I am a tankie and voting for Biden lmao. The Prolitariat must be protected till enough class conciousness is achieved for Socialism to succeed.
You sound like a rational tankie, which by the definitions that lemmies have explained to me, would make you not a tankie.
“Anyone who thinks themselves a tankie is too self aware to be one” sounds like one of those fallacies you’d learn about in highschool. (What is a tankie, btw? I’ve been too scared to ask…)*
A tankie is, broadly, someone who wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods. It originally referred to those who defended the USSR using tanks to suppress the Hungarian Revolution, but it could be aptly used to describe those who defend China’s actions in Tiananmen Square. It’s rightfully used as a perjorative, since authoritarian enforcement is antithetical to leftism, particularly communism.
Tankies are hypocrites who didn’t understand their self-proclaimed ideologies. If someone’s idea of communist praxis is lining up dissenters for the firing squad, you’re dealing with a tankie.
wants to effect left-wing ideology using authoritarian methods
Odd. I’m getting called a tankie because I just won’t vote for Biden (or Trump). Someone must have gotten confused.
By their reasoning:
No vote for Biden is a vote for Trump. Trump is fascist and authoritarian. Tankies are authoritarians. Therefore, you are a tankie. /s
Lots of people say lots of silly things, nonetheless Trump is worse for the proletariat than Biden, and turning your nose up at the lesser evil endangers real people when the greater evil wins. You don’t have to vote for the greater evil to help tip the scales in their favor. Accelerationism is authoritarianism with extra steps and no one in the driver’s seat.
Biden doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden’s family doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. Biden’s campaign doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. The DNC leadership doesn’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries don’t accept blame for tipping the scale in their favor. Moderaters and political analysts don’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor. People like you letting those people get away with that and focusing on telling me to be quiet and vote for Biden don’t accept blame for tipping the scales in their favor.
I don’t accept blame for it either.
IDGAF who does or doesn’t accept blame for whatever. I care about material results; my future, my family’s future, my neighbors’ futures, the future of the people who live in this country, and this world. IDGAF how ideologically pure a politician is, or who’s wrong or right, or who gets away with whatever. I care about the people who are going to suffer if the Federalists, Fascists, and Fundamentalists keep establishing their foothold judge by judge, bill by bill, ruling by ruling.
This isn’t grade school, this isn’t a game, this isn’t about fair. There are real stakes here. People will die. I’m not heartless enough to play the blame game with lives on the line. I’m voting harm reduction because I’m an adult and I play the hand I’m dealt. Righteously losing doesn’t help anything but ego-centric deontology.
You get it! We can’t fuck over vulnerable people. We can’t abandon minorities and LGBT people. Even if we let things get worse to the point of a societal collapse, a lot of people will die because of it – and societal collapse has not historically led to better societies down the road.
Biden is literally arming a genocide. He was even adamant about his continued support for that. Meanwhile Dems led cities have brutally beaten up peaceful colelge protests and invited fascist MAGA mobs to attack minority students there.
The DNC and Biden do not protect minorities. They are white supremacists with just a bit more moderation to the means they employ, but they will absolutely resort to authoritarian crackdowns if they feel the minorities to step out of line by demanding justice and rights.
We can’t fuck over vulnerable people.
That’s what you’re doing when voting for Dems.
Go educate yourself, and then you can join the adult discussions.
Oh the irony.
Agreed, hopefully someday you understand it.
Right, you should educate yourself.
What vulnerable people are dems going after?
If you don’t know the answer to this already, I suppose the backlash against Biden from progressives might seem like bots or foreign propaganda.
Nope. I just understand democracy.
I feel like this reply is for someone else? We’re both coming from a leftist position. Democrats only think they’re being overrun with bots and propaganda because they aren’t actually politically informed enough to know the valid reasons why people don’t like them.
The poor is the most clear. Also black people, just look at our prisons, and the crime bill Joe Biden wrote
Show me. Tell me how the party of Obama and Harris are going after them.
That’s just prison stats. Nothing about what democrats are doing to make it worse
Yes, I see how you’re protecting me when you elect the party that would arrest me for being a “Public Danger” because of the fact that I’m trans.
If you would get off your ass and gather support for a decent party this wouldn’t be a problem.
“Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am”
“Stop being lazy and go improve a better party”
You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.
Your lack of support for Democrats may end up empowering people who will throw me in jail just for who I am
Your support of Dems is what prevents a real opposition to fascism.
You’re entitled to your opinion dude, but you were a major dick here.
Truth hurts, don’t care.
Here’s a brutal truth for you then. Being a raging, unapologetic jerk won’t progress your political goals. It’ll only make them harder to achieve.
Also, you’re a fucking asshole.
Last I tried my Socialist Party USA chapter belittled me, called me a rape apologist, and refused to do anything for the local community outside of shaming people for wanting to vote out Trump by any means possible.
That sucks, i bet there’s a more accepting party in your area for you. Try PSL or Green party
THANK YOU. It’s that fkin simple.
So simple, yet so hard for so many to understand.
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The Prolitariat must be protected
By consenting to corruption and a path to WWIII. That is not protecting them, in fact it is ensuring them a terrible future. If you cared about them, you would vote, volunteer, donate, and support the PSL, CPUSA, or Green party instead.
None of those parties have a ghost of a chance of winning, and with as razor thin as the win margins were in 2016 and 2020, I’m not confident Biden will win if we don’t vote for him. I sincerely hope I do not have to explain why Trump would be worse on literally every issue (especially Gaza) than Biden is.
Then do something about it instead of complain. I am, what are you doing? You vote for corruption.
Bro’s protest voting when the
WeimarAmerican Republic has Nazis on the ballot and thinks building “grassroots support” for the twentieth year in a row justifies it when the world is about to run out of time anywaysYou want Green candidates? Tell them to run as Democrats or make a fucking militia.
Dems are actually fascists, and you are as well for not only voting for them, but gathering support for them online when you could be doing that for a decent party.
The Democrat party is just as corrupt and bought out by corporations as the Republicans are, but at least they aren’t trying to get the country to circle the drain as quickly.
The past 4 years prove you wrong on that.
I’d vote for ToS era Pike over Trump. I’d vote for a candidate who only communicates via ouija board over Trump. I’d vote to not have a president for 4 years before I’d vote for Trump.
It’s crazy that Trump can get convicted of fraud, be found liable for sexual assault, promise to abuse presidential power to get revenge against those who cross him, actively undermine both national and global security, promise to round up millions and put them into camps, attempt to overthrow the election and refuse to not try it again, and so on, and his side is still so loyal they’ll wear solidarity diapers for him.
I’d vote to not have a president for 4 years before I’d vote for Trump.
And now I’m curious how many things depend on having a president at all, and what his role is, by design, in the US and other countries.
Cabinet and federal appointments are the big thing. That’s why I’ll take Biden over Trump. I’m not just voting for him, I’m voting for the 4000 jobs in energy, health, labor, transportation, etc. to be run by Democrats, liberals, and qualified people.
Trump, and project 2025 plan to fill all those roles with right wing nutjobs who will do anything to please the right. On top of those 4000, they’d expand the presidential appointment power to fire up to 45% of the federal workforce. Meteorologist who said the hurricane won’t hit Alabama? GONE! Doctor who said injecting bleach was a bad idea? FIRED!
I’ll take anyone who won’t put Project 2025 in motion.
I’d rather have an empty chair than Trump.
Maybe we don’t associate Biden with fascism frog
Pepe and his variations never represented any political ideology. The only thing that Pepe and Wojak represent is the internet
But it is. A symbol can mean different things in different context. For example, this hand gesture 👌 means okay in Western cultures but means something more insulting and offensive in Arab culture. Does that mean one is right and is the one and only representation of the gesture? Of course not. Same here. Swastikas have been around for thousands of years across many different cultures and has many different meanings. It’s just one variation of the symbol that ended up being used by the nazis and is offensive to most people. It’s silly and rather close minded to try to disregard all these disregard all these different context and meanings when many of them have been around for longer than the nazi variation. The principle applies here.
Please remember that this particular groyper meme is a literal copy of a Trump 2016 meme with the word “Trump” replaced with “Biden” and was deployed regularly by the alt-right. Please keep that in context while you give the argument that its in a totally different context. Its like responding to dog whistling accusations with more dog whistling.
Please remember that this particular groyper meme is a literal copy of a Trump 2016 meme with the word “Trump” replaced with “Biden” and was deployed regularly by the alt-right
So what? You have to stop doubling down on this idiotic argument because it is getting ridiculous. Guilt by association and purity are heavily frowned upon and criticized throughout history for a reason. Different things have different meanings in different contexts, and you can’t judge people without proper contexts and for things they’re not or didn’t do. This should be obvious, but for some reason it isn’t.
This meme and others like it all originate from 4chan and the other imageboards similar to it, and these boards are responsible for internet’s most famous memes. Just think about what has come out of 4chan for a second:
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Wojak and its variations
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Pepe and its variations
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LOLcats
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Pedobear
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Anonymous
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Rickrolling
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The popularization of Chocolate Rain
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Greentext
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Rage comics
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The ungodly origin of “Bronies”
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The Shia Labeouf fiasco
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The 4chan-Tumblr wars
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Pool’s closed
They are quite literally the foundation of internet culture. Everybody who grew up on the internet was used or at least enjoyed any of these. These imageboards are built on the idea that the internet is the wild west, where everybody no matter how tame or extreme, no matter how good or evil, and no matter how pragmatic or delusional can get together and shitpost. And guess what? 4chan and these other imageboards were ALWAYS cesspools filled pedos, Marxists, neo nazis, anarchists, racial supremacists, misogynists/misandrists, and so on, but at the same time, they’re also filled with a lot of normal people. Regardless, if we follow your logic, which is that anybody who has ever used any of these memes is a neo nazi by proxy then anybody who took part in mainstream Internet culture over the past 20 years is a neo nazi… which is obviously ridiculous.
Keep in mind, you’re right the groyper meme did originate from neo nazis but so did many other famous memes. I mean the latest famous variation of wojak, the chud, originated from some Marxist imageboard. Marxists are just as vile as neo nazis, does that mean anybody who used the chudjak meme is a Marxist? No, that’s stupid. The meme was started by Marxists, but it was used by a lot of other people, including those making fun of Marxists.
The point that I’m trying to make here is that memes serve as templates. Templates without content don’t mean anything, they’re just a structured blank document. Just like how symbols have different meanings in different contexts, so do these memes. If OP posted this same meme saying something like “Putin is still a great leader” then OP would be a fascist… but he’s not. His meme is about Biden.
Like seriously, do you honestly believe that OP is some secret neo nazi because he used a cartoon frog meme to make a pro Biden post? Even worse, do you seriously think that I’m also a secret neo nazi by proxy for pointing out that symbols and templates mean different things in different contexts? This is where you start crossing the line from a valid critic into a paranoid schizo or McCarthyist virute signaler.
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I’m not sure if OP understands what a Tanky is.
Tankie is just the blue version of Woke at this point
According to hexbear it’s just anything that’s not western/liberal
Considering that Biden’s main competitor is an actual neonazi and the USA have an undemocratic election system that disadvantages all but two parties, there’s pretty much no choice but the senile grandpa who’s not a neonazi.
In their moral justification, the argument of the lesser evil has played a prominent role. If you are confronted with two evils, the argument runs, it is your duty to opt for the lesser one, whereas it is irresponsible to refuse to choose altogether. Its weakness has always been that those who choose the lesser evil forget quickly that they chose evil.
-Hannah Arendt, German-American philosopher and political theorist, in fuckin 1964 lmao. some things never change!
Except that Biden is in no way evil. Being old is not evil, and his administration has done a lot of great things.
That’s right, the man bypassing congress to ship weapons for Israel to bomb refugee tents with is actually a smol bean good guy, that’s SO true
This premise depends on the assumption that “everyone is stupid except for me!”
We can sum up the sentiment as “don’t choose the lesser of two evils because you’re fucking moron that forgets things easily!”
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A tale as old as time
I think the real upsetting thing isn’t Biden’s performance, or having Biden as president for four more years. He achieved quite a bit after all. The real upsetting thing is the DNC being such cunts that they even pushed for this debate, hoping that Biden could win, only to deny and ignore Biden’s abhorrent performance immediately after. That Bernie got shafted twice by them, that is the really upsetting part.
It seems pretty obvious to me at this point that the DNC would rather lose than have an actual progressive win. None of the shitty things that Trump wants to do will hurt them, (stupid take if they cared at all about their descendants but they’re either too arrogant or too ignorant to worry about that) but actual progressive policies that helped average people WOULD hurt their way of life. Marginally. Like, the tiniest little amount. Like, your yacht can only have one master bedroom instead of four. But why give that up when you don’t have to?
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it”
I’m voting for Biden though, and I’ll keep voting as progressively as possible in the down ballot elections. If a progressive movement from the bottom up can start by doing things like getting rid of FPTP, we still have a chance. And to anyone thinking about not voting, please do. The president is one person. They are the single most powerful person individually, (taking aside impact on the judicial system) but the collective impact on your day to day life is far more influenced by down ballot positions. Research your down ballot candidates and vote. Many of those races are decided by only a handful of votes. Yours matters.
DNC would rather lose than have an actual progressive win
This was made perfectly clear in 2016 when Hillary stole the nom by colluding with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
If people haven’t caught on by now, they haven’t been paying attention. Or are just willfully ignorant.
I just want Taiwan to reunify with China, unfortunately no party in us supports that :(
please tell me this isn’t serious
Taiwan number one!
Number one province under Beijing
You wish! You guys are jealous the Taiwanese are better at being a country than you. So the only logical thing to do is take them down to your level to feel better about yourselves. Taiwan number one!
Taiwan is a province of China and has always been so. You are just an ignorant westerner who knows nothing about history or international relations. Your government only supports Taiwan because they need a useful tool to annoy China, not because they care about the welfare of the Taiwanese people. They would abandon you in a heartbeat if it served their interests elsewhere. But don’t worry, I’m sure the Chinese will take good care of them once they liberate that little island from its fake independence movement.
My government, which you know nothing about clearly, is at the very least not an oppressive bully that is China. Taiwan number one!
Yeah… sure. Not a tankie, I’m European and don’t care about influencing you to vote for one or another. But after seeing Biden “debate” Trump I know the dems are fucked. I mean sure, still go out and vote, but I honestly don’t see many people doing so.
I’m voting against Trump. Not thrilled to have a president who might have to have his Oval Office relocated to a nursing home.
I don’t expect either to last 4 more years. Especially Trump.
If Trump does win and dies while destroying the world, imagine what younger dictator would follow…
I’m more afraid of a smarter asshole. Trump’s the starting gun.
Dems don’t have a platform or a personality without Trump to lord over anyone they don’t like, but will take Trump over moving an inch left 100/100 times
Just because you don’t listen, doesn’t mean it’s not there. You should really look into it, I’m not going to spoonfeed you, be an adult, look it up.
Stay Mad, Liberal
That’s seriously your response, are you four years old?
Shoutout to how you’re not calling OP a child for literally the exact same statement but as soon as it’s turned around on you it’s suddenly some stupid baby saying for babies.
Libs in a nutshell.
What exactly was turned around on me? Do you even understand what you’re saying?
nt but as soon as it’s turned around on you it’s suddenly some stupid baby saying for babies.
You mean stupid baby sayings like Stay Mad, Liberal and Libs in a nutshell. Lmao
This is some weird ass propaganda.
The best thing that Biden ever did was just to not be Trump.
Why are these memes so weirdly die-hard in the support of a man that is visibly unfit for the 4 years of presidency?
No one is actually excited about old Joe. It’s just that he’s simply not Trump.
It would be best if he steps down so that we can get a person in office that actually excites people for more than just not being the other guy.
…I struggle to see how any sane individual would vote for either option. Or allow their emotions to be unnerved by “politics”. It is also concerning that more people are not aware of how the electoral process works. The popular vote bickering with one another while both sides laugh at you.
Please stop making decisions rooted in “the lesser of”. If you can pick between the “lesser of two evils” its because you’ve got evil in you…
…Someone is going to watch your child and you’re given two choices: one is a convicted pedophile and the other is a convicted murderer…
… for some of us, there is no choice to choose from. Even under duress we have free will. A gun to my head might influence my decision making, I still made a decision…I could have decided otherwise.
I wont get worked up over political theater. It’s more agonizing to witness them play the same trick, generation after generationn and yall keep drinking the kool-aid 🫤
So in your reality, what happens?
Seriously, what are you hoping to gain? What’s the desired effect?
The progressive faction just… never votes. What happens? Magic? Revolution?
You’re the sane one, so tell me.
@Pastabatman 😅… you read my comment & thought I’d engage in political banter with you😅 don’t insult my intelligence😆. Only to reply with political comparisons. Tells me you didn’t comprehend. Any retorts rooted in political jargon tells me the message was lost. The analogy isn’t exhaustive…nor was it used as direct synonyms for Biden & Trump…
Perhaps this will help bring it home…a quarter…is still a quarter no matter hown you flip it, or what side it lands on… you still engaged in commerce…
Yall gotta stop reading stuff online and cherry picking whatever triggered your emotion, being willfully obtuse, dismissing everything before during and after lol it’s so funny😆
@dodgy_bagel - I just skipped to the latter part of your reply. Nothing happens until, if ever, the masses can have a common understanding that is based on truth. Expecting the very thing that oppresses you to free you is asinine. Expecting a broken system, a broken process to fix itself is less than smart… you’ve been hoodwinked and bamboozled, the fix was in and has been in for generations. It’s nonsense once you unpack it all and once you do you see the world, things, as they are, and not as they should be. All the brilliant minds in the world and THESE two are your options 🤣😂 why are people so content on elderly people, specifically old white males in office. Living on this planet is definitely interesting to observe…I just smh🙄 what good do your words do if they can’t understand you…
K. You don’t read all of my short reply then I don’t read past the first sentence of your long winded reply.
You’re not a serious person.
All relative. Typical reply when you’ve got nothing😅
Hey! You read all of my comment this time. Thank you for extending the bare minimum of effort. In return, I’ll read your comments; It’s a reciprocal relationship.
So, in your view, elections change nothing and we’re all sheeple. True change will occur during the revolution; elections have no consequences. Answer me this:
For a trans woman, living in the American South, would another Trump presidency lower quality of life for her, raise it, or would it stay roughly the same?
I’m not trans so I couldn’t say. I’d have to do research.
I can say the continued LGBTQIALMNOPQRSTUV divisive behaviors aren’t doing anyone any favors. As long as its a separation, things will never evolve. Because they are treating certain sexual orientations as “special” when the root of that is a lack of. If being LGBTQIALMNOP wasn’t seen as “other” and just as regular as “straight” we wouldn’t have these silly debates and ignorant mindsets.
People have the right to live and exists, without needing an explanation for why they deserve to do so. This planet is so wicked and demonic. Hating someone because their sexual orientation, skin complexion, gender differs from your wheelhouse is insanity. Low intelligence.
I haven’t been alive long, yet long enough, I can’t think of 1 major issue that negatively impacted my life based on who was or wasn’t president. Fucked up, is fucked up, no matter whose in that chair. NONE of the past president’s have demonstrated anything on a higher level. They play to your emotions and it’s hilarious to sit back and watch people justifying bs…for generations they piss on your leg and tell you it’s raining… but I’m the conspiracy theorist for grabbing an umbrella… got it.
Also, if I’m anywhere,south north, ignorance is ignorance hate is hate. I don’t think it’s restricted to the south. I’m not trans but if the south was presenting serious issues, I’d be standing my ground, or relocating. Bullies stop being bullies when you fight back!
…Okay. Vibe check failed.
Based on what you wrote, I’m almost certain you can’t vote, so the topic is moot.
If you’re actually an adult… That’s sad.
The idea that there wouldn’t be bigotry if nobody made it a big deal is conservative Regan era white racism that you picked up from your parents. Maybe your grandparents.
The idea that “move or fight” are your two solutions is an infantile mindset. Why should I move away from the place of my birth because of who I am? To abandon my family and weaken my economic standing? How could I fight a man who wants to kick my teeth in because he found out I’m a tranny? What do I do when an employer denies me a job because I’m “not a good fit”?
You think presidents have no impact on our lives. You think Carter would have killed the same number of queers. You think Mondale would have had the same war on drugs. You think Gore would have loosened EPA regulations. You think Lieberman would have slashed corporate taxes. You think McCain and Romney would have appointed sane justices; that gay marriage would be legal. You think Clinton would have appointed anti abortion justices.
Every elder gay I know lost multiple friends in the 80s. My life was changed because of the Iraq war. The weather in my area is more erratic because of climate change. Who I was allowed to marry was changed by the obergefell decision. My ability to continue with IVF treatment was ceased due to the abortion ban.
No president has failed to affect my life. To say that they haven’t affected yours betrays your naivete, your privilege, or both.
Still drawing the line at genocide. Hate me.
“I’m going to stand around and let the genocide get worse, because I’m morally superior! 🤓☝️”
Much better to be a spineless key board warrior like .ml and also accomplish nothing while screeching about nuking the west.
Great work, you saved Palestine!
If you actually cared about genocide you’d get your thumb out of your ass and vote to reduce harm.
Yet you’re sitting here shitting yourself over people voting for the lesser of two evils to feel morally superior, as if that’s going to help Palestinians. Good job.
No one minds you voting for Biden believe it or not. We do mind being demonized and straw-personed for not voting for him.
Sure, if you are comfortable with the moral liability of fascism them we probably don’t get along.
I’m fine with the moral liability of supporting genocide. That’s why I’m voting for Biden.
