it’s like you believe you can tariff them expecting they won’t do the same. Why do you believe the rest of the world is not going to retaliate and why do you believe America can prosper without the rest of the world?
What’s the point of having a military alliance with countries you puts tariffs on? That’s unfriendly to say the least.
I don’t even think the majority of American conservatives are on board with most of what’s happening. Some are, but they’re especially stupid and usually ideologically oriented to Trump rather than to the traditional brand of US conservatism.
The traditional conservatives are suspiciously quiet right now, so I count them as fully complicit.
To be fair to them though, they did just get comprehensively voted out from everywhere. They don’t have a single majority to make any difference to anything. If I were them I’d be sitting back with a large bowl of popcorn going “yal’l voted for this, or at least didn’t vote against it, hope you enjoy getting the full force of this orange idiot right in the face”. But from the headlines I’ve read it would appear they’ve had a few things to say about Fart’s latest hot smelly air.
They’d still rather stay silent than break with Trump and ally with leftists. To be really fair, they deserve no fucking credit whatsoever.
That is factually untrue. They did not get voted out everywhere and it is somewhat silly to say so.
House: R- 218, D- 215 Senate: R- 53, D- 47
That is what I call a fair fight.
Your position is indefensible.
I did a bit of maths at school and I know 218>215, and 53>47.
That is what I call a minority in both places. If all D get together and say “no”, and all R get together and say “yes”, then where a simple majority is required it’ll be an R victory. Any D victory will need some Rs to either swing (and likely get fired), or abstain. Of course if a 2/3 majority is needed for something then R will need some D support to get it through.
they’re especially stupid
You know, I always try to avoid thinking that people with different opinions to mine are “stupid”, but it’s getting more and more difficult to credit republicans with being reasonable.
this question could be rephrased to:
dear idiots, why are you so stupid?
OR
dear sociopaths, why are you so selfish?
the motivations don’t matter. they can;t be reasoned with.
conclusion: guns.
You could replace all the above by “trumpist”. There is no such thing as american conservatives anymore, the only thing remaining is trumpism, a soon to be modern form of nazism.
you could also waste your time splitting hairs about words.
Shit like the other comment is why the left will never win in the US. They don’t care about your point or even progressing the conversation.
As long as they get their little point they don’t care. They got to “ackshually” on the internet and that hit of dopamine is good enough.
Go ahead and start shooting people, seems to be your proposition. But are you only about words or will you actually do something? If not then stfu.
you’re too stupid to understand what the point of any of this is. how about YOU STFU?
You comment on every post about guns lol. Well go ahead fucking do something with you guns, now’s the best time. But like most american, all you do is run your mouth like you know everything but you wont do shit. Because like most americans your either an under-educated facsist or a privilege-ass wannabe rebel. What a stupid country you have, hope you will all enjoy being billionaire’s bitches cause that’s your future.
thanks for the support but if you don’t have any constructive commentary, please fuck off.
Here’s a constructive comment : Dear americans, please start shooting each other before we need to do it for you. It’s really hard for us to make the distinction between an under-educated fat-ass who support pedo-president and an under-educated fat-ass who doesn’t care what he does. Hope that helps.
Luigi how did you get internet access !?
This feels so much closer to the real truth than anything. It really can be this simple for the trump cult.
They need the talking heads on Fox News to tell them how to answer that question first.
The president is a Russian asset
The people you need to hear from aren’t using Lemmy.
Conservative on sh.itjust.works appears to be conservatives.
I have my doubts about that. Most of the mass posters are too “conservative” and lean extremely hard into stereotypes. They take racism and bigotry just a bit too far in many cases and it doesn’t quite align with actual conservative bigots and racists that I know.
It wouldn’t be surprising if most of the “conservative” communities are part of the same troll farm that lives primarily on other instances.
This is all speculation, of course. But, organized campaigns to spread discourse on social media are real and some of these trolls are really good at what they do.
Nahh, they were pretty conservativy when I tried to interact with them.
Sadly true. We actively searched for alternatives when we realised other channels were getting too manipulative and full of hate. Those who stayed haven’t even realised it.
Some of them are, you just have to scroll way way way down
OP’s also not going to get an answer that’s interesting or helpful out of them even if you go to where they live and ask and don’t get immediately flamed for asking.
There’s no acceptable answer for it. I have plenty of conservative friends and I could make sense of voting for Trump the first time. Not for me, FUCK that, but not all Trump v1 supporters were racists and there were valid conservative reasons to vote for him. He was definitely an unknown, nobody could have told you with certainty how he would act once in office. I could have told you what I expected and it was about as horrible as I expected, but people often see things in politicians that they want to see, rather than seeing what’s really there.
But any of the “OK to vote for Trump v1” falls apart completely for Trump v2. We saw what his first term was like and especially how it ended. His campaign in 2024 was even more unhinged and less grounded in reality than in 2016. Voting for him in 2024 is really inexcusable.
The US will be unimaginably worse off by the time Trump leaves office this time, tariffs and tax cuts for the rich and inflation, it’s going to be bad for Americans on an individual level. On a global level, Trump will have shredded alliances and any goodwill we had built up over the past decades, while also validating and confirming the world’s worst concerns about us.
And when Trump does finally leave office, the people you want to hear from will largely feel like it was a phenomenal presidency. It is a cult and logic and reason don’t have anything to do with it.
I’d love to believe this, but cynical me is thinking about those conservatives that look at Milei in Argentina and legitimately think it’s going great.
OP should try Truth Social, I hear it’s technically a Mastodon fork…
It’s mastodon? I thought it was a different fediverse platform.
https://www.pcmag.com/news/trumps-social-media-site-quietly-admits-its-based-on-mastodon
Trump’s Social Media Site Quietly Admits It’s Based on Mastodon
Mastodon had originally threatened to sue Trump’s ‘Truth Social’ site for allegedly violating its open-source license.
holy shit!
Oh so it was X before Twitter. Lmao
Gotta love the grift - how much did they sink on this thing? And then they just stole an open source project and tried to hide it.
What’s next, TrumpOS? Reskinned Ubuntu with wallpapers and icons for $300?
Actually - anyone want to join my OS dev team?
Can you imagine them federaring their content? What a stream of odd toots that would be!
Ew.
I mean, yeah, but it’s where they would actually find conservatives…
“”“conservatives”“”. Sometimes I think the DNC is the last place to find actual conservatives these days.
the DNC is the last place to find actual conservatives these days.
There is a good reason for this. Money to win elections comes from CONSERVATIVE corporations and populism isn’t on their wish list.
Yeah.
- consolidated health spending for single-payer services with far less admin slop? Conservative.
- taxing like it’s 1945 to build and maintain infrastructure? Conservative.
- reliable and varies power source? Conservative.
I dunno what these guys are on about.
…ew.
Whoa!!!
To cripple the US so it is no longer a threat to Russia, and they can move in to “reclaim” all those Baltic nations and maybe even cop the EU.
Not just Russia. Any kind of meaningful restraint on multinational corps & billionaires requires international cooperation, or the entity just changes the region where it stores/performs/recognizes whatever thing.
I think we’re gonna learn the hard way its actually not okay to let corporations become more powerful than most nations.
If they were capable of thinking critically, they wouldn’t be Republicans in the first place.
The question isn’t stupid. But asking it here is
The answer is: they do not give a shit.
They do not care about the US as a country.
They do not care about the Americans as a people.
They do not care about the economy.
They do not care about anything apart from their own personal interest. Lining their own pockets is all they care about. If someone helps them do that, they are friends with them. If they don’t, they do not matter.
Congratulations, you now officially live in a cleptocracy where they shake you down, take all of your money and give it to the guys who already have billions. All the taxes they claim to save by obliterating social security, affordable care etc? They are not going back to you, they will stuff them in Musk’s pockets through bullshit contracts and other schemes.
And at the same time, they are critically crippling the IRS to make sure the billionairs no longer even have to pretend to pay taxes.
You’re describing the Republican politicians. The Republican voters are a different bag entirely.
Out of the ones I have discussed politics with, their underlying motivations for supporting Trump are emotionally driven but explained through rhetoric aligning with their emotional motivations. It tends to be grouped into one of a few different feelings:
- cost of living/financial security — immigrants’ fault, taxes, foreign nations taking advantage of US generosity
- fear of change/bigotry — immigrants, “DEI”, “wokeness”, border security
- American exceptionalism/egotism — immigrants, 1st ammendment
- distrust of federal government — “DEI”, government corruption, regulatory overreach, socialism = communism
- distrust of industry — vaccines harmful, science bad
Aside from the bigotry and exceptionalism, those emotions aren’t necessarily wrong. Cost of living increases, politicians owned by lobbyists, and profit-driven privatization of essential services are actual problems. The issue with conservatives is that they have scapegoats to blame those problems on instead of acknowledging the underlying causes. All it takes is some loudmouth, ignorant jackass offering an overly-simplified, emotionally-compelling solution to a complex problem, and others will latch on to it, oversimplify and exaggerate it even more, and disseminate it until the rest of them start believing it.
People can be hateful, narcissistic pieces of shit, and it goes without saying that this repugnant rhetoric is spread intentionally. But, it’s also a direct consequence of a public education system failing among a landscape of patriotic propaganda and media controlled by a powerful few who put profit and self-gain above the health of society.
When someone grows up being told America is a flawless nation, that self-reliance is the foundational trait of success, is never educated to think critically of the government and media, and is bombarded by a neverending stream of false information that validates their fears and lulls them into feeling smarter than everyone else, they end up being indoctrinated into the right-wing cult we have today.
They won’t blame foundational American principles (like the economic ideology) for American problems—they were made to believe America is perfect. It must be something external (like immigrants) making their life worse.
They won’t question those they believe have authority over them—the teacher is always right. If Trump says it’s the Democrats fault, it’s the Democrats fault.
They won’t make an effort to understand other views—self-reliance is antithetical to empathy, and they had it ingrained which one was more important. The only person they can trust is themselves and by extension those who agree.
They also won’t need to understand other views. With the breadth of echo chambers available at the tip of their fingers, it’s easy to seek and reinforce conservative views, social connection, and validation. Chuck McFuck has a sole trans daughter who begrudgingly interacts with him, in contrast to his 10,000 friendly and cooperative buddies on r/conservative.
I’m not a republican, but from my perspective the US empire has been a force for evil in the world for almost all of its existence. International free trade elevates the power of corporations above countries (ex. international IP law enforcement). The neoliberal status quo sucks, and even if tariffs and pressuring US allies to build up their own militaries and not rely on us are being done for the wrong reasons and not in the right way, they still act to dismantle it. I can see it being better than the alternative in the long run, at least for the world if not for those of us living in the US.
Accelerationist trash take
Not accelerationist, I think tariffs are genuinely a good direction to go, and so is reducing US military influence.
How do you know they are going to reduce military influence? How are tariffs going to help people who are struggling to afford anything as it is? If the goal is to get people to buy American, what is stopping everything from only being controlled or made by corrupted people or corporations who set up on American soil?
How do you know they are going to reduce military influence?
I don’t, but it seems like other countries are getting the message that they can’t count on the US to defend them and their alliance is shaky, which seems like it could lead to working towards replacing our role and becoming less dependent, which would be great, because again, we’re the bad guys.
How are tariffs going to help people who are struggling to afford anything as it is?
They are not going to help with that, unfortunately. A worse economy is the price of cutting back on free trade, and the current administration will put as much of that price as they can on the people least able to afford it. Done right, it would be in combination with redistribution to the people who are worst off. I’ll admit, this part is bad.
If the goal is to get people to buy American, what is stopping everything from only being controlled or made by corrupted people or corporations who set up on American soil?
To me, the desired outcome of inevitably mutual tariffs isn’t getting people to buy American, it’s reducing the leverage and influence of international corporations, which are malevolent and can use that influence in harmful ways. If local companies have a built in advantage, divide and conquer tactics shouldn’t work as well (ie. cut safety regulations or face retaliatory job loss). The typical corporate pattern of building up a monopoly and then using that leverage to extract money by fucking everyone over shouldn’t work as well on an international scale. Free trade agreements that give companies rights at the expense of people will hopefully have less appeal and make less sense.
Make liberals tears is the only reason in their hateful and stunted minds
Red Hat = HatRed
They are extremely low trust and simply can’t believe they’re not getting fucked by everyone else secretly
While I have no issue with Republicans being shunned for their unashamed fascism, it does mean threads like this are essentially pointless because almost none will actually participate and the ones who do will be downvoted into oblivion.
And dont forget, we are on Lemmy. Everything that’s somewhat conservative gets bullied out quite fast. C/conservative started as a legit community and got turned into a meme community. I think this speaks for itself.
My general dislike for modern conservatism to the side, it does reflect a wider issue with lemmy. There is no diversity of opinion on anything. There are no niche communities. Either you like the political and tech subs and the meme subs which are, at a mininum, 60% political, or there really is nothing for you here.
The manga and anime subs can be good for keeping up with new releases, but not there’s next to no actual discussion.
I disagree with a ton of stuff, but Ive already been banned from one community so for the most part I keep it civil. I haven’t had much issue arguing against the common opinion here besides the down votes, but I see downvoted comment chains all the time so I’m not as concerned they will be hidden.
There’s absolutely diversity of opinion, I see trans and Tankie arguments pretty frequently.
What is generally true is the majority of Lemmy users seem to lean left and are generally more techy, makes sense given the main reasons why you’d seek out the fediverse vs a centralized social media.
There’s a lot of diversity of opinion between leftists and liberals. Generally speaking, conservatives don’t contribute anything and drag down the quality of debate because they are openly anti-intellectual, and their presence also drives away people who are actually worth having. The only thing that would happen if there were more conservatives on here would be more cable news tier screaming matches and more verbal attacks on minorities. Liberals still only want to talk and think at a cable news level, but at least they aren’t openly hateful and anti-intellectual.
People are more likely to change their minds or have productive conversations when they approach a topic from the same basic values and beliefs about the world, like if two people agree on the goal of uplifting the global proletariat, they can discuss how best to go about it, but if one person’s goal is to uplift the global proletariat and the other’s is, idk, to drop minorities out of helicopters, then both are just going to be screaming at each other. Not only that, but if two people are discussing how to uplift the poor while the other guy’s in the room, it’s going to have a negative effect on their ability to do so, because they’ll constantly have to worry about everything they say getting attacked by dumb, right-wing arguments. Imagine two doctors trying to discuss the nuances of their profession in the same room as an antivax nutjob.
Yeah now try being absolutely unknowledgeable when it comes to tech and very much into makeup, skincare, 90 day fiance and parenting content. Lemmy, it’s been nice, but after one and a half years I started lurking to Reddit every once in a while again.
It sucks that niche things like that haven’t picked up yet, however be the change you want to see, create a community and invite like minded people to post there.
I think the biggest barrier of entry is that people don’t understand it, and they’re not going to until they try in all honesty.
I’ve definitely thought about trying to get back onto Reddit once I get a computer they don’t recognize.
Lurking is fine. I wouldn’t bother creating an account. Reddit is bot-moderated now. It’s been a real shitshow and it’s not really worth having an account anymore.
Project 2025. The goal is to remove all tariffs and other limitations against the US.
Canada for instance has laws on antibiotics for dairy, foreign ownership for banks and telcos, various things like that. India has tariffs on everything.
The document outlines crazy things like capital punishment and a border wall, its clearly Trumps handbook. It’s all in there.
Lots of the Musk Administration stuff has zero constituency. It’s just stuff him, Trump, and a few Heritage Foundation guys thought up. This is one of them. Nobody was asking for tariffs on the whole world or thought it’d be a good idea.
Nobody was asking for tariffs on the whole world or thought it’d be a good idea.
But he floated his tariff garbage before the election and it was all over the media.
Conservatives absolutely voted for tariffs. Which every economist said was a bad idea.
They chose stupid and ran with it. As always.
Worst example of tail wagging the dog. Trump says stuff, and followers think it’s a good idea because Trump said it. Nobody actually wanted this.
Nobody actually wanted this.
They voted directly for it, fool.
