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“we’ve come to realize that people knowing stuff is real problem for our agenda.”
“Reality has a well-known liberal bias.”
Liberty does too.
They’re really against anything nice that can be achieved through cooperation, aren’t they?
Or education. They absolutely hate education.
100% this. They don’t want educated people. And the news/media that does exist they want to control.
They doing it to encourage offline cooperation /s
Reality has a notable liberal bias so not surprising.
*leftist bias
The poor getting knowledge for free?! This is America!!!
MAGA = Make Americans Gormless Assholes
why doesn’t wikipedia just move out of the US?
Republicans would be upset about Wikipedia being censored if they knew how to read.
Quick question, honest question…
At what point are the right happy?
Because the left will be happy when everybody has equal rights, and a high standard of living for everyone.
So, if that’s the lefts benchmark of a great society, what’s the right fighting towards? Money? Power? Control?
Then what?
When is America “great again”?
Because they’ve been pushing that slogan since the 80s. What’s the endgame here?
Because from where I’m sitting, there is no endgame. Nothing will ever make them happy. Nothing will ever be good enough. So what the fuck is the point?
They will never be happy.
Happiness is not shared as a goal. For some people, happiness is so distant, the only thing achievable is to make everyone else equally misérable. Think Fundie Christians talking about the Valley of Tears.
they are never happy.
that’s the point of being despotic. everyone is your enemy, always and forever.
Most citizen level republicans generally believe what they want is good for people. They generally believe women aren’t capable and must be cared for. Or atleast deluded themselves into thinking to have and excuse for their lust. But either way they truly believe they are the good guys. They also believe in some instances the only way to help someone is to let them experience challenge and over come it. To them the only logical choice when presented with suffering is to over come it. Even if they have not had to suffer themselves so they don’t really understand what they are talking about. Most the time people are just stupid and don’t realize they won’t get what they want (generally the same thing as the left a happy well fed population). However there are certain more malevolence in some people at the higher levels of the movement which use the hatred and fear of the right to their own advantage.
Most of their ideas stem from fear of something and most the people in charge benefit from stocking their fears.
I know a lot of right wingers and have successfully brought a few back to reality. Most they time they are just confused.
They can’t be happy. The whole platform is to take the country back to before all of society started conspiring against the poor republican voter.
The big lie is that the dog can never catch the car because it isn’t trans people or immigrants or minorities that are oppressing republicans. It’s their politicians, the corruption that is ingrained into the system, and the rich that fight to keep the system rigged that are oppressing them and clearly republicans will never fix that
Pretty much this. The moment they actual reach end-game they’ll tear themselves apart. Fascism requires an enemy to survive. If there’s none available, they’ll turn inwards and cannibalize.
At what point are the right happy?
Also, they want streets full of Kluxers.
Honestly I wouldn’t expect Kluxers and normal old world fascists to understand each other. One of them is about race, the other is usually about cultural and ideological divisions. Even if the latter use race as one excuse to murder someone en masse, it’s not the core of their ideology, the core is that they should be able and need to practice to murder someone en masse. While American racists are something extremely weird.
Holy shit. I’m bad at telling if AI is obvious sometimes. Is this real? It has swastikas (obviously) but it also has the american flag.
Is this 1930s? Or 2020s?
God. The fact I even have to ask is in itself a reflection of where we are as a society I guess.
It’s the 48 Star American flag, thus it’s the German American Bund in the 30s. To be fair to the literal Nazis pictured it’s before the holocaust was discovered. It’s not AI, it appears in this 2017 article: https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2017/06/american-nazis-in-the-1930sthe-german-american-bund/529185/
There was a pro-nazi movement in the U.S. in the 1930’s. They had a nazi rally in Madison Square Garden. The nazis went underground for the most part after the U.S. entered WW2.
Very real, as the other comment says. Nazism was big in the US in the yeas before WW2
Many “great” pictures can be found online
And in the UK.
NS Fascism had several ties to the USA, not least Hitler himself admiring and copying tons of ideas. Esp. their Eugenics movement.
So, what I mean is common roots before 1933 and initially strong support after he got to power.
I’d like to back this up with a suitable article but I can’t find one rn.
Eugenics, segregation, Ford’s assembly-line technique, and manifest destiny.
I think they are trying to go back to before they were grown up and had to deal with adult issues. They idolize their innocent childhood and some how associated that as the time when America was great. They find it really confusing that the child’s perspective of that time window was flawed. They also find it confusing that different age conservatives all imagine a different time window for when life was good.
Most of them were beaten as children. It’s one of the most common features of authoritarian enablers.
The very rich will never be happy. If a billion dollars doesn’t make them happy, what the fuck will? They just want the ability to impose whatever shitty will they have upon everyone and because it will hurt a lot of people they are constantly afraid and that fear leads to them doing even more horrible things.
It’s a feedback loop that pushes them to do worse and worse things.
I don’t know but I’m guessing there is a MASS GENOCIDE involved at some point.
Mass genocide? As opposed to what? Minor genocide? A genocide is a genocide, there are no adjectives to it.
So all genocides are the same? What a dimwit comment.
Your’s is the typical defense of genocide-enabling Zionists and their allies from feddit.org in defense of Isn’treal: “The Holocaust was different! How dare you compare it to the Armenian genocide, or the Rohingya genocide or what is happening today in Gaza?”
A genocide is a genocide. It already implies mass.
Genocide was coined to mean, and is generally used in law to mean, the destruction of an ethnic group as such (as a group). This is the case whether it is done by killing of all members of the group or other means, such as dispersing the group. In common usage, genocide is often used to mean “systematic mass killing”, whether or not the purpose is the destruction of a group or something else, such as terrorizing the group or killing a population without regard to group membership, more specifically known as democide.
And your the one only seeing things in black and white so hard you’re not able to see out of your basement.
Can’t have a bigger or more important genocide than yours eh.
The murder was atrocious. You: Nooo all murders means the same thing!!!
What about the Russians invading Ukraine? What about the youghurs? What do you know about tianmen square?
It’s fine, keep going. Now that you have outed yourself, I’ll just tag you with the Zionist flag in voyager and move on.
Oh no please don’t!!
😂🤣😂
To what end? Are you putting together a tier list? They should all be equally admonished to the highest order, that’s the point.
“youghurs”
By your definition, there have never been any genocides. Jewish people still exist.
We’re already at that point
Once they’ve dismantled all progress made towards equality, and they control all the resources again.
People think this is a new fight, but it’s really the same one that we’ve been fighting forever. We just got too comfortable, and thought we couldn’t lose so much progress so quickly.
Fascism, as an ideology, is utterly fascinating to look at sometimes. It strikes so many wildly different mental chords that you can get lost trying to understand the minds of its believers and followers without even trying to, all while just drinking your morning coffee.
At what point are the right happy?
To answer this, it is utterly critical to mention that Fascism, as an ideology, is fundamentally predicated upon the idea that the Fascist “In-Group” is better than whatever “Out-Group” they are focused on at any given moment (Jewish people, LGBT+, Black people, Mexicans, etc.). To that end, they will stop at NOTHING to crush, oppress, exterminate, and ultimately obliterate that Out-Group completely, all the while screaming to their fellows and to anyone that will listen that the Out-Group is simultaneously infinitely weak and easy to crush, as well as insurmountably strong and impossible to resist. This contradiction allows them to drive themselves into a frenzy, by pissing each other off, as well as draw in new recruits who hear about the Out-Group as “weak” and decide they want to get in on it. Meanwhile, anyone who thinks deeper about this contradiction more easily writes off their movement as sloppy, reactionary, and ultimately harmless, since they clearly don’t know anything, letting them amass real public support under the radar for DECADES; we’ve seen this in America, with Fox News doing tons of heavy lifting for almost 50 years now in the Fascist PR department. It WORKS.
Once the In and Out-Groups are established, and public support starts to amass, the Fascists move to take public office, often starting in smaller, local elections that nobody runs for, elections that they can get a bunch of their buddies in the In-Group to vote for. Once they achieve public office, they try to continue ascending the public ranks to further their group’s political legitimacy, often forming alliances and coalitions with other right-wing and conservative groups to garner additional support in the legislature. For a historical example, the actual Nazis did this in Weimar Germany, starting as a fringe group in local elections, slowly climbing the ranks and gathering support, and ultimately working with other conservatives to seize power. Once sufficiently embedded in the system, they start purging members who aren’t sufficiently zealous and loyal to the In-Group, now a Political Party, and continue raging about the Out-Group, but on a state-side, or even national scale.
At this point, several things can happen. If there isn’t strong enough leadership in the party, it can splinter into a bunch of factions that hate each other, but still work together because they hate the Out-Group more. If there IS strong leadership in the Party, then they tend to make a mad grab for power, and consolidate it as much as they can. We saw this with Jan 6, Germany saw it with The Night of The Long Knives. Should this fail, the whole Party may very well self-destruct from infighting.
Now, you may ask, “what does any of this have to do with my question???” Remember, the entire time they’ve been climbing the political ladder, they’ve been raging at the Out-Group constantly, whipping themselves ever higher into a frenzy, garnering more and more support as they gather legitimacy in local elections. And now that they’ve made their mad grab for power, should it succeed, they can actually ACT on all their rhetoric that more rational, level-headed people wrote off at the beginning.
It starts with outright oppression, the boot of the state on the neck of the masses, usually focused on the Out-Group, but everyone feels it. Then it escalates, usually into mass-confinement and deportation of the Out-Group, while the oppression on everyone else gets worse. But as the rhetoric never ends, so too must the escalation; Extermination. Once the suffering and deportation of the Out-Group isn’t enough, always they turn to extermination. And once the Out-Group is gone…
Well, they’ll just find a new one. And another. And another. Over and over, until there’s only one group left, after all the purging and expulsion and deportation and death - the In-Group. But they won’t stop there. No, they keep going, denoting various internal factions as the Out-Group, targets to purge and exterminate. Constantly, accelerating as the numbers get smaller, until the whole Party explodes.
So. To answer your question, the Right will NEVER be happy, no matter how hard or how many Out-Group members they purge and exterminate. Because Fascism doesn’t have an endpoint where the In-Group “”“wins”“”. The entire ideology is fundamentally predicated on that singular idea, that the In-Group is better than the Out-Group, and the Out-Group MUST be destroyed, no matter what, and any questioning of that directive brands you a traitor to the Party and a member of the Out-Group. They’ll continue down that road, purging and screaming and oppressing and exterminating until the only thing left is a room of Party leader corpses full of bullets from each other’s guns. Or until they’re stopped. Whichever comes first.
In short, it’s a suicidal cult.
When it’s stripped down to its bare essentials, yeah. They’re a cult founded on internalized hatred and externalized rage; if there’s no external target for that rage, it turns inward, and the whole thing self-destructs.
Thank you for articulating that so well.
@Lost_My_Mind @return2ozma when their toilets are of pure gold while the rest of the world is kaputt … nah not even then because living in a gated community is like golden prison
In his essay, Umberto Eco is correct in his assessment that fascists will never be satisfied until they get rid of all of they hate, and achieve their own absolution and realization of their power fantasies, a world shaped by their warped concepts of purity and ego-driven heroism.
Extremists are never satisfied, they always want more. They are basically stuck on a stupid loop and just jump to the next demand when they get what they want.
We even have a special name for the current crew. They are called white extremists.
At what point are the right happy?
ENDLÖSUNG
They are already happy. The point of all this is to keep people ignorant and the working class divided- and they are getting straight A’s in that department.
If you mean the people who blindly go along with whatever ‘conservative’ politicians tell them then never, because of the previous point. There will always be a scapegoat to blame, to keep them mad, to distract from the Billionaires draining their pockets and eroding their rights. Immigrants, leftists, women, minorities, lgbt people… anyone who is different so they can play on these peoples xenophobia.
Well, silver lining is now liberals might actually check to see if Wikipedia is getting it’s claims from right wing pundits.
Wikipedia has been shit for a long time, and it should be banned as being used as a source for anything serious. There are thousands of recorded, proven cases of incorrect and malicious updates to pages on there. As with most things, it started off great and then went to hell.
Remember - the co-founder of wikipedia says that it has “abandoned neutrality” and has been taken over as a tool to push political agendas by one side.
You use Wikipedia as a starting step and pivot from there to the cited sources and secondary sources.
Sure, I agree - but that doesn’t change the fact that Wikipedia as anything other than a link aggregator is trash for anything remotely subjective.
Practicing due diligence to make sure Wikipedia’s sources are legit isn’t difficult. You can check the sources listed on every single Wikipedia entry yourself for bias. It’s not like they hide their sources. That alone is what makes it so valuable. Anyone trying to push a narrative can easily see it sourced as bullshit.
Kind of like how the article you linked is a worthless, factless, opinion piece about Wikipedia becoming “woke” due to the feelings of Larry Sanger being hurt. Nothing that article says is based on anything factual, and the only studies mentioned are wildly taken out of context.
Wikipedia let’s me do that analysis for myself, so I don’t get tricked into thinking an obvious piece of propaganda is real.
I agree with you that Wikipedia is good for finding sources and reading and coming to your own conclusions, but that’s not really the point of Wikipedia. If you can’t trust/believe the actual text of the pages and have to go and read every single linked article yourself then it defeats the purpose. It’s like getting cliff notes but having to go and read the full textbooks anyway.
The co-founders opinion is pretty important in the matter.
It’s always been a jumping-off point, not a primary source. It’s still fantastic that way.
Unfortunately that’s not how it’s used. It’s used as a primary source most of the time even on here.
Sure, but many will cite a news organization’s opinion page as fact. Is this a good reason for any administration to target opinion pages?
The administration is supposed to represent the Constitution, not attack it.
Remember your constitution; particularly the 1st amendment.
That’s the issze of the user.
Wikipedia has been shit for a long time
it started off great and then went to hell
This becomes obviously and extremely dumb once you try to imagine how this “going to hell” actually looks like. What you’re saying is, if you opened a Wikipedia article 15 or 20 years ago, you’d find “great” content, but in the meantime that article has become “shit”. Pure nonsense.
In an another comment you say it’s bad that you have to double check the sources. But when it started, Wikipedia barely used sources at all! Just look at some random articles from the early days and see for yourself. These days an overabundance of sources could well be more of a problem for editors of big article.
There are thousands of recorded, proven cases of incorrect and malicious updates to pages on there.
Thousands? Probably tens, even hundred of thousands! You know how they’re “recorded and proven” most of the time? Through the built-in system that tracks every change since the site was created, and allows editors to check who did what, verify and reverse the bad edits.
The co-founder also said Wikipedia is “broken beyond repair”… back in 2007. Already in 2006 he founded a website that he wanted to compete with WP. Is that before or after your “went to hell” era? My impression is, the guy is just butthurt the project has grown beyond him.
As a relatively active WP editor, I agree that you absolutely shouldn’t take it for granted, and there’s a lot of absolutely frustrating crap on there, and there’s much that one would want to see fixed and improved structurally. But I really can’t tolerate this sort of nonsensical criticism.
I there a technical term (or psychological or like a fallacy) for when someone sees something really good but not perfect and thus believes that the slightest bad thing they detect makes it all totally worthless?
yes, it’s called the nirvana fallacy.
So lets Start our own #Wikipedia? #LibrePedia? yes in German its #Schwarzseher means if someone is pessimistic sees everything negative (basically the opposite of optimist)
Imho #Wikipedia is now used as propaganda tool and they as #LibrePedia need to solve the “who to trust” issue (establish network of trustworthy contributors)
@wordmark @Valmond @FreedomAdvocate Wikipedia is not written by an agency or organisation. It’s written by us. We decide what’s in it. It’s like democracy: You have to work on keeping it, else it gets lost.
One advantage of #Wikipedia is, that it is a central source of information for everyone. If we loose that and everyone has their own source of information without the need of arguing what the truth is, societies gets more fractured.
Wikipedia is already fractured into different languages.
@wordmark @Valmond @FreedomAdvocate I agree that the mechanisms of Wikipedia to discuss, to argue and to find truth are not good. In the end it’s an old website that hasn’t changed much. The biggest innovation was WikiData, which isn’t used as much as it should be in the Wikipedia.
So what we need is a system that works differently, but as centrally and openly as Wikipedia. We don’t need another instance, where just a different group of people writes the texts.@duco@norden.social @wordmark@mas.to @Valmond@lemmy.world @FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au
The one Thing that Wikipedia absolutly needs is: much more contributors. The second most needed Thing is even more contributors.
it should be banned as being used as a source for anything serious.
no one uses it as a source for anything “serious” anyway. unless your definition of “serious” includes social media debates.
Remember - the co-founder of wikipedia says that it has “abandoned neutrality” and has been taken over as a tool to push political agendas by one side.
so what? he’s also anti vax. why is the co-founder’s opinion on this any more relevant than anyone else’s? the guy is not involved with wikipedia anymore.
you could also frame this as saying wikipedia stopped trying to maintain a false balance. if evidence on a topic supports one side more than the other, both sides should not be given equal representation in the article.
Twas but a matter of time
Not bias, but I was surprised to find out how Wikipedia is censoring information surrounding ChrisChan.
All of the articles mentioning him in English just say he’s an internet personality, and his English Wikipedia page has been removed.
That kind of censorship doesn’t sit will with me. What else are they keeping from us?
These people know the CWCwiki exists, right? I mean I was obsessed with CWC a little over 10 years ago, too, but I have long since lost interest in the whole matter.
That doesn’t make it ok.
This is to stop a cyberbullying campaign against a disabled person
That kind of censorship doesn’t sit will with me. What else are they keeping from us?
probably other things to harrass individuals with?
Yeah, no.
It’s still censorship even if the person in question wants it to be censored.
People shouldn’t get to dictate whether or not wikipedia articles are made of them.
If I made a wikipedia page showing your social security and banking information would your stance hold true?
Wikipedia already doesn’t allow that, so your question is pointless.
for the same reason they don’t give resources to blatant harassment campaigns.
both are against the rules and both are censorship for nearly identical reasons
You’re moving goalposts, but ok.
My point was that censorship is valid when it is to prevent harming individuals/fraud/bullying
my goalpost did not move at all.
you are being a hypocrite by saying it was okay not to have that on wikipedia because it was already banned
you should oppose that ban on the basis of censorship, no?
Hey no fair, the US is just copying us! (UK)
We targeted Wikipedia first recently waaaaa
Are you guys having problems with your politics? I heard COVID vaccines is not free for everyone.
We’ve had problems with our politics for as long as politics has existed. It’s a miracle we have anything nice, and there have been people undermining and trying to claw back anything nice we have on Day 2+ of us getting it.
already have it all downloaded
Fyi everyone: you can download the entirety of Wikipedia yourself from kiwix and it’s only about 50gb for the whole thing, 100 with all images.
That’s highly dependent on how many, or which, languages you download, I think.
This is true, I was referring to english wikipedia.
got a link or instructions? i’ll do it tomorrow as the next step on my self hosting journey.
Docker setup instructions: github.com/kiwix/kiwix-tools/docker/server/README.md
Download zim files from library.kiwix.org via direct download, torrent or magnet.
thank yewwww.
There is also apps like Aard2 that allow you to have all of wikipedia (no images duh) offline on your phone. https://github.com/itkach/aard2-android
Its a general dictionary type app so it supports things other than wikipedia too. There is a link to the dictionary files in the readme on that github, but it can be confusing.
If you have 23GB of space and your storage isnt fat32 formatted: https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/aarddict/enwiki/enwiki20250801-slob/
If it is fat32 then you gotta download it in 4GB chunks: https://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/aarddict/enwiki/enwiki20250801-vol-slob/
The downside to this is that i (you?) often want very recent fresh info from wikipedia and this obviously doesnt work well for that because it doesnt support updating in a way where you only have to download the changes. If somebody knows of an app that supports this, where you only have to download a couple MB of changes every day to keep the entire thing up to date let me know.
sweet.
alas, internet friend, i’m old enuf to have had printed (gasp) encyclopedias purchased new in 1985, so i can cope with static data just fine.
i am curious, nonetheless - i see these are dated pretty recently. are these ftps updated with some kind of regularity so i can continue to dl them up until all knowledge gets banned for being too inclusive and woke and something something?
Always glad to share cool projects :)
If you go up to the parent directory of the links i sent it shows the last couple versions (20250801, 20250601, 20250201, 20241201) so it gets updated every few months yes. I believe the URL has stayed the same for the past decade or so too, so it should be fairly easy to automate that even.
you’re a champion among lemmings.
it will be out of date in an hour
Most of Wikipedia articles hardly change over time. The entry for potassium for example, or Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act. The controversial or recent current events topics get most updates.
Doesnt matter really if you have nothing at one point.
I used my old Grollier’s Multimedia Encyclopedia CD for years.
Any entry that is changing hourly (or even monthly) is probably not a topic you should be relying on an encyclopedia entry for anyway. Use the tool for what the tool is good for.
Anyone know where to get a pre-inauguration copy of the Wikipedia corpus? I wanna pull that down onto my NAS, but didn’t think to do it at the time.
Maybe you can find something here: https://archive.org/details/wikimediadownloads
Chuck https://download.kiwix.org/zim/wikipedia/wikipedia_en_all_maxi_2025-08.zim.torrent in the Wayback machine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download has a full list of various sources. Not all links include historical archives, though
