Nothing came out that proved anything, lol. “Hundreds of hours of audio but I won’t share any of it even though the election is right around the corner”, huh?
Please.
Still waiting on that n-word tape, and the pee tape, and so on, by the way.
Trump has said and done enough stupid shit without people like this making up random bullshit and never producing the evidence they pretend to have, while idiots like the OOP run with it.
I think this is the source of the story. It’s from James Truman’s and Michael Wolff’s podcast Fire and Fury. You may remember Michael from his media appearances after writing his book by the same name about the beginning of the Trump administration.
I haven’t listened to it, but no one has yet linked to it in these comments.
Thanks for actually producing something substantial.
Of course, the fact remains that there is already more than enough 100% confirmed stuff to nail him on. Unfortunately the hyper-short attention span of most people today means they usually care more about how new a thing is, than how severe it is.
Right? It’s not like there was a tape of Epstein saying Trump and he were best friends for 10 years. Right? Even if there was, it could be fake. Even if it’s not fake, it doesn’t matter right? It’s not like Trump supporters keeps calling dems pedophile and claim that the Truth about Epstein is hidden, right? Even if they did, the real problem is Bill Clinton right? Right?
Fact is, if these hundreds of hours of incriminating audio existed, and especially in the possession of an opponent, they’d have been released already, because there is every reason to do so and no reason not to.
That’s all there is to it.
Not that it even really matters. To say there is no shortage of genuine, provable bad/immoral action taken by the man is a colossal understatement. We don’t NEED to latch on to bullshit like this that’s obviously just trying to make headlines. Hammer home the shit that CAN’T be plausibly denied.
I swear, if this dipshit actually wins this election, after everything that’s happened…
But no, let’s all pretend he was sucking an invisible dick on stage instead, let’s spend a lot of time on that. It’s like you WANT to lose.
So frustrating.
they’d have been released already,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDK5ttnzz4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtNdE_q5w28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3KIO6VfxpU
Bonus! Trump talks about Jeffy being a Terrific Guy and wishes well to Ghislaine Maxwell!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkrnWRIavAU
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-epstein-terrific-guy/
By what kind of brain gymnastic can you ignore this?? At this point, there could be dozens of video of Trump raping a horse, 23 videos of Trump saying he loves raping horses, a book published and sold by him named “Why I rape horses”, and people like you would be “Muh, this doesn’t prove anything. Fake news, nice try you lying liberals.”
Good, glad to see (well, hear…you know what I mean) it!
But if this is all the bad stuff, why was the guy talking about “hundreds of hours”? No need to exaggerate, just get it out there, you know? Actually, one better: announce it AS you release it, especially when there are multiple instances of similar claims that never materialized. The worst thing you can do with someone like Trump is ‘cry wolf’ yourself and cultivate skepticism. Only makes the real/unexaggerated stuff harder to ‘stick’.
I like how you assumed I was going to try to move the goalposts, though.
Lol, if downplaying the importance of things was an Olympic discipline, you would probably be a champion. “Yes but… And what about… Source?.. That doesn’t explain why…” Just admit you don’t care.
Cool quotes of things I never said, liar.
I never said I was quoting you, “liar” (no I am lol).
I don’t know what the deal with the pee tape was. The problem with Trump isn’t that he likes watersports. The problem is that he’s a far-right wannabe dictator.
Like, sure, it would be the source of endless jokes, but I doubt it would change anyone’s vote.
but I doubt it would change anyone’s vote.
The hypocrisy is annoying. A non Democrat has something mildly spicy and it’s all pearl clutching and condemnations. A republican assaults a woman and it’s “oh well she had it coming”
The right wing seems to have “in group” as the primary condition for judgement. Everything else is secondary. That is a horrible moral framework.
Obama was a national disgrace after he demeaned the office of the President. He’d put his feet on the Oval Office desk; he’d failed to properly salute his Marine guard; he wore a tan suit.
Trump restored dignity to the office by simulating oral sex at a campaign rally.
And by desecrating a military graveyard.
(On more than one occasion)
Also the parents and families of said interred soldiers, somefuckinghow to the cheers of the crowd. This shit makes me embarrassed to be American sometimes.
Dude saluted a foreign military officer, to the confusion of all.
And then staged a coup after being responsible for more American deaths than all of our wars combined. I’m starting to think this guy may not be on our side…
Has the audio actually been made available?
A clip can be found here
Hmm paywall for me. Thanks though I’ll find it somewhere
That’s what made the whole idiotic “pizzagate” and “Q” thing especially staggeringly stupid - Trump was cast as a selfless hero working desperately to save society. In real life, obviously, he’s an intensely selfish narcissistic dickbag. Of all the ridiculous claims involved in that, Trump being a noble savior is the least believable.
It’s like the chuckleheads writing this timeline spent a billion dollars on marketing consultants and focus groups to pick out the worst possible casting for “morally superior savior, plus secret genius subverting tyranny.”
he’s an intensely selfish narcissistic dickbag
I really don’t understand what people like about him. I mean, most politicians are narcissists, but Trump takes it to an entirely new level. I thought we collectively hated politicians, but somehow people seem to like Trump?
It boggles the mind…
Even better, they bitched and moaned about Epstein and Clinton (and probably still do). Trump is a special boy.
Clinton flew on Epstein’s plane or whatever.
Trump bragged about being best friends with Epstein and the kind of girls that Epstein always had around.
The hypocritical double standard of MAGA voters couldn’t be more blatant if it was intentional.
The hypocritical double standard of MAGA voters couldn’t be more blatant if it was intentional.
It is intentional. It’s always projection to poison the well.
It is intentional. Saying “Nuh uh! You!” Prevents any actual discussion about their own actions because people get distracted and baited into a defensive stance. It’s pretty silly that a toddler’s defense is an effective federal political strategy.
Every modern Republican strategy is disingenuous and immature. They personify a narcissistic abusive spouse to a T. Gaslight, lie, project, ignore inconvenient facts, distract, obstruct, and blame.
Clinton should absolutely be investigated and the book thrown at him if he’s guilty, though. Same as Trump.
Yeah, but Trump has basically confessed already and his voters give him a free pass while Clinton has an association that should be looked into. They are not even close to the same thing, but maga voters are treating it as the opposite of reality where they don’t care about Trump confessing.
I have Republican acquaintances who still make fucking Clinton/Lewinksi jokes. I’m not sure they’ve ever even heard of Epstein.
Elon wants to be taken back to the island
and yet the left still tries to debate them as if evidence and logic would change their minds one bit.
most of yall are beta cucks.
Awwww does someone need a hug?
Is it me? I could use one if you’re passing them out <3
I operate a hiking group…
People who are leaders, and people who pretend to be are completely different
When shit hits the fan, the ones who pretend become immediately obvious. Because you can’t shit talk your way when real leadership is needed
And sorry, but I’m my experience, the heavily right wing in our group are generally what cause these issues in the first place. And people most concerned with who are alphas, or who are beta “cucks” are never alpha
The concept of Alpha and Beta males comes from a poorly run study on wolf behavior. The author has admitted their conclusions were false. It’s a fake idea with nothing behind it. If you want to be taken seriously and engage with others you should remove terms like “beta cuck” from your brain and see the world in a different light. It brings to mind a scrawny, basement-dwelling 4chan kid. Certainly not an “Alpha”.
Well . . . yeah
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
“The modern conservative is engaged in one of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.”
If we’re doing quotes, this Sartre one is good:
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
Basically they often know they’re being absurd, but they don’t care. They use language for power and effect, not truth.
The bullshit asymmetry principle aka Brandolini’s Law which states that debunking bad faith claims is an order of magnitude more difficult than creating the bullshit to begin with is a natural consequence of this behavior, and it’s one the conservatives have used forever. The torrent of absolute bat shit crazy nonsense flooding right wing media is extremely difficult to pull someone out of once they’ve been drawn in. We need to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine
Trump just moved it to another level.
He is the In-group and everyone else is the Out-group all depending on how big of a shit he took in his diaper, how sweet the diet coke in his cup is, who the last he spoke to pointed him towards commenting at, and how many uppers he shoved down his throat with his big Mac.
Who said this
That’s more fascism than conservatism. But the two terms are used interchangeably enough these days that your statement holds. Modern day American conservatives don’t wish to conserve anything. They wish to promote fascism.
Eh, that’s more limited to the vocal minority. Unfortunately, that vocal minority is being supported by the quiet majority.
There are some reasonable conservatives in Congress that aren’t big Trumpers, but they don’t get the spotlight.
Fascism is just conservatism with the addition of hyper-nationalism and the blaming of minorities for all of society’s problems.
But the core belief, that some groups are inherently better than others, is exactly the same.
They’d like to conserve the power imbalance currently in favor of white men and wealthy people.
Yesterday I watched some lady hand-wave away Trump’s actions by saying “we’re all sinners, and trump deserves our forgiveness just like we deserve Jesus’ forgiveness”. I mean, first of all, none of us deserve Jesus forgiveness. That’s a core teaching in Christianity. The entire meaning of grace is that it’s given regardless of worthiness. Secondly, what kind of wack-ass logic is that? She thinks trump is the better choice because of his crimes, since it makes him more human. I’m sorry, what? Then she went on to rant about how illegal aliens are destroying the country. So, I guess only rich assholes get the grace treatment, and poor immigrants get the stick.
Yesterday I watched some lady hand-wave away Trump’s actions by saying “we’re all sinners, and trump deserves our forgiveness just like we deserve Jesus’ forgiveness”.
A couple of weeks ago I watched fucking John Fetterman make essentially the same argument, saying that we shouldn’t harp on Trump’s status as a convicted felon because Democrats are supposed to be “the party of forgiveness and redemption”. It’s hard to watch (some, not all) Democrat leaders falling over themselves in their attempts to give away political advantage.
What I hear when prominent Democrats say that is “we cannot let the precedent of leaders being held accountable be established”.
Al Franken fell on his sword pretty quick after a joke bit that everyone consented to but with very few exceptions our Dems are kinda just less racist blowhards who make use of the insider trading but don’t try to bring children into factories again. The Overton window only keeps moving right and it’s painful to see.
Okay so by her logic, why isn’t Harris and all the democrats deserving of forgiveness? Jesus forgave all. And Jesus also said Love your enemies.
You’re looking for rationality when no such thing is present.
Yeah I’m aware. I expect ridiculous arguments from these people, but sometimes it still makes me shake my head.
“you’re opinion is garbage” vs “shoot her in the face”
To suggest Republicans only argue in bad faith is to suggest that water is transparent.
Republicans hearing you mention “trans-parents”
Flint, Michigan has some questions…
Water isnt transparent if you define transparent as “incapable of transmitting light so that objects or images can be seen as if there were no intervening material”
Water also isn’t a liquid if I randomly change the definition of liquid
and it is if you don’t… this is why you aren’t invited to parties.
Frantic sounds of stirring up as much muck in water as possible
Quick, everyone shit in your water bottle to own the libs!
Because they will attack at every weakness democracy has to destroy it. They are not moralists, they’re invaders.
For them to be invaders they would have to be from somewhere else. These are home grown domestic terrorists spawned from our society and late-stage capitalism.
They are invaders in the sense they’ve invaded the minds of our friends and families with their fascist ideas.
