents to have unleashed whatever was in that manila folder. You’d think it was important if it was one of the only things they brought in.

    Now I’m thinking it was less ICE agents carrying a warrant and more “militia leader bought a pack of folders at Staples” and told his racist minions a folder will get you through doors like wearing hi-vis or a ladder will.