It would be so funny if the EU decided Sony was a gatekeeper on the consoles without disc drives and forced them to allow 3rd party app store on them.
Hey, a guy can dream.
What the EU actually needs to do is to spearhead and help find everyone a way to actually “own” digital things. I think I’d be fine with not having a disk drive if I could buy my game, not be reliant on servers to download it in the future, trade my games with friends, and choose to sell it when I felt like it.
We need to find a way to get back (most of) the benefits of physical media without actually having to go back to it.
“If a game needs a server and the official servers shut down, the protocols have to be released to the public”. I think it would be a good starting point.
Imo, the term “buy” for all goods should pass some sort of litmus test. Eg:
does the product being sold have the same properties as a brick?
- can the product be resold privately?
- can the product be lent to another user temporarily?
- would the product still perform its function when the manufacturer stops supporting it?
- would the product still perform its function if the manufacturer ceased to exist.
if the product does not pass all these tests, the customer is not buying. Consider using terms such as ‘rent’ or ‘lease’ or ‘subscription’
I hate that that’s even a possibility lol
I think the steam deck is genuinely the only console worth buying these days.
I REALLY want Sony to release a handheld that can run PS1, PS2 and PS3 games 🥺
So…steamdeck lol
I wouldn’t trust Sony to not fuck that up somehow like everything they do.
They’d give it a 2 hour battery 😂
Playing witcher 2 at decent FPS only gives me 2 hours on the original steam deck
To be honest my steam Deck doesn’t go that far beyond 4h either on a single charge when I lower all the settings.
That’s the one drag for me about the PS5 contrllers, the battery life before recharging. The PS3 controller did great, but the PS5 ones have so many features built in they die to quick for my liking.
Vita can Run 99% of PS1 games “natively” and has a bunch of PS2 ports (some through PSP). Not PS3 though.
That’s the Steam Deck.
Wait can it run ps3 emulators?
Double wait are ps3 emulators working now? I remember pscx2 or whatever being buggy as shit.
TLDR I’m ancient in internet years
RPCS3 can run most PS3 games but Steam Deck may fall short in some of them. Recommended specs include 6 core CPU but Deck has 4.
Going by core count alone is a pretty shitty metric for CPU performance. The 4 core APU in the steam deck will outperform an 8 core bulldozer cpu by any metric
Except for power consumption and heat generation ;-) This is where Bulldozers were hot shit!
It’s also worth noting that even Sony can’t be bothered to properly emulate the PS3, which has resulted in many PS3-era games being remade into either native PC versions, or PS4/5 titles.
While it’s true that there are still some PS3-exclusive games that aren’t available in other formats, many of them are, so most people can get pretty far without needing PS3 emulation.
I only bring that up for anyone that may think they need PS3 emulation, but maybe haven’t been made aware of newer remakes or native PC ports of the games they’re actually looking for.
To be fair, PS2 emulation is still not that great, but I guess it’s due to sheer amount of games for that system. Last summer I decided to check the PS2 emulation after 10 year break and 2 out of 3 games I tested didn’t work properly. Granted, those are kinda niche games (Transformers (2004) and Free Running), but compatibility still needs work. Hardware requirements are decently low for the games that do work, though.
I’m gonna blow your mind by telling you there are already working PS4 and Xbox One emulators, although both only support a small number of games so far
PS3 and Xbox 360 can be emulated very well by a modern PC, the majority of games work without glitches
PS4 is actually easier to emulate than PS3, because former has regular x86 architecture, but latter has a very weird CELL/PowerPC architecture CPU.
PS3 is the trickiest. They had that weird Cell architecture which is more difficult to emulate than simply “less-powerful x86” emulation required for more-recent consoles.
I’ve had good experiences emulating PS2 on my Steam Deck. PS3 I haven’t gotten anything to run well enough that I’d call it enjoyable. Some don’t run at all
I’m genuinely curious to how those things are going to sell. My knee jerk reaction is ‘oh hell no’ but there’s a lotta console players out there that want the power but just don’t want to get into PC gaming. Of course there seems to be a lot of people still playing on last gen consoles too so I have no idea where that’s going.
My PS4, PS3, PS2 are all working quite well.
The problem is the reason those people don’t get into PC gaming is because they don’t wanna spend $700 on a gaming machine.
I can say that for myself it’s not really just the price. I don’t have space to put a computer. With a console I can hook it to the TV and tuck it up under it. When I wanna play I can grab just the controller and sit on the couch. I like simplicity. With a pc I need a mouse, keyboard, desk, a chair, speakers, and a monitor. I know it can be hooked up to a tv however the tower still stands as an issue. The smaller compact towers that can be tucked have limited capabilities that rest below consoles.
On top of all that PCs are regularly getting releases years after a games release. PC gaming is only superior if the things going to be entirely utilized by the person and for some reason a lot of PC gamers think the average person will be doing so when that’s simply not the case.
That’s not necessarily true. I want my gaming to just work, and that’s not the case in Windows. It’s becoming less the case with console gaming, but I can still be confident that when I buy a game for my PlayStation it’ll actually boot, I won’t need to use third-party software for controller support, and I won’t need to tinker with drivers. That said, I already have a PS5. The TV I game on is still 1080p, so I don’t understand what $700 would get me over my current hardware.
Debt.
I can still be confident that when I buy a game for my PlayStation it’ll actually boot, I won’t need to use third-party software for controller support, and I won’t need to tinker with drivers.
Sounds like your last pc gaming experience was in the 90s.
Yeah, steam straight up tells you if games have support for controllers, and they are all plug-and-play…
I did have to install 3rd part drivers for Dualshock 3. And I will follow a GitHub guide when the gaming PC is upgraded to Win11 and Logitech f710 no longer works. https://gist.github.com/bsamadi/4d4070658b7ea4ee7960cae40a7fccb4
Well, you CAN actually use that 18 years old hardware with a PC. Try it on a PS5.
The other way around is actually supported
I don’t have a ps3 controller to try, but the internet seems to say no pretty unanimously.
Most people that I’ve spoken to don’t mention the price. They usually talk about how they just don’t know how to get games in the first place and start talking about settings and updates that they always hear about. That being said, I still don’t know like I said lol. I’m just curious and want to see how it goes.
I mean the same people bought PS5s at launch from scalpers.
Nah from what I’ve heard is because they perceive as being very complex, more so than it actually is.
Ahhhh, so my ps5 is the most superior PlayStation still, good to know.
It’s not, but it’s the most reasonable purchase.
I see lots of people in this thread saying to go to the PC or the Steam Deck, but are we ignoring that both systems do not have a disc drive too?
I mean, aside from the disgusting price of the PS5 Pro not having a disc drive is the biggest offender (and the reason why I am not even considering buying it, despite being a Sony user since the 1st unit).
It’s too expensive. $500 is already too much for these things.
But capitalism’s gotta capitalism.
$700 is actually probably a fair price for a PS5. You can’t really build an equivalent PC for less than that. $900 to $1,200 would probably be close to how much manufacturing the PS5 Pro costs.
But PSN subsidizes these costs, which is why these systems can be this “affordable”.
900 to 1200’s an insane guess. This many years out R&D’s sure to have chilled out and companies that buy parts by the millions get them at much lower prices than individuals, plus partner companies that kit out their facilities to manufacture those parts recoup their investments in those facilities over time as well. I’m sure Sony’s still taking a few bucks hit on the sale of a console but it’s nowhere near close to double.
the fuck you are smoking? my first desktop kost that much and it ran crysis really fucking good
These days a good GPU costs almost $700 just by itself, mid range is almost $500, value is $400, budget is $250
The 4060 or the 7600xt are about in the ballpark for the original ps5, but you can’t beat the price if you don’t already have a computer with most of the components
Better than a PS5 Pro? Bruh 😂
Adjusted to inflation and time, hell yes
I doubt it costs that much. You’re looking at it from buying PC components perspective. But they are mass producing identical boards with components that are 4+ years old by now, except the GPU. The cost of production is probably around the same as it was for non-Pro when it was released.
If you think $700 is bad, it’ll be £700 in the UK.
Which is $913.
Also:
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median household income, UK (2022): £32,400 ($42,265)
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median household income, USA (2022): $74,580
A PS5 Pro is 26% of the typical UK household monthly income.
A PS5 Pro is 11% of the typical US household monthly income.
The US pricing is bad. The UK pricing is absolutely insane.
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Lol, e-waste
Total waste of sand.
IDK, something like this will probably be MOD. There’ll be minimal waste here.
Seriously though. Just buy a shelf and spend all of your money on anime figurines of you want to collect something that can still contribute micro plastics to the oceans.
Nintendo is going to continue to eat everybody’s lunch with decisions like this one
for that value just get a pc honestly not a locked down freebsd based console
No joke. A decent gaming pc can be built around that price and be used for so much more. Even cheaper if you hunt for used parts.
true and if you really want that console experience install smth like bazzite,holoiso,nobara home cinema edition (non immutable),etc and dualboot windows for app compatibility you can use playnite on windows to make it look like a ps5
That sounds like a lot of hassle for someone who doesn’t want hassle.
People who buy consoles do it for the “press a button to game”.
Not necessarily because they don’t understand pc’s, but because they don’t want the faff.For me, console gaming was for when my desktop rig was doing a video export or 3d render. It was when I wanted to sit on the couch and not be too invested in what I was playing with.
Wow, just buy or build a comparable PC at that price point
How much space does it come out of the box? I bought my PS5 a year ago.
It came with 667GB of space. Some games take up 100gb.
And now you want to make it digital only??? Uhhhh, fuck that. You better be giving me like 1000 terabytes.
The pro upped the storage to 2TB, but I really feel like when the PS5 launched we were at the point where they should have shipped with 4TB drives.
I’m not going to defend the Pro exactly, but out of curiosity what is your usecase for needing so much storage on a console? Multiple users? Bad Internet? I feel like I have a max of 1-3 active games at a time, and can just delete and download/install them as needed. Works just fine for me so I feel like something else must be going on.
I have a 2TB SSD plugged into my 1TB Xbox. It’s all full. Average game size is 50+ gb these days. Some games easily surpass 100gb. Even with my better-than-average 300mbps connection games can easily take over an hour to download. No fucking way I’m only keeping 1-3 games and downloading as needed.
I haven’t built a new computer in awhile, but 4tb ssd would have costed more than the console when it launched would it have not? Unless you are saying they should have shipped with a hybrid SSD/HDD setup. Not sure if read/write speeds would hold up to the frame rates needed for their games now.
You can get a 4TB NVME SSD (i.e. what the PS5 uses) for 200 USD these days.
I agree with the sentiment, but the games don’t play off the disc. The discs contain the game data that is installed to the SSD. You’re using the same amount of storage whether you buy games physically or digitally. I buy mine physically because I like actually owning the game I paid $70 for.
You’re using the same amount of storage whether you buy games physically or digitally.
The difference being that you can load the content back onto the SSD at will, and regardless of server statuses… A lot of people have bandwidth caps or live in places with shit internet speeds.
Completely different strategy: the PS4 generation has produced a lot of games, sony could have stopped trying to compete with the high end PC market and gone in the Nintendo direction. Gives us new ways to access their library, give developers new tools to play with, release a 2nd mid-gen refresh and release a ps4 slim that is equivalent to the ps4 pro, encourage games for new ps4-slim and ps4 pro+. What do you think?
It was pretty much a given that this would happen, since there were already options with and without disc drives.
And obviously sooner or later gaming will probably move to an entirely online service like streaming.
It’s just a matter of time until the internet and worldwide coverage is ready for it. I always imagined that in a distant future we’d basically only buy a controller, that connects to an app that’ll let you stream. And every game will be in a subscription service like a Netflix.
Nah, they won’t do streaming cuz it’s too expensive.
Well, for now it is. Latency is also a big issue
No, it will always be more expensive to do streaming unless you run everything on crappy hardware
You can get a gaming laptop for that stick bazzite on it or use steam big picture on launch you’ve got a platform that does +60fps 4k HDR with 40 years worth of games. Consoles are getting very close to being irrelevant unless you like sports titles.
It won’t do 4k 60fps HDR, but it can play 40 years worth of games, and also do office and productivity work while being portable to take it outside of your home.
Theres only been one reason to buy a console for over a decade:
Exclusives and Natively Developed Titles.
Sure, you can play Monster Hunter World and The Last of Us on PC, but they look worse and handle like a classic japanese car.
A classic Japanese car? Like those nimble little things that drift down crazy steep mountains and stuff?
Lmfao yeh those Nissan Cherry Alfa were real nimble.
That’s definitely not what came to mind when I read “classic Japanese cars”, my mind went to stuff like the Toyota AE86 and the Miata. And from there, to the likes of the Mitsubishi Lancer, Toyota Supra, Subaru Impreza, Nissan Skyline, all those cars I drooled over when I used to play Gran Turismo as a kid (and still drool over, tbh).
+60fps 2160p from a $700 camping laptop is… unlikely. Unless you only play old games or really light stuff.
I think the PS5 doesn’t come with a monitor so, why a laptop?
It also doesn’t run off battery power, hardly apples to apples.
I do even more appropriate if you count DLSS like the pro is, “play older games” basically what Sony has atm
Even with DLSS or FSR, you’d have to be at a decent resolution for upscaling to 4K not to look bad.
“play older games” basically what Sony has atm
I don’t really get what you mean. Almost all new games that come out will have a PS5 version.
The PS5 pro is using similar scaling tech, but both my Bazztie “consoles” can play some games native 4k, and using DLSS/FSR with a 2k signal like the pro will be doing obviously gains more titles.
The older games are referring to the PS5 pro line up, it’s all older games that most pc builds around this price can compete with. List taken from Polygon:
- Gran Turismo 7 (supports ray traced reflections between cars in gameplay at 4K 60fps, and a dedicated 8K mode, according to CNET)
- Horizon Forbidden West (as well as an overall “detail boost,” there are “improvements to lighting and visual effects” and to “hair and the skin in cinematics,” according to Mark Cerny)
- Marvel’s Spider-Man 2 (high resolutions and detail at a distance, including the trees and procedural cars)
- Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart (distant details will be more clear, such as during the opening parade scene)
- The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered (offers greater visual detail at 60 frames per second, including sharper details at a distance)
- Demon’s Souls (no specific enhancements outlined)
I used laptops as an example for someone who does not want to build, but my living room one is a mid AM4 from 2019 build that I put an AMD Radeon RX 6800 XT in. So about £800 build the cost of the upper end PS5 pro and not far off the base. My Nitro 5 was £700.
My comment was more about the irrelevancy of consoles once they start getting past the £500 mark, used to be that you’d have a good advantage over a mid-tier PC for about 2 years. Now it’s basically on par for the same money short of wanting to play exclusives, which Sony hasn’t really been pumping out this gen. Where the PC library is huge, add in Emulation and it’s even bigger.
*1440p upscaled from 720p
Or don’t max settings
Even not running at max, you won’t get anywhere near 4K 60fps on a $700 laptop. A laptop 4050 at 45W (the best you’re going to get at the price) will only achieve 80fps in GTA V at 1080p high (not max). What chance will it stand at 4K? Then remember that that’s an 11 year old game (albeit one that’s had updates).
Even if it did have the horsepower, the 6GB VRAM would be used up immediately and render games unplayable.
I think people are underestimating how expensive gaming laptops have become. The $700 ones are good for eSports and old games. They are not 4K gaming machines.
Then on top of that, the laptops in that price range will have a 250-500GB SSD. Not enough for a reasonable amount of new games.
Using a laptop as a console that you can occasionally unplug and play on the go is a good idea. But if you want 4K you’re gonna be paying a hell of a lot more than $700 lol
laptop
You’re paying a lot of money for the portability.
Unfortunately I like a couple of sports titles
Paystation
