Them: Democratic governments should allow all voices to be heard
Us: Free Palestine
Them: Terrorist!
Requesting information isn’t limiting free speech is it? Now if that algorithm shows it is indeed limiting or promoting people’s speech in a non-equal manner, that would be limiting people’s free speech would it not?
Surely ‘X’ isn’t doing that? Say it ain’t so!
Dont try facts on the American government and 40% of its population. They dont work like that.
From my experience living in the US, the country is not a good reference point for any discussions around the nature of free speech.
Free speech polemics in the US largely have a demonstrative role with individuals parroting random copytext that they’ve heard before in an attempt to position themselves as being special and independent.
In a way, the whole thing is very entertaining.
Every state or social group has its shibboleths - the American one is just to performatively pretend they don’t have any.
Name it.
Name what?
The shibboleth in question
Pretending there are none - that it’s a society without in-groups, with social mobility.
Definitely. There is a lot of good things about the US, lots to see, different types of experiences, nice nature. But that doesn’t mean I have to agree with polemics that make no sense.
There is that.
American democrats, though, irritated me more until I’ve started noticing Republicans. They have that “parties switched in 1960s” myth (only parties’ ideas on race switched, while the main ideology of the democratic party is not too different from “progressives” of 1890s, those guys who advocated for prophylactic lynchings ; and it’s the same about Republicans, whose “anti-racist” ideas were just as Christian fundamentalism based as their today’s projects), and also the “popular party” myth (while even in appearances being something to the top of which only people born with a silver spoon in mouth can get).
At the same time the “free speech” stuff over there seems to mostly be about “they in their totalitarian countries (or pockets of society dominated by the other party) are lied by their propaganda media, and we here are free and are told the truth”.
Not sure it’s entertaining, it looks depressing. But I haven’t lived in the US.
Translation help from Fascist English to US English:
- “activist” = a non-politician whose free speech we don’t like
- “allow all voices to be heard” / “free speech” = extremist/unconstitutional/propaganda speech which serves the interests of the current fascist regime must be allowed, while every other speech will be labelled as being activist/communist/un-American/…
- “defend […] all Americans” = at least the part of Americans which we tolerate or haven’t jailed yet (subject to change)
Kyub’s right.
Okay, now defend us from the foreign censorship that Israeli lobbyists baked into our state constitutions. https://www.newsweek.com/pro-palestinian-protest-states-colleges-illegal-bds-1895292
USA can straight up go fuck itself now. They don’t dictate anything anymore.
Seriously. They should do the rest of the world a favour and close itself off from us. That way we won’t dictate what their idiots can and can’t do or say.
No please, don’t leave those of us that are rational in here around with the nut jobs. We’re trying to correct course but these people are nuts
I am personally for accepting immigrants from USA
Democratic governments should allow all voices to be heard, not silence speech they dislike.
That’s real fucking rich coming from the government that:
- Removed all references to “trans-” regardless of context.
- Retaliates against left-leaning press.
- Calls information they dislike “fake news”.
- Sends immigrants to concentration camps.
EU is not much better.
You have to be real careful with controversial subjects such as not liking genocide.
And plenty countries have forbidden communism.
Not to mention not honoring elections in Romania and anulling them, and not letting the winning party participate again.
Even if it is a horrible right-wing party that won, that is still a mask off moment.so what do they do with transport? Or foreign companies using trans in their name?
I’m waiting for the conniption when all these people find out that the cars and trucks they drive have transmissions.
What did they do indeed
That’s the regressive mindset for you. When they say ‘all’, they mean themselves.
They don’t want to be forced to listen to what YOU have to say, but they want to force YOU to listen to what they have to say.
just like my mom. god i miss her from before she went crazy
She’s still in there somewhere, locked away by propaganda. She needs to be deprogrammed, just like the rest.
That because they don’t want free apeech. They want the speech only if its their speech.
No no, you don’t understand. That doesn’t apply to us plebs (US citizens). It only applies to other countries so that the government can checks notes “strongly condemn” them.
I’m not even joking, I thought that whoever wrote this tweet was supporting the French investigation when I first read that.
Don’t forget
removed funding for weather services or deleted materials related to climate change
runs from people trying to ask them questions
If we’re adding “runs from people trying to ask them questions”, we should be more accurate about it.
runs from people trying to ask them questions, calling them plants put there by political opponents
What is the actual context here? I don’t trust what this tweet says
As part of a criminal investigation, an activist American payment network is requesting to stop selling video games that they seem inappropriate and has basically treated itch.io, Steam, etc. as an “organized crime group.” Democratic governments should allow all games to be played, not silence things they dislike. The United States will defend the free prudence of all Americans against acts of foreign fun.
The only thing I condemn the French inquiry on is that it should have already happened.
Now defend it from domestic one.
A French Inquiry…
“Did you ehhhhhh… do ze crime?”
“Non”
“Par Excellence! Time for some coffee and cigarettes!”
I hear cigarettes have ironically fallen out of popularity in France, despite it being seen as culturally significant in the past.
Could call it a… French inquisition
Well nobody would expect that.
Did they really classify Twitter as an “organised crime group”? Because that does seem a bit farfetched.
I have no proof but I suspect it is a mistranslation. The French legal term “bande organisée” literally means “organized crime group” but is simply the French counterpart to criminal conspiracy. That is to say, they are suspected not merely of breaking the law but also of having done so as a collective that knowingly planned for it.
What a shithole country.
i don’t like that term because it’s an insult to my butthole. it just so happens that i think that buttholes can be neat, but the US is not.
I was refering to the hole you shit in, not the hole you shit out of.
Of course the US will fight tooth and nail to keep its propaganda machines at work all around the globe.
While defunding NPR and PBS.
Except that Trump is currently trying to dismantle Voice of America" and other propaganda machines around the globe.
yeah i guess trump represents a greater shift towards inward politics. not interfering with the rest of the world so much, just doing internal stuff.
VoA is competing with the private sector propaganda wing.
This is just American Libertarianism taken to its logical conclusion. The mistake the Communists made was thinking Pravda didn’t need to turn an enormous profit.
While being the biggest pusher of propaganda in US history.
And VOA was only “propaganda” when you consider objective information to be “propaganda”, like dumbfuck Trumpers do.
Since 1976 the Charter and later the 1994 International Broadcasting Act legally forbid government officials from dictating content. Don’t worry about facts, though.
Trump himself tried to make it a propaganda outlet, doing the exact opposite of what you credit him for. He put Michael Pack in charge who sidelined editors, froze visas for foreign reporters and scrapped long‑standing “fire‑wall” rules that protect editorial independence.
The word “propaganda” is tricky. It has connotations of being lies, but that isn’t always or even usually the case. Objectively true information can literally be propaganda. The mission of the VoA is to spread American propaganda. That’s why it’s funded. That can be truths that foreign governments want to suppress, it can be spin, or it can be lies. VoA is generally pretty truthful, especially compared to the privately run domestic versions like cable news outlets.
Government officials don’t need to dictate content. As you pointed out, content can be controlled by who is appointed to manage the content. They know the mission.
And VOA was only “propaganda” when you consider objective information to be “propaganda”, like dumbfuck Trumpers do.
the thing is that you can deliver heavily skewed pictures with information that is objectively true. consider the following example:
it makes it appear as if AOC is pro-genocide
yet when you actually have more context, you know that AOC is actively anti-genocide, as discussed here. (in the comments)
so, delivering objectively true information can result in heavily skewed images, due to non-proportionality of information, i.e. some details are exaggerated, others are under-reported. and some journals have a tendency to under-report on specific things while over-reporting on others. so it’s still possible to lie with objective information, i.e. create images that are not true because they’re out of their actual proportion.
LOL ‘objective propaganda’
The US regime lies constantly.
And especially during the ilegal Iraq invasion.
They placed items in the news without telling the public they were produced by the US regime armed forces.
It’s not difficult to know unless you deliberately ignore the obvious truth to fit your agenda.
So you are a liar, nobody can be this naive or dumb.
https://scholar.law.colorado.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2248&context=faculty-articles
that’s great, they have always been poison
Wrong. It opposed Naziism and Soviet Union misinformation. Since then it’s been a standard journalism outlet that, by law, could not be dictated by US politicians.
Thanks CIA operative, it is no secret it has always been a propaganda outlet from your CIA bosses trying to stir up shit in countries they don’t control.
And the US has never been against nazis, supported them plenty of times before during and after WW2.
Be that as it may, Trump is trying to dismantle it.
Oh I forgot the Blue MAGA mantra: “anything the opposition does is automatically bad”
When they say water is wet you have to deny it.
Really you all deserve TrumpGet over yourself. All I did was state a fact that was contradictory to the previous comment. I didn’t even say anything about whether it was good or bad. Trump is trying to cut VoA.
That fact was pretty obvious.
well every fact is pretty obvious … once you know it
Trump dismantles anything he has no control over, pure dictator behaviour 🤗
He literally has control over it though.
It’s ok when he does it. There is no such thing as a Republican who is able to be shamed by hypocrisy. It’s their super power.
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