• Hackworth@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    No. Y’all did this exact same mental gymnastics routine in '15. We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem. That’s all. Well, that and because pressures from climate change have made people afraid and easier to con.

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      We elected a senile con man instead of a qualified woman [In 2016] because America has a deeply rooted misogyny problem.

      I mean she also had a 20+ year smear campaign against her, that probably shaved a few votes I gotta imagine.

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      Right… It’s everyone else that’s the problem that the same tired tactics aren’t working over and over again.

      It’s just those darn voters who need to be taught a lesson on how to vote properly. Those people that are hungry and poor just need to listen to what’s good for them and their disagreement is obviously because they are shitty people who hate women.

      Great talk. Can’t wait to see all the outpour of support for that now and the 3rd victory in a row for Democrats. Because nothing need change and it’s everyone else that’s doing mental gymnastics.

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        2 months ago

        If someone requires dispropprtionate convincing to do the obviously right thing, I do hold them responsible for being wilfully ignorant, yes.

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          Then you are a narcissist who thinks you can ignore others and bully them into agreeing with you cause you think of yourself as the only truth.

          Your idea of right is your own. Blame everyone else then, but don’t pretend it’s productive or that you will get what you want from it just because.
          Suggesting that there is no strategy change needed after proof it doesn’t work over and over again makes you willingly ignorant as well. And extremely unlikely to ever get a goal you want.

          It lets you have a scapegoat to not introspect or change. And yours is just as imaginary as the right and you blame millions of people for not being you.

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            2 months ago

            Yup, you’ve got me all figured out after this one exchange. Now that I’m nicely in this box, feel free to store it wherever makes you comfy.

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              You’ve said nothing at all could be done. Not a thing cause everyone just doesn’t agree correctly with your take. And you are now dismissive and resigned to this idea of failure.

              I know enough to know you don’t get to be right just cause you want to be. And you can’t speak for others just cause you think you know better. And if you keep this mentality and ideas nothing is gonna change. So you either want that or don’t care if you are wrong so you get to keep feeling the way you do.

              Either way it’s your own issues to solve.

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                2 months ago

                I’m not right because I want to be. It’d be nice if I were wrong! I’ve been actively seeking out open conversations focused on understanding opposing perspectives since before the Internet existed. The things I am certain of are few and far between, and this particular certainty was hard-earned over decades of exploration and introspection. It really just comes down to this. Do you believe that some things are true, as in not a matter of perspective? Do you believe those things can be understood?