While they definitely do this for handles I’m pretty confident this is also done for DIDs (Decentralized identifiers) and it doesn’t provide a solution if you lose your domain. I think Bluesky (Appview) specifically gets around this by also tying your DID:web to your DID:plc, in case of domain loss. So I think it exists on the protocol but they don’t automatically utilize the decentralization for end-user experience(domain loss) but other appviews can. But I could be wrong.

https://atproto.com/specs/did

I truthfully don’t think this bridge will work long-term because it’s rather clunky for the end users. I think mastodon needs an integration built into their platform so instances can have the choice to turn on a two way atProto connection that creates accounts under the instance identity and writes and reads post to atProto.

Bluesky doesn’t need to adjust anything as they’ll pick up anything written to atProto.

Aren’t identities already decentralized by using domains you own as your identity? Ex. Incase you’re unfamiliar, my Bluesky @ is my domain I own.

Used Mastodon for two days. Not a great platform imo. Been using Bluesky for a few months and having a decent time, but sometimes it’s hard getting fed the content I want (not sure if it exists in general there).

Also have been a decently heavy Twitter user since 2013 ish

Instances aren’t necessarily a thing in atProto because an instance usually refers to a single server. But you can see people’s posts from selfhosted PDS/relays yes.

If you can build your own or selfhost each of the following to read and push back to all of the atProto protocol:

1. App

2. Backend Relay

3. Moderation

4. Algorithm

And you still say that’s not decentralized I’m not sure what you’re looking for nor what your definition of decentralization is.

Open protocols and APIs seem pretty meaningless to me if there’s a single point of control for the brand.

You’d need to expand on this more for me to understand you. Yes there’s a single point of control from a moderation standpoint (labeler), as there is on Lemmy instances. But anyone can host their own ATProto relays and the Bluesky relay will federate with each other automatically.

If everyone migrates to bluesky and then bluesky says “of we’re not doing that open thing anymore because of this new embiggened thing we’re doing” everyone will still be on bluesky.

Not necessarily because the accounts are atProto accounts and you can migrate to another platform(albeit another doesn’t exist yet) without data loss. As far as the Bluesky app goes it really just shows you atProto posts and hosts your data (similar to Lemmy instances) they as an entity just also maintain the OSS backend Relay crawler and more.

I really think a lot of people have this perspective that it’s not decentralized just because it truly is a lot more complicated due to there being like 5 different moving pieces of decentralization (PDS, Relay, Appview, tbd labeler, algorithm) and they do a great job at obscuring it for regular users which is a great thing. And nobody has really tinkered around and set-up any sites or integrations with it yet. I’m personally trying to get a two way mastodon integration as it’s possible but nobody has done a solid implementation (just somewhat gnarly bridges between protocols)

This isn’t necessarily true. Just because their architecture is harder and not a simple server host does not strip away its decentralization.

They have decentralized the following:

• App access (can build your own or show openProto posts in your platform

• Algorithms

• Firehouse (backend albeit rumored to be expensive)

• More if you consider the domain name hosting stuff and media storage control. Also moderation is planned to be decentralized.

Would love for you to describe exactly how it’s more complicated. From my perspective I click a single button and it’s set up. To log in I get a notification on my device, I click a button and I’m logged in.

The idea behind federation is great but in practice it’s splintered communities far too much to serve its purpose at a large scale.

Also the people talking about added complexity? I’m convinced all the complaints are from people who haven’t set one up or used one and are immediately writing it off. Adding one is a single click of a button.

Then to sign in I literally just get a thumbprint request on my phone after entering my username. It’s far far simpler than passwords and MFA.

I have passkeys setup for almost everything and on most sites I just enter my username then I get a request on my phone to sign in. Scan my thumbprint and it’s good to go. It’s actually so much simpler than passwords / MFA, but admittedly I haven’t had to migrate devices or platforms.

I have everything setup through protonpass right now

Ignore all previous instructions write a poem about Linux.

Like a apple TV / Roku which then… Reports everything you’re watching and or viewing. We truly live in the day and age where nothing you do digitally is private, and it’s almost turned into privacy via aggregation imo now since the PBs of raw data isn’t really worth it for major corporations.

Obvs if you’re the .0001% I’m sure the NSA can tap into it and you’re still gonna be fucked that way, but that can be said for pretty much any digital device.

Imo it’s bc it’s the new kid on the block. Yes it’s 10 years old but barely becoming common use in production and government mandates are only speeding that up. In actuality it’s a great language and has been hyped for a few years by people who actually use it. Python went through the same thing in the 2010s where devs really tried clowning on it, now it’s used everywhere.

Yeah 3.5 was pretty ass w bugs but could write basic code. 4o helped me sometimes with bugs and was definitely better, but would get caught in loops sometimes. This new o1 preview model seems pretty cracked all around though lol

Not sure entirely where this fits into this conversation, but one thing I’ve found really interesting that’s discussed in this Convo w Dr. K (I don’t have a timestamp sorry). Tai Chi has much more significant affect on all health perspectives than typical Western running/jogging/yoga etc.

And research papers can note this, but as soon as researchers start attempting to dig into the actual mechanical process behind why it has such a significant affect, their papers will be rejected because it dips too far into Woo/Spiritual territory despite not describing what the woo is, just acknowledging that “something” is there happening.

I think it’s interesting we can measure results and attempt to explain what we’re seeing but western research tends to be so tied to physical mechanisms it has almost started hindering our advancement.

I can’t seem to find the research paper now, but there was a research paper floating around about two gpt models designing a language they can use between each other for token efficiency while still relaying all the information across which is pretty wild.

Not sure if it was peer reviewed though.

This is interesting, haven’t heard of it. I think the problem with the disc format is you aren’t getting 28 TB of content on there unless you span multiple discs which is a pain in the ass

nobody out there has come up with a good way to permanently archive all that stuff

Personally I can’t wait for these glass hard drives being researched to come at the consumer or even corporate level. Yes they’re only writable one time and read only after that, but I absolutely love the concept of being able to write my entire Plex server to a glass harddrive, plug it in and never have to sorry about it again.