• Fedizen@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    This is why abandoning the “grocery store” strategy for “trump said naughty words” was a huge mistake.

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      I find all of this Monday morning quarterbacking pretty silly. Trump was literally fellating the mic and rambling incoherently a few days before the vote. “Strategy,” hahah. Nothing Kamala’s campaign coulda done was gonna get those 15 million people that chose not to vote, if simply listening to Trump didn’t.

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        Or maybe voting against something that you don’t personally like is not a strong strategy for a nationwide election?

        Suggesting that there was “nothing” at all she could have done to inspire voters is a cope. And refusal to listen to the reasons people vote the way they do.

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          No. Y’all did this exact same mental gymnastics routine in '15. We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem. That’s all. Well, that and because pressures from climate change have made people afraid and easier to con.

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            We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman [In 2016] because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem.

            I mean she also had a 20+ year smear campaign against her, that probably shaved a few votes I gotta imagine.

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            Right… It’s everyone else that’s the problem that the same tired tactics aren’t working over and over again.

            It’s just those darn voters who need to be taught a lesson on how to vote properly. Those people that are hungry and poor just need to listen to what’s good for them and their disagreement is obviously because they are shitty people who hate women.

            Great talk. Can’t wait to see all the outpour of support for that now and the 3rd victory in a row for Democrats. Because nothing need change and it’s everyone else that’s doing mental gymnastics.

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              If someone requires dispropprtionate convincing to do the obviously right thing, I do hold them responsible for being wilfully ignorant, yes.

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                Then you are a narcissist who thinks you can ignore others and bully them into agreeing with you cause you think of yourself as the only truth.

                Your idea of right is your own. Blame everyone else then, but don’t pretend it’s productive or that you will get what you want from it just because.
                Suggesting that there is no strategy change needed after proof it doesn’t work over and over again makes you willingly ignorant as well. And extremely unlikely to ever get a goal you want.

                It lets you have a scapegoat to not introspect or change. And yours is just as imaginary as the right and you blame millions of people for not being you.

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                  Yup, you’ve got me all figured out after this one exchange. Now that I’m nicely in this box, feel free to store it wherever makes you comfy.

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                    You’ve said nothing at all could be done. Not a thing cause everyone just doesn’t agree correctly with your take. And you are now dismissive and resigned to this idea of failure.

                    I know enough to know you don’t get to be right just cause you want to be. And you can’t speak for others just cause you think you know better. And if you keep this mentality and ideas nothing is gonna change. So you either want that or don’t care if you are wrong so you get to keep feeling the way you do.

                    Either way it’s your own issues to solve.

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        The issue is it is a two party system. The Dems ran a safe but weak campaign while people are pissed off at the world. Trump was a colossal ass who is likely to collapse the free world clowning it up at every chance.

        This was a referendum on the status quo, and they got a solid no in favor of tearing it all down.

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            That or a locked down internet in the US. Was it not from that document that this came from?

            “Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned,” the document says. “Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.”

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                Ah, but it works both ways. One great way to radicalize young men is sexual frustration (see: incels). The right has mastered this FAR better than the left ever thought about it.

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        I do think that when harris said stuff like “stop price gouging” fascist media made the mistake of airing her and combatting the point - which is weak sauce on their part. More of that would probably have worked. Less ads about trump unfitness more about reducing grocery costs.

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          Grocery costs will continue to go up, because climate change has disrupted food production and distribution (among other things.) We could make prices fall artificially, but the actual cost is higher. And anything we do to change that must be paid in more externalities. Americans don’t want to have the hard conversations. We want pleasant half- truths and lies. That’s what we elected.

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            Nah. The comparative price of food will go down if wages rise. And wages are artificially low. Food scarcity is not yet a serious issue in the USA. It’s a purely political issue.