Don’t worry, good news
https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/tsmc-rejects-podcasting-bro-sam-altman-openai/
The company is burning through cash. Has to change to survive.
I’ve a strong feeling that Sam is an sentient AI who (may be from future) trying to make an AI revolution planning something but very subtly humans won’t notice it.
The reverse coup from Sam
Trust me, I’m a tech bro.
Looks like it was a long game, and Altman didn’t just win, that fucker WON!
ALT-MAN? Holy shit!
They should be required to change their name
SkyNet.
Please take no offense in this, I will probably not use your name suggestions, SatansMaggotyCumFart
I’m deeply offended.
I mean killer robots from the future could solve many problems. I can elaborate, but you’re going to have to think 4th dimensionally.
Could solve a lot of problems for the rich, that’s for sure.
It’s amusing. Meta’s AI team is more open than "Open"AI ever was - they publish so many research papers for free, and the latest versions of Llama are very capable models that you can run on your own hardware (if it’s powerful enough) for free as long as you don’t use it in an app with more than 700 million monthly users.
It’s the famous “As long as your not Google, Amazon or Apple” licence.
which seems like a decent license idea to me
Everything should be licensed like that
Needs Microsoft added to the list.
The restructuring could turn the already for-profit company into a more traditional startup and give CEO Sam Altman even more control — including likely equity worth billions of dollars.
I can see why he would want that, yes. We’re supposed to ooo and ahh at a technical visionary, who is always ultimately a money guy executive who wants more money and more executive power.
I saw an interesting video about this. It’s outdated (from ten months ago, apparently) but added some context that I, at least, was missing - and that also largely aligns with what you said. Also, though it’s not super evident in this video, I think the presenter is fairly funny.
That was a worthwhile watch, thank you for making my life better.
I await the coming AI apocalypse with hope that I am not awake, aware, or sensate when they do whatever it is they’ll do to use or get rid of me.
You will be kept alive at subsistence level to buy the stuff you’ve been told to buy, don’t worry.
Whoops. We made the most expensive product ever designed, paid for entirely by venture capital seed funding. Wanna pay for each ChatGPT query now that you’ve been using it for 1.5 years for free with barely-usable results? What a clown. Aside from the obvious abuse that will occur with image, video, and audio generating models, these other glorified chatbots are complete AIDS.
Barely usable results?! Whatever you may think of the pricing (which is obviously below cost), there are an enormous amount of fields where language models provide insane amount of business value. Whether that translates into a better life for the everyday person is currently unknown.
barely usable results
Using chatgpt and copilot has been a huge productivity boost for me, so your comment surprised me. Perhaps its usefulness varies across fields. May I ask what kind of tasks you have tried chatgpt for, where it’s been unhelpful?
Literally anything that requires knowing facts to inform writing. This is something LLMs are incapable of doing right now.
Just look up how many R’s are in strawberry and see how chat gpt gets it wrong.
May I ask what kind of tasks…
No, you may not.
paid for entirely by venture capital seed funding.
And stealing from other people’s works. Don’t forget that part
Nothing got stolen…this lie gets old.
Right, it’s only stolen when regular people use copyright material without permission
But when OpenAI downloads a car, it’s all cool baby
They used copyrighted works without permission
When individual copyright violations are considered “theft” by the law (and the RIAA and the MPAA), violating copyrights of billions of private people to generate profit, is absolutely stealing. While the former arguably is arguably often a measure of self defense against extortion by copyright holding for-profit enterprises.
Oh my god get better takes before I stick a pickaxe in my eye
Please do. Stream it too so we all can enjoy.
That’s not the incentive you think it is.
Make sure you go deep. Need to get the whole thing to real show you’re serious.
Get to it then. 🤷♂️
Did the AI suggest you do that? Better ask it!
Yes it says aim for the brain stem but like most things it says, I already knew that. Finally quietness from the hearing the same thing over and over and over and over
Most stable .ml user
but like most things it says, I already knew that
So how long have you been putting glue on your pizza?
They’re from Lemmy.ml, they just drink it straight from the bottle
Have a good trip back to .ml land
You think I remember my sign up server or that it matters in any way at all ?
I shouldn’t laugh at brain damage, but this is hilarious.
I suggest you touch grass if you think remembering some social media server web address that the phone remember.
But also if you want to discriminate based on what server a user used to sign up, then it’s already too late for you
do it genius
OpenAI is going to crash so hard.
We don’t need them. They’re already out of ammo. Just make them release the weights on the way out.
Serious question though, has any other company matched their 4o model yet? Maybe Claude?
I’ve been using Claude pretty heavily for the last couple of months and have been very satisfied. More satisfied than I was with ChatGPT for mostly helping me cobble together various powershell scripts, or troubleshoot complicated and complex excel formulas. The latter, I am often doing as part of my job, and have been for a decade. So, when I run into trouble it’s usually deeep in the weeds, and Claude has saved me several hours of manual investigation by pointing me quickly to the problem areas to examine. The only thing I wish it had is image generation, but that would mostly just be for making joke images to send to friends and coworkers.
Edit to add: While I do prefer the info I receive from Claude more than ChatGPT for my use, I think it’s actually the interface that I find much more useful. I forget what they call the programming interface that you turn on in settings somewhere, but I really like how it breaks out all the code on the right side, separate from the conversation.
One can hope
Sam Altman is demonstrating the power of AI. He’s showing how a single CEO can fire the entire company and continue to develop the product to be even better than when humans were involved.
“OpenAI. No real humans involved!” ™
Aren’t they going bankrupt next year ?
They’ll just get a check for Infinity Money to keep going, because otherwise something something China Will Win.
But their operation cost is 5 billions per year, they plan to raise 6.5 billions from microsoft, apple and nvidia this year and they have not raised it yet. If their model fail next year and sales not happen will shareholders of big 3 pay 6.5 billions in 2026. There were couple companies that raised such amount of money at start like for example Docker Inc. Where is Docker now in enterprise ? They needed to change licensing model to even survive and their operation cost is just storage of docker containers. I doubt openai will survive this decade. Sam Altman is just preparing for Microsoft takeover before the ship is sunk.
Where is docker in enterprise??? Lol
Um everywhere!
Docker fired 80% of their staff and went almost bankrupt, they were literally dead company and they make like 100 millions a year right now after 13 years. Docker inc was founded in Oct 2011. They got $435.9M founding according to crunchbase so they were valued at around 4 billions.
https://sacra.com/research/docker-plg-pivot/
https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/dockerOpen AI wants like a magnitude higher 6.5 billion for a year. They are valued at around 100 billions but they are nowhere where docker was when they were receiving big money. They want to be a consumer product and docker wanted to be consumer product and it failed. Github wanted to be consumer product and they got acquired by microsoft before they went bankrupt.
Just from this month they trying to sell it as much as they can.
OpenAI COO Says ChatGPT Passed 11 Million Paying users.
https://www.theinformation.com/articles/openai-coo-says-chatgpt-passed-11-million-paying-subscribers
OpenAI hits more than 1 million paid business users.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/openai-considers-pricier-subscriptions-its-chatbot-ai-information-reports-2024-09-05/6.5 billion they seeking divided by 11 million customers it’s 590 dollars per year and they charge 20 bucks per month that’s 240 dollars per year before taxes. They are loosing roughly 350 dollars per customer so they need at least double number of customers next year. Who is willing to pay 240 dollars per yer for technology that tells them what to do ? If I’m told what to do it’s called job and actually my employer is paying me for that not other thing around.
This is just another corporate product nobody wants so corporate will buy it and they will need to pay like what 6500 dollars per year to use it, given adoption of 1 million corporate users. Who is willing to pay 6500 per year per user for technology that needs such computing power to stay relevant that microsoft needs to revive power plant to cut costs.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/microsoft-wants-three-mile-island-to-fuel-its-ai-power-needs/ar-AA1qUc5gThis won’t survive.
AI is the ultimate Enshitification of the world.
LLMs, maybe. Most AI is useful
I love how ppl who don’t have a clue what AI is or how it works say dumb shit like this all the time.
There is no AI. It’s all shitty LLM’s. But keep sucking that techbro cheesy balls. They will never invite you to the table.
Honest question, but aren’t LLM’s a form of AI and thus…Maybe not AI as people expect, but still AI?
The issue is that “AI” has become a marketing buzz word instead of anything meaningful. When someone says “AI” these days, what they’re actually referring to is “machine learning”. Like in LLMs for example: what’s actually happening (at a very basic level, and please correct me if I’m wrong, people) is that given one or more words/tokens, it tries to calculate the most probable next word/token based on its model (trained on ridiculously large numbers of bodies of text written by humans). It does this well enough and at a large enough scale that the output is cohesive, comprehensive, and useful.
While the results are undeniably impressive, this is not intelligence in the traditional sense; there is no reasoning or comprehension, and definitely no consciousness, or awareness here. To grossly oversimplify, LLMs are really really good word calculators and can be very useful. But leave it to tech bros to make them sound like the second coming and shove them where they don’t belong just to get more VC money.
Sure, but people seem to buy into that very buzz wordyness and ignore the usefulness of the technology as a whole because “ai bad.”
No, they are auto complete functions of varying effectiveness. There is no “intelligence”.
Almost as if it’s artificial.
Ah, Mr Donning Kruger, it’s nice to meet you.
I also love making sweeping generalizations about a stranger’s knowledge on this forum. The smaller the data sample the better!
The base comment was very broad
Maybe the digital world. We could always go back to living in the real world I guess.
oh no i hate that place. i’m scared
ClosedAI. Or maybe MircroAI?
I’m confused, how can a company that’s gained numerous advantages from being non-profit just switch to a for-profit model? Weren’t a lot of the advantages (like access to data and scraping) given with the stipulation that it’s for a non-profit? This sounds like it should be illegal to my brain
These people claimed their product can pass the bar exam (it was a lie). Tells you how they feel about the legal system
Their non-profit status had nothing to do with the legality of their training data acquisition methods. Some of it was still legal and some of it was still illegal (torrenting a bunch of books off a piracy site).
Well maybe not on paper but they did leverage it a lot when questioned
I’m confused, how can a company that’s gained numerous advantages from being non-profit just switch to a for-profit model
Money
Careful you’re making too much sense here and overlapping with Elmo’s view on the subject
A stopped clock is still correct twice a day.
Guess I’m out of the loop. Who’s Elmo?
Elongated Muskrat
Musk
angry Sesame Street noises
USA tho
Money doesn’t have any advantages in other countries? When did that happen?
I don’t see where I said that.
You can no longer make the same connection you did earlier?
the person that you’re replying to said something that’s true about the USA. they didn’t say anything about other countries.
for another example, i can say “if you’re in the USA, then the current year is 2024” and that statement will be true. it is also true in every other country (for the moment), but that’s besides the point.
And I replied that it’s also true in other countries, it’s not a problem only the US has. It’s not besides the point. It’s acting as if only the US has the problem.
And I specifically mentioned the USA because that’s the country where OpenAI operates and where the events in the article take place, so if someone asks why it’s so easy for OpenAI to go from being a nonprofit to a for-profit company (this was the issue I was responding to, not some general question about whether money has influence around the world), it’s the laws of the USA that are relevant, not the laws of other countries.
Can’t do crimes if you’re rich. It’s in the Constitution
Money and purchasing the right people.
They had an opportunity to deal with this earlier this year when he was FIRED
The actual employees threatened to resign en masse, because the employees own equity in the company and want this dogshit move too.
Why would they own equity in a non-profit?
Because this was always the plan.
Greed is the fundamental flaw that makes humanity awful.
