Who is pizzacake and why do so many commenters dislike them?
Probably misogyny.
Have a good read, it’s interesting if you like manufactured drama for the sake of publicity.
Huh, that comic and the responses makes me realize how much people can’t notice their own blind spots, including within the comic itself.
Like in this section with people saying it’s exaggerated or nobody actually talks like that (because they don’t ever perceive it in real life and it seems to ridiculous to be real), and the comic referenced in your link where she says if men were responded to that way, because she apparently can’t see that it is how men are responded to for many of those things, because she’s so used to seeing women as the victims of that stuff perpetrated by mostly men (which is reasonable! What situations would she see the opposite?). What’s telling, though, is the way one side pegs her as a misandrist for it and shit on her work and herself for it, and the other side pegs those for being misogynist for taking issue with her (though, in fairness, some are and will hate on anything by a woman discussing problems for women).
Basically, I feel like this is two groups yelling past each other and being upset about the same issue: gender-based mistreatment. But another key thing is… well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over. And the women, just like with 2X, should take this stuff with a grain of salt (especially when someone presumes to know what men’s experiences are). Stuff is exaggerated to pinpoint an issue, but you shouldn’t let it poison your view of the world (or men).
Basically, I feel like there’s value in comics like PizzaCake’s, but the heavy commenting should be expected, not hated on. The most value people can get from it would be hearing other perspectives without insulting them for having a different one than your own. Except the actual misogynists (and misandists), they can fuck off, but I think it’s worth giving the benefit of the doubt to start.
I saw that thread and honestly wanted to comment something like this, but I thought it would be better to let it go unsaid.
And she refused to even acknowledge that she might suffer from the same blind spot she is accusing others of.
Edit: the archive link : https://archive.is/xfVPD
well, the guys who happen across her comics should recognize that it’s a comic equivalent of TwoXChromosomes from Reddit: it’s by a woman, largely for women, and you should either skip it or read it for a glimpse of a perception you normally don’t experience, not something to argue over.
So, to cite the devil, as men should not interject in women’s spaces when misandrist tropes are being normalised there, so women should not interject in men’s spaces when men are normalising misogyny.
I don’t know about you but I don’t think that’s the solution to society’s issues. In fact, we should have a standard of both sides policing their own spaces against harmful tropes.
I have no idea what their deal is but one comic sure did cause a lot of butthurt.
Being a misogynist overbearing male asshole makes one unfuckable. They are the probably bitter about having that obvious truth pointed out to their dumb asses.
For real. Their ideaology is so twisted. They think that in order to attract women, they should be a what a man’s idea of an attractive man is. And instead, being what a woman would find attractive is somehow… gay? Like, I just don’t get it, like there’s a very fundamental misunderstanding of what it is they are trying to do. Very square peg in a round hole situation.
She’s very reddit
The art is incredibly bland, the points they make are very surface level, and the artist is an awful person.
So many people think they’re owning the libs or whatever by posting them.
Some people just seem to find low hanging fruit to their tastes.
No idea why, though if I had to guess, it’s probably because it takes no effort to understand any of it.
Like how children play with blocks. They’re easy.
That’s a very good way of putting it.
From the comments, it seems the artist herself isn’t well liked.
From knowing nothing about the artist, but having seen a huge bulk of these comics: Maybe they’re incels. 🤷🏻♂️ These do tend to be about toxic masculinity and just bad male behavior in general. It’s like seeing a Republican hating someone because that someone they hate calls out Republican bullshit.
Really? I’m not a pizzacake hater but this is happening on lemmy too?
Or maybe because she threatened illegitimate DMCA take downs of parodies on r/bonehurtingjuice resulting in mass censorship of any criticism of the fact that one of her comics was insensitive to victims of male sexual assault.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/pizzacake_posts_are_now_banned/
Yeah… Based on all the relevant info and links there, I definitely don’t think the hate is actually based on “illegitimate DMCA” takedown requests.
Yeah, no. A male SA survivor expressed sincere perspective, claiming the original comic insensitive. It was the top comment before it was removed with many other responses. Just read the posts linked in the comment below the one I shared. It’s not incel garbage (mostly), she’s an intolerable Karen. She’s got the mods censoring that sub, it’s one of the reasons I left reddit. (I’ve been banned multiple times for expressing these facts.) They ban people for being critical. I think hating her for being unfunny or having an only fans is dumb. On the other hand, hating on her for being an unapologetic asshole is fine. She’s earned it.
Don’t they lock your ability to make new accounts when you get banned
They reversed my ban from the comics sub after appealing.
It’s still extremely problematic that this being painted as incels vs pizza. She has had bad takes on free health care, male survivors, and equating all criticism to misogynistic haters. She doubles down and never argues in good faith.
I really like BHJ. It’s fun and chill. She just didn’t like that people were being critical of her takes. The mods were actively removing hateful content and responses. They expressed willingness to help remove any offending content.
Now, you can’t even mention her name on the sub without threat of ban. It’s ridiculous that she’d try DMCA against something so clearly fair use. Weaponizing it like that isn’t even legal. The mods couldn’t be bothered to fight it though.
I politically agree with her mostly and find some of her comics sincerely funny, but she’s still being a dick.
literally reads the thing they linked and still doesn’t agree with them
“Bro just read it until you agree with me.”
Just read it again, but harder. Then you’ll agree!
“It’s about journalism, dammit!”
Toxic PCC fans strong on Lemmy already? This community is a lost cause
Seriously – my wife takes 0% of my bullshit, and that’s such a great quality. Just sayin’.
My wife tolerates a little of my bullshit. But that tolerance may be because she can’t tell if I’m just being weird or not. And she knew I was different when she was dating me and yet she still married me.
I really hate their comics. Never anything original.
I really hate scrolling through comments to find ones like this. Never adds to the conversation.
How does someone going against the popular opinion not add to the conversation??
You’re right, they did add something to the conversation. And what they added was a low effort post that did nothing other than waste electricity.
You really didn’t see what I was doing there, huh?
Only fawning praise adds to the conversation
Whoosh!
Blocking this community for pizzacake spam lately
Okay, and?
This ain’t an airport, we don’t care about your departure.
Cool story bro
I just went through the last 10 days of posts in the community. This is the only PC one that shows up in that time frame. Other artists have multipes in that time. So, less than once a week… guess there are different ideas of what is spam.
Any normal human would go, “Whatever” and move on.
But not this person. They wanted to let people know that they have been visually assaulted, made up a story about seeing it too much, and then even says “I’m blocking you!”
For a moment there I thought you were talking about PC.
#BINGO!
I’d say four of these are accurate.
I think I saw three of them in the comments already!
Don’t know the artist besides what hits the front page here
Isn’t it kind of fucking awesome that douchebags are getting owned?
You forgot her threatening to sue a subreddit for critizing and making fun of her comics. There’s a reason why some people don’t want her comics here, and that’s because she’s toxic as fuck
Yeah, but to be fair, the threads linked here from r/BHJ are Chernobyl-level toxic, and they seem to think they’re the victims.
Weird how people get so parasocially attached to others, to the point of whiite knighting
thou doth protest too much!
I couldn’t give a flying shit about the artist.
I just enjoy poking at the incels that clearly feel emboldened to flame the threads every time PCC gets posted.
I mean, it’s literally every single post. It’s getting old and boring. So, I made the bingo card to spice the turd stew up that y’all make.
is it not hot enough for you? don’t worry, I’ll make it extra spicy for you next time 😘.
What’s old and boring is PCC’s fan army defending her and her mediocre comics (while simping her OF) at every turn, being just as toxic as her.
Make it spicy how? You gonna sue me like PCC tried to sue a subreddit for critizing her comics?
The only people mentioning her OF are guys like you who get riled up when someone does sex work to pay their bills. Please tell me where she so relentlessly advertises her nudes in her comics and where people in this thread “simp” (and I don’t mean defending the fact that she has one) for her OF.
“Criticism = incel” is a great, quick litmus test for identifying shitty people.
The irony is that the vast majority of people who use “incel” as an insult also tend to dissonantly believe that value judgments of women based on virginity are immoral, lol.
They do this every time someone posts a Pizzacake comic, it’s very strange.
I’ve honestly never encountered this artist and don’t know any of the drama around them.
Can I say her art style sucks just to win the prize for a bingo though?
the prize is more bingo.
You can go ahead and cross off not funny, lame, and looks like AI while you’re at it.
I’m happy to be honest, I agree with some of these (obv not the bitch slut or nazi ones). You need another square pointing out how the r/comics mods defend her to a kind of insane level, and definitely give her preferential treatment over other comic artists.
as you can see I drew myself as the Chad and you as the soyjack, so I win
Legitimate criticism of someone isn’t incel behaviour bruh
you’re right.
consistent criticism that hits each of those nine points on every single PCC post doesn’t denote incel behavior.
it’s still pretty pathetic though, that none of these incels have the self control to ignore a post and go into a blind rage when they see a comic. Only to feel the uncontrollable urge to berate an artist that clearly isn’t on this platform. like, who are they trying to convince? sad.
the bingo card is mostly entertainment for myself just so I can keep laughing at them while these comics keep getting posted.
I’ll probably make more every time I see PCC get posted.
She doesn’t care about you no matter how much you white knight her or wank over her OF. You sound just as toxic and simpleminded as I imagine a PCC fan to be
🌝 in this meme I portray myself as the chad and you as the wojak
I can see that people don’t always know how to word their critique. But the point is simple: This is a toxic way to deal with that type of annoyance in your life. It’s a comic, indeed, maybe not meant to be taken seriously, but I would much better see comics about interesting, or fun things. This type of ordinary, sarcastic social commentary you present as a comic does not help your cause nor make the sub a better place. Let’s not perpetrate the “owning” culture so prevalent in social media. Shall you?
According to these commenters and bingo cards anyone who criticized this artist is an incel. To me she just makes mid borderline lame/cringe comics. Was happy not seeing her stuff after leaving Reddit lo and behold shes back with comics denoting imaginary scenarios without any punchlines. Go ahead and check a bingo square and call me an incel her work sucks.
I love seeing these comics. You can always count on like 20 white males showing up asking how this is funny, that it’s a strawman, that pizzacake is terrible, blah blah blah.
The simple thing is, they are comics that give a flavor of the times. Males ARE acting this way. Is it a caricature of a scenario, sure, but that’s what a fucking comic is. Does it have to be “funny” in order to be a comic? No, there are political comics everywhere. Why does pizzacake only get this sort of ire? Is it because she’s calling out white males on the absurdity of their actions, and they don’t like it?
My advice? Chill TF out bros. It’s a comic. If you don’t like it, maybe you should talk to your buddies when they start acting like Andrew Taint’s mouthpiece. Toxic masculinity is a real issue. Sorry that it takes a fucking pizzacake comic to discuss it…
Yup. This checks all of the “that is definitely how people talk”-boxes. It’s like an invented dialogue meets a fantasy answer.
Can we not have AIop being upvoted to the top? Thanks.
This dog shit comic being spammed on *eddit was a good reason to leave that shithole
You sound decaffeinated.
Fun fact: no one is forcing you to read comics you dislike! If you don’t like a post, you are allowed to scroll past it.
Yeah, the virtue signaling is at an insane level, but the author never seems to take their own advice or take it well when anyone points out their blind spots.
she’s had some real shitty opinions but she’s generally in the right ballpark.
Honestly, who didn’t?
Me, I’m always right
Yeah, on this topic I feel like she’s in the ballpark. My girlfriend and I game in the same spaces but we don’t always announce that we are together IRL for privacy sake. And we are both very independent people.
The amount of weird dudes she’s ran into that have used “high value man” or “high value woman” is absolutely more than one. They’re pretty common to bump into in online spaces.
The last time she ran into a problem with a dude like this—she read me the chat as it was going down. The guy was clearly into her but couldn’t handle that she was taken and had no interest. So, this random dude proceeded to call me a cuck (hahaha), asked if I “knew what she was up to” (gaming? lol), and that no high value man would want her! He did this in a public gaming space too and about 50 people thankfully dog piled and ratioed him into oblivion.
Oh well! I guess she’s stuck with “her low value cuck man” who makes her coffee in bed every morning and with whom she raised a cute and healthy family with. She’s allowed to do whatever she wants and her male doesn’t even try to control her. How horrible! She’ll never recover!
These dudes are dangerous in numbers. Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
I’m doing my part. 🫡
Actually, I missed this thread.
The only comic of hers that I’ve found morally objectionable was years ago now, and framed around complaining about her kids.
It had thousands of downvotes (on reddit) and all the comments were calling her out for being entierly responsible for her situation as a parent, and telling her to suck it up and step up because bitching out her kids like that was damaging them, unproductive and absolutely not funny.
Out of the thousands of comic panels of hers that I’ve seen, that’s really not a bad track record at all.
she also downplayed male rape a while back. and doubled down on it.
Ah, ok yeah I didn’t see that one. That changes things s bit.
I generally agree with her opinions, but there’s more to thinking a comic is good than pointing at it and going “wow i think that too.” They always just seem like super generic “relatable” jokes, and it’s crazy that they always get 50 billion upvotes.
low hanging fruit is low hanging fruit for a reason. it’s accessible.
I’d suggest 4chan as a more suitable alternative buuuuut…
Lol. Dog shit comments like this being posted on reddit was a good reason to leave that shithole.
I’m not a fan of her comics, I just don’t find them very funny. But the level of unconstructive hate she gets is absurd. Just move on if you don’t like the comics. If you really dislike them, just block the user or community. It’s not hard. Grow up.
I don’t see what’s dogshit about it. Maybe you just don’t like it?
Fits the current comic btw.
Are you afraid spez is going to come to your house and lick your feet while you sleep if you say Reddit? Nothing more pathetic than self-censorship. Say the fucking word or pick another one.
Say the n-word then
It’s for wh€n you hat€ someth*ng so much that you treat it as a sluπ. If you don’t like it that’s fine but as people who dislike pizzacake should do move on or block it.
“Self-censorship” like when PCC author threatened to sue a subreddit for critizing her and making fun of her comics
Well something similar happened that haunts my childhood till this day.
we don’t want you here
I guess you should just leave instead of posting shit comments.
I don’t think this is the right place for you then either. Maybe try X or “Truth” Social?
So, if someone disagrees with your opinion of PizzaShit, they’re somehow a conservative?
Jesus fucking Christ. This is truly r/comics Al over again.
Pot: Meet kettle.
Jfc. You can’t make this up
Wait, so- in a different discussion where you removed your downvoted comments that were arguing something similar… you were right, but here where the same point could be made, it’s wrong? Let me refresh you, because the you didn’t remove the one that had positive voting:
If nazzis and I agree 1+1 makes 2 that doesn’t mean we’re all Nazzis.
So if we change “nazzis” (Nazis) to conservatives….
Well, I guess we finally see what happens when the pot meets the kettle, don’t we.
Excuse you. Liking pizzacake is not a prerequisite to be a sane normal person.
IKR, that’s like the ultimate reddit opinion to have. 😂
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The great thing about lemmy is that if you don’t like a post, there is another one under it.
You’re welcome to make your own comic if you think you can do better.
now now. that’s just a stupid stance to take. you don’t have to make media to be critical of it.
or do you have to make a podcast to say joe rogan’s slop is toxic, diseased, and damaging to society?
You’re right of course! But also there’s a big difference between real criticism and just saying something is “dogshit”. In fact you criticized Joe Rogan’s stuff properly, by drawing attention to the negative effects it has on people. We could go even further and pick out specific cases. (Though there’s no need to in this case, I agree with you.)
On the other hand, shitting on something with no reasoning just makes you a hater. I work with several comic artists professionally, and a common thing they ALL see is a nontrivial percentage of commenters who simply disparage everything. This is not because the content is inherently bad, but because all these trolls can do is destroy, not create.
Them saying Joe Rogan’s podcast is “toxic, diseased, and damaging to society” is not better critique than the other poster calling this comic dog shit. Both are just statements that provide no argument or reasoning behind the statements. Sure they could back it up with examples why it is so, but so could the other commenter, which would make either of those comments valid criticism, but without they are equally good (or bad) criticism.
I think it’s fine because we were operating on an implicit set of shared knowledge. Not every communication needs to be a research paper.
I have no understanding (implicit or explicit) of why the original commenter hated this comic, and clearly that’s the case for the vast majority of the voters here.
Providing 2-3 lines of explanatory context is hardly a research paper, but enough to illustrate reason behind a simple statement.
AFAIK, the author of this comic is somewhat of an asshat that exercises varying degree of censorship on a comic strip subreddit, based on their personal beliefs.
like i replied to the original comment that person is complaining about, she’s had some really dumb takes but is usually in the right ballpark. those dumb takes were also cases where she doubled down and yeah, that subreddit is basically a safespace for their superusers/content creators.
exactly.
there is no substantive difference between my comment about rogan and that guys comment about this comic. only your opinion is coloring how you take it.
you and every single person upvoting you are just lemmings wearing a different team’s jersey than the idiot lemming above.
if anything, we need more haters at this point, because y’all dumb af.
“This is a dog shit comic” is not a critique, though, is the thing. It’s just jerking off in public.
It’s just a cover for her… erm, alternative content.
So what? Are you such a prude that this insults you?
A woman being involved in anything NSFW is automatically labelled negatively among a certain sect of the population.
Which is such a shame because drawing a funny comic that has NSFW elements should be lauded.
Love oglaf.com
I don’t think simping for online personalities and influencers is particularly healthy, and it’s one of the last things I’d defend.
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
Kinda like when SrGrafo was making loli art. (don’t make me post it)
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
That’s strange, because I’m only aware of the porn because of you, not because of the comic.
You’re the one advertising Internet porn here.
I find that highly unlikely. It’s far more profitable to just do NSFW if that’s your goal.
If anything the NSFW posts are a way to monetize the actual thing she wants to draw, which are normal comics.
Exactly. The NSFW stuff came about from demand, not because she was pushing it. It ended up being very successful, so she kept doing it. It’s weird how angry people get that someone would post nudes.
So?
You’ve made a point. The fanboyism and simping is so deep, there’s nothing you can do but block the content.
Turns out, lemmy has a massive misogyny problem going on ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At first, I thought people were exaggerating by calling her comics a strawman, as the situation mentioned in the comic above happens too commonly.
I did a little digging and found this deleted thread.
To my surprise she turned out exactly like people she seems to be calling out.
This made me chuckle out loud thanks for sharing! Do you mind if I share it in !Witchesvspatriarchy@lemmy.ca
