• LucidNightmare@lemm.ee
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    4 months ago

    Lmfao

    Trump, if either Obama, Bernie, or Biden got shot at:

    “TOO BAD THE SHOOTER MISSED. WE NEED TO GET THESE DEMONCRATS OUT OF HERE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. WE GOTTA MAKE AMERICA BEAUTIFUL AND GREAT AGAIN PEOPLE!”

  • stoy@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    I hate Trump and his posse, but had the attempt been successful Trump would have been martyr.

    He has already made himself a symbol for the alt-right, and becomming a martyr, that terrifies me.

    I may not be American, but this shit affects the entire planet.

    • Drewelite@lemmynsfw.com
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      Yeah people are saying “Too bad he missed!” They don’t realize that the real problem isn’t Trump, It’s his cult of millions. The best way this shakes out is for him to lose the election and his relevancy. Then for him to quietly die of old age.

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        No. Hard disagree. Trump is a classic cult of personality. They flock to him for his bombastic rhetoric and his hateful “no holds barred” speech. (can you say beerhall putsch boys and girls?

        You take the personality out of the cult of personality, it folds. Maybe not right away, but it folds.

        Making him a martyr would only matter if his followers, or his own ideals, stood for anything at all. But they (and his ideas) don’t. They’re just rabid dogs who enjoy someone who dares to say the quiet part loud. Once that’s gone, they’re effectively cowards with no direction.

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          And you think they’ll just quietly pack up and leave once Trump is gone? All that power is going to be just left on the table? No one’s going to capitalize on being bombastic and saying the quiet part out loud to sit on the throne themselves?

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            I think they’ll try. But Trump supporters are loyal to one man…Trump.

            The closest analogy would be Mussolini. (The fuckers even stand similarly and use the same mannerisms).

            How long did Mussolini’s cult last after he was dragged into the street and shot? How long did it take his last supporters to vanish like cowards as soon as he was longer up on the balcony in a building with his face on it thumping his chest.

            Trump is no different.

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          4 months ago

          Have to agree with this, and the simple reason is this - who does Trump have on his side that he will pass the torch to?

          No one. There are other grifters on side, but he’s not endorsed anyone younger to be the future of “his” movement. Arguably, a Trump loss would absolutely ruin the Republican party because so much of its attention has been on Trump and his cronies, instead of who has the presence to lead in 5 years time.

          In this event, do you really think that once Trump has served two terms that he will realistically endorse someone? No, it’s all about him. MAGA lives and dies with him, and any attempt to take over what he started would likely have Trump disowning or clowning them as not being on his level.

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          I think you’re forgetting what already happened with Ron DeSantis. Without the real Trump to shut them down, his potential successors will come out of the woodwork drooling at the sight of his empty throne.

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          While there isn’t anyone who has the charisma of Trump as far as I can tell, he has a cult of personality, and carefully exploited it could serve R for decades, regardless of the leader.

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            Appointing Trump posthumously as chairman for eternity would be very in character for the present day Republicans.

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        Just because the crazies already existed doesn’t make it good/neutral to encourage, unite, and embolden them.

  • merc@sh.itjust.works
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    The best take I’ve seen is that Democrats should take this opportunity, dust off an old gun control bill that failed, rename it the President Trump Assassination Prevention Act and try to pass it. Republicans will still vote against it, but they’ll be on record as voting against the President Trump Assassination Prevention Act.

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      Oh yes, that’s going to help Democrats get their eventual nominee elected. A gun control bill, right now, when most of the party is sending out thoughts and prayers for the bullet.

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    While dems play this controlled opposition civility card, Republicans will be mobilizing their supporters and riling them up completely unchecked because yeah maybe calling for violence is bad but calling somebody bad for doing so is worse

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      While I am not advocating harm against Trump, using force – including violent force – to stop active harm against you or someone else is something we all would probably feel justified in if the situation came up, for instance if a crazy guy was trying to hurt or murder your child. The secret service did it today when they killed the shooter (at least i think they did; that’s the current reporting).

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    Loads better than Bernie. Doubt on shots, downplay injury, remind people that for some, civility and respect are re-commitments. Here’s a wet-wipe, Donald, have a nice day.

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    There is absolutely no place for political violence in our democracy.

    I wonder if he’ll be thinking about the irony of having said that when Trump is in office, democracy is dead and he’s plummeting 20 floors to his death after one of Trump’s operatives has thrown him out a window.

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      They have been enacting political violence against other countries and their own citizen themself during their presidency

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      There is absolutely no place for political violence in our democracy.

      But January 6th was totally fine. Right? The courts seem to think so. The Democrats sure seem determined to hand the country over to the fascists.

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    “But fuck the bystanders that caught the bullets intended for the former president, one of whom is dead. The ruling class is more important than them, regardless of team.”

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    “Respectability” should be a swear word. Even rolling it around my tongue feels like I’m tonguing raw sewage, or maybe a particularly used condom. It implies a certain standard of behavior. To those who aim to be respectable, the standard is of civility, of fair-mindedness, of calm, reasonable debate and jovial disagreement. To those who don’t give a fuck about that bullshit, it stinks of elitist posturing, of valuing messaging over content, and of Puritan control. That’s how the scumfucks get away with it, you understand. They decry your tone, your language – not your content.

    Not the thing that really matters, but the distraction of respectability and civility and propriety. Because you see, it makes them uncomfortable. They don’t like to be reminded that their policies affect real human beings. That would make it nearly impossible for some of them (not all, of course, there are some real fucking sociopaths there) to pass bills that cut welfare spending, or to authorize missile sales to Saudi Arabia

    …Ultimately, a call for respectability is a call to take your beating with a smile, because you are serving the interests of their narrowly-defined democracy. But isn’t decency a good thing? Shouldn’t civility be a goal we all strive for, especially for public figures?

    No.

    Here’s the fucking truth – everyone is a fucking asshole, especially those who claim that they just want some “decency.” How do I know this? Because the same people who claim “civility” are the people who authorize defense appropriations for arms sales to theocrats, the people whose idea of a “humane homeless policy” is to put spikes on public benches, the people who think fascists can be defeated by hugs. Embracing “respectability” over content, and over values, is promoted primarily by those that have the privilege of ignoring the deleterious effects of said policy.

    …Don’t play by the rules of the oppressor, because their rules are specifically designed to silence you, to negate you, to ignore you.

    https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/romeo-kokriatski-respectability-politics-or-you-gotta-be-nice-to-monsters

    TL;DR:

    the goal of fascists is to prevent people from speaking against them If you can't be uncivil to fascists, it's a sign that the fascists are winning this again is why liberal pundits fulminating against uncivil treatment of fascists are aiding fascists. Isolating fascist critics and arguing that they deserve punishment or shunning for their behavior helps fascists close down criticism in the public sphere