Is this the kind of AI ads they were talking about?
Gots to be
Bots to be
Maybe. Some people are this basic though. Not that that’s a good excuse.
Last night I brought up a Burger King meal I saw on a commercial to my friends in IRC. We all agreed it was less expensive than we thought it would be and one guy actually ordered it. Some of us ARE that basic, lol.
I mean, that’s okay. This is an IRC channel of friends, but it’s hard to imagine in a converaation with strangers. Sure, it can happen, and I’d say some subreddits are more prone for this to happen than others, but something in the conversation is off, even inorganic.
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hello guys yea i love [insert ad company name] products please buy [company product name] its so good trust me
While [insert ad company name] products are a little more expensive, the quality and customer service are unmatched. It evens out when you use the [insert ad company name] reward card which gives 5% off each purchase.
Would you like to join me for some food intake and exchange of emotions?
I use {branded reward card} but use their {branded delivery service} for the low fee of {half average emergency fund} for the opportunity to feed their logicistic system my house data when I use {branded subscription model} and be charged what they feel the product is worth they week. The best part is the reduction in basal calorie needs as I slowly get too fat to leave the house.
Meanwhile I know people already asking ai what they should buy for this and that. This surely will end very well for
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Pfft. Your Turing test fails. I’m not an AI — I was just going to do that anyway!
I’ve seen douchenozzles on LinkedIn talking about how they make fake reddit threads to promote their product. They acted like it was such a good thing too.
/c/linkedinlunatics@sh.itjust.works would like to know more.
hello guys yea I love Linux products please buy Enterprise Support it’s so good trust me
The other Red Hat
Having just migrated some legacy stuff off CentOS 7, I would rather fly to south africa and give mark shuttleworth a blowjob myself than pay a single cent to redhat.
I was just reminding a discussion with a guy about Reddit, who thinks Reddit is getting close to the real dead internet theory, just bots talkimg about whatever.
I’ve definitely had moments where I found myself in some random r/ and realized I wasn’t sure if this was bot spam or actual humans. It’s pretty dissociating to actually fully internalize the dead Internet theory.
user_name, the username so generic it has to ironically be human. Only thing missing is a number at the end
Best way to have forgetful username.
Hello, generic cousin
the small subs seem to be the only place real interaction happens. local sports teams and city subs some of the fan based subs, etc …
anything that gets on the front pages goes to shit
ITT: People who have never been to a Manhattan grocery store
Not saying that it isn’t bots especially since they tend to copy previously existing conversations, but it is also completely true for grocery stores below 90th street. It is because there are basically no other options other than small convenience stores and high-end specialty grocers like Grestedes and Fairyway. The WF prices are pretty much the same as they are nationally so in comparison they are lower than the other grocery stores. Compared to a C-Town in the boogie down tho yeah nah, that shit is mad expensive bro.
TLDR; Manhattan sucks
Cheaper than Walmart? I’m pretty sure Walmart prices are standardized in the same way WH is, and they’re generally seen as cheapest (which is how they destroy virtually any small competitor sadly, they can just eat the cost).
There are no Walmart’s in New York City
Wait seriously?
Yep.
Yeah, I’ve never even been to one because of this
It’s the best thing about NYC tbh
What does the comment history look like on those accounts? I’m guessing when you pay for the spam package, they create fake comment histories for the bot accounts.
Making sense tbh.
Kinda wanna embrace our AI overlords ngl.
Report them for hate speech.
Ooh that’s a good one. Sounds legit.
Often times the services have a fleet of accounts, they have them do reposts of old popular posts with titles and some content rephrased, then some of the rest of the fleet copies the top comments and rephrases those and posts them below.
This builds a history of realistic and semi popular looking posts in a way that is fairly easy to automate . Anyone who looks closely could potentially figure out a given account, or even cluster of accounts, is farmed, but it takes effort and time to prove it, more effort and time than it takes for them to spool up another batch of bots.
Don’t forget to add a typo in the title of the repost for extra engagement!
They also buy active accounts with high karma and age. I got offered $100 in BTC for my account one time. I guess they did not look at how horny my comments were.
The horny just adds credibility
fleet of accounts
I like the use of the term “fleet” in this context, bc it brings to mind the Battle of Midway but re-done with bots online.
Who’s Yamamoto and Nimitz in this situation?
Well let’s see… first we gotta figure out the analogy:
- carriers = posts promoting a product
- carrier escorts = posts commenting on and upvoting the “carrier” post
- torpedos/dive-bombs = bot-delivered replies that disparage “carrier” posts. They “hit” if they get highly upvoted
- fighters = bots that downvote carrier-fleet posts and upvote torpedo/dive-bomb replies
- carrier “screen” fighters = bots that post attacks on enemy fighters and munitions
- carrier AA fire = bots that downvote attacks by enemy fighter bots
The analogy is still a little clumsy… are “carriers” posts, or are they the bots that make the posts? etc. But a Midway-like battle would involve a modest but strategically-positioned product-promoting community that is about to be surprised-attacked by a rival, who will make several posts disparaging the product. But the attack is identified through corporate espionage. The posts are hard to find, so the “fighters” have to search for them but ultimately they do, and after fierce up- and down-voting, the attacking posts are deeply downvoted.
First guy has a short history within one post five months ago, then 3 years prior. Second guy and third guy has a big gap 3-7 year gap in history then suddenly a lot of comments. So yea, bots.
A reminder that “cashback” credit cards are paid for by big fees on transactions which the store pays, forcing them to raise prices. It’s literally anticompetitive
That’s why you should never use cash. You’re paying cash back prices and getting none of the cash back.
… And feed the credit card issuers?
And if the credit card issuers have already won this battle?
I mean, I agree, I don’t like it either. I don’t even have a credit card. But I don’t see anything changing without a movement.
[edit] I might have missed you were also the top-level comment. I’ll remind people if you will, haha.
I’m not feeding them, the store is. My local worker owned grocery store doesn’t accept credit cards. Not my favorite, but I don’t pay cash back prices when I shop there.
And debit and cash use still pay this price without the benefit. Literally taking their money and giving it to credit card user as reward. There is no justification for credit cards. Banks should do credit margins and transactions should be extremely cheap under a common system.
Eh, for a lot of businesses, the few percent they pay in card fees is worth it to avoid handling large quantities of cash. Cash is a pain in the ass to actually work with on a large scale. Collecting it, counting it, securing it, keeping employees and random criminals from stealing it, etc. Plus lots of cash allows employees to steal from both the employer or the customer by giving bad change deliberately.
Not that businesses shouldn’t accept cash, but there is a reason a lot of them don’t want to mess with it. It’s an enormous hassle.
I’m not saying back to cash, I’m saying near zero cost transaction with contactless smartcards.
This does not apply so much in the Whole Foods/Prime example; the store, the membership, and the credit card are all Amazon products. The consumer is paying Amazon for the privilege of paying Amazon to pay Amazon.
It’s actually a Chase credit card, and you can convert the cash back to Chase’s system IIRC. But you’d be better off using the Sapphire or whatever their metal card is called if you want the Chase rewards. Amazon rewards just give you cash to spend on Amazon by default.
Making extensive use of food delivery services is a trait i unapologetically use to filter people out of my life. (Unless they have medical reasons…)
My mom makes extensive use of a good delivery service. It’s called me
Why? I know several young families that just don’t have the time or a car to get groceries for the whole week, delivery services help them a lot
Also elderly people. Me or other family buy groceries for an aunt, she has Amazon for emergencies.
Unapologetically filtering young families and old people out of my life…
How can you not have time to buy groceries? It’s not that big of a process.
I understand not having a car though. Some places are not very walkable.
Depending on the situation/ location, it is truly possible. During massively busy times, I have employed these services. It absolutely can be a big process, especially with younger children and 2 jobs.
That’s an hour or 2 you may not have.
If you don’t have an hour to buy food a couple times a week, there’s something supremely fucked up about your priorities.
It usually has nothing to do with priorities, and everything to do with the crushing weight of capitalism giving you no time for leisure or recreation otherwise. Have kids and two jobs? Good luck spending much time with them.
I don’t personally use grocery delivery services but I can see their appeal and use.
I do have kids and two jobs. I’m not sure what your point is. Half the time I use grocery store runs as way to talk to my kids in an environment where they’re not distracted by technology.
Your experience isn’t the same as everyone else’s, that’s my point. Just because you like to use a chunk of your free time to shop doesn’t mean everyone else does. Many in your situation would prefer to use that time at home with their kids (where you can also avoid technology after ordering if you desire, btw)
Work two jobs? Fuck you. Want rest? Fuck you. Want healthy food? Fuck you. Taking care of someone? Fuck you. Need sleep? Fuck you.
They’re on that fuckin grindset, workin eight 16 hour days a week lmao they don’t have time to step on a bus or walk down the street
It’s not so much that you literally have no time but spending the extra money is a way to get the time you would otherwise spend on groceries to do other things like spend actual time with the kids before they sleep and walk the dog before it’s dark.
Given the extremely high cost of eating out compared to buying some frozen shit/random stuff for quick lazy meals at the grocery store I don’t think that makes financial sense. On the other hand I’m not going to fault people for choosing to eat out/eat delivery because they like it and can afford it
Uber eats/doordash is a different level. I don’t use them unless I have a gift card.
Instacart and similar as mentioned here do upcharge but it is just regular groceries so I can cook and eat at home. It’s on a basis of time=money. I want back the time I’d have to spend grocery shopping so I’ll spend money for it. If I ever get employed somewhere with reasonable public transit or safer biking that may change.
Ohhhh you meant grocery delivery not restaurant delivery. I think that’s the source of a lot of the pushback on your comment. Grocery delivery can absolutely make a ton of sense, especially when it’s only a fee of like $10-20 on what could be 2 weeks worth of groceries (basically a 5-10% increase in person trip cost)
Personally I don’t do grocery delivery because often what I like and what I look for isn’t the same as what the shopper usually buys or looks for, and when they substitute it might not be something that makes sense. But I’ve been tempted before on particularly busy weeks or even just as a money saving strategy to avoid getting extra items that aren’t needed and/or for comparison shopping (I’m much, much more price sensitive when online shopping compared to in-person)
Idk what pushback you’re talking about, you’re it as far as I can tell and yes the OP is about groceries as is the comment I originally responded to.
Yeah, I usually specify alternates or refunds for things that matter and if my bananas are too green or my avocados riper than expected I can change meals to accommodate.
I guess I don’t really understand the purpose, here… You don’t like having rich friends?
why would people like having rich friends? it’s not like they’re likely to share their wealth, or they probably wouldn’t be rich…
It sounds like you need better friends, regardless of their financial status 🤷♂️
What do you people think “rich” means?
Able to afford to throw hundreds of dollars per month towards just the convenience of having food delivered.
Important to note that this doesn’t account for the price of the food itself, or the fact that the prices are inflated on top of eating out, just the delivery fees and tips.
You do realize that the people you should be angry at make hundreds to thousands of times more than a person who can afford delivery apps makes, right? You have been fooled into hating your own class.
I’m not reading any anger in their message. Seems like a pretty innocent joke.
I think the average American is making just about enough to get by, and probably would have a hard time, though not an impossible one, affording an extra ~$2k a year. (I can’t find a solid figure for the average household living wage in the US, but from what I’ve seen it’s pretty close to the average household income)
It is a bit weird to define above average wage as rich though. But there is really no definitive class border so I think it’s slightly useless to argue about. You can also define above average as rich while still directing your hate towards the .1%.
Also I don’t really detect any hate there?
You know, use of long dash is the same kind of tell as an image having 6 fingers. Not impossible to find in human interactions but generally very rare, especially in online conversation. (I’m not even sure if my phone can do a long dash, just these fellows: —).
This is a bad take. I use em dashes if I feel it’s called for. It’s just proper grammar. We probably shouldn’t be making people dumb down the way they write so as to not be mistaken for AI.
Read some books, you’ll see that it’s used all of the time.
I use dashes all the time, but em-dashes? I don’t even know how to type those. I guess I could long-press the dash on my phone and select it, but… why?
Because people have their own styles of writing, and some people like the way they look/the rhythm they provide a sentence or paragraph.
I’m not kidding when I say to read some books. They’re everywhere in actual literature.
Because that’s how typography works? Why do you capitalize the first letter in each of your sentences?
Oh, that’s me–I’m the exception! I use them all the time. Blame autism, not AI.
Emdashes might also be a sign that the commenter is a nerd
Yeah, or just someone that has read books before…
same thing, nerd
I use the em-dash a lot. It’s not just about the presence of one, the issue is that LLMs know they exist but don’t know where they go. It’s sort of like a semicolon, which goes where neither a comma nor a period feel right. An em-dashes simply goes where neither comma nor period nor semicolon feels right
Edit: I should clarify, that’s simply how I use them. I’m not smart enough with words to know stuff like “parenthetical clauses” or w/e. Point being, AI just throws them in like they’re sentence enhancers
On my keyboard, I just click the button on the bottom left to see punctuation, and then long-press the hyphen
Well em-dashes can be used in place of other punctuation that is typically used to denote parenthetical information — such as commas and parentheses — but it also has other uses. Similar to a semicolon it can also be used when changing the idea of a sentence — it’s versatile and often an overlooked and underutilized piece of punctuation. Additionally, when you have multiple parenthenthical levels, such as this which is commonly placed within commas — or parentheses — which can be overused, it allows you to segment different layers of parenthetical information.
Single em dashes can almost always be used interchangeably with semicolons—they typically separate independent clauses without a conjunction.
Paired em dashes—used to demarcate parenthetical expressions—can be replaced by commas, but not by semicolons.
It has less to do with what feels right and more to do with the mechanics of the sentence. There is a good bit of wiggle room, figuratively speaking, in deciding whether to use commas or paired em dashes—likewise, whether to use a single em dash or a semicolon is almost entirely a stylistic choice. But I feel like the way you explained it is a bit misleading to people still learning the difference.
An em dash can also be used to delineate an abrupt break in the direction or structure of a sentence or dialogue in a way that commas or semicolons simply—fuck, I just shit my pants.
Not trying to be a pedant, just sharing what I’ve learned over the years.
i always thought that em-dashes were used instead of commas whenever
- your sentence already has too many commas, or
- you want to be fancy
An em dash — when used properly — is perfectly fine, but a little academic. iOS will do one automatically with two hyphens and a space.
Lemmy markdown — which is better than Reddit markdown in some ways, but worse in others — will automatically do a similar conversion, except it takes three hyphens instead of two (two hyphens gets you an en dash). It’s nice, but also unfortunate because it messes up people’s muscle memory since using only two for it mimics what was customary when writing in ASCII, on mechanical typewriters, etc.
Explanation for non us ppl: Whole foods is expensive as fuck those are bots or paid shills. Hence the Natural joke.
When Amazon bought Whole Foods, I had hoped they’d lower prices to a more reasonable level.
Nope. Still $8 for the same exact $3 product elsewhere.
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I don’t think that’s actually an unusual conversation for people who live in Manhattan to have. The comments about relative prices are accurate in my experience - I live on the same block as a Gristides and I still never shop there because of how expensive it is, even compared to Whole Foods. I get most of my groceries in Brooklyn on the weekends.
I also know a woman with a whole stack of different credit cards, so she always has the one that gives her the most rewards for whatever specific thing she’s buying. I’m sure she has one for grocery shopping.
I agree. Personally I have made multiple amazon accounts and subscribe to prime on each of them. It costs me more upfront, but I get more cash back on my orders. Plus, by buying different raw materials on different accounts the feds are less likely to discover my moonshine operation
Nah if I’m going to shill for any Manhattan grocery store, it will be Fairway. It’s also really expensive but it feels like being in the sort of store you’d go to if you were rich, not like being ripped off. Their cheese counter has prices per 1/4 pound for some of the cheeses but then if you get some $15 per 1/4 pound cheese it will taste so good that you’ll think it was worth it. I haven’t been there in years but I still long for that cheese.
It’s also really expensive but it feels like being in the sort of store you’d go to if you were rich, not like being ripped off.
That’s kinda how Whole Foods used to feel, before Amazon bought it.
I buy all my groceries from Omega Mart, like a normal person.
Yeah but also, Whole Foods and Amazon and other companies absolutely are doing this. They’d be stupid not to. The companies that aren’t paying for spam bots online will go out of business soon.
Dead internet here we come.
This is the direction Reddit has been pointed in for years now.
I’m always worried about this whenever I talk about the fairphone or framework laptop but I also sell Linux like a merchant so I think people get I’m just a nerd
TBF those companies don’t have the budget for a astroturfing bot campaign, or at least can’t afford the PR hit.
Someone post the thread!
Imposter among us
