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ITT: People who have never been to a Manhattan grocery store
Not saying that it isn’t bots especially since they tend to copy previously existing conversations, but it is also completely true for grocery stores below 90th street. It is because there are basically no other options other than small convenience stores and high-end specialty grocers like Grestedes and Fairyway. The WF prices are pretty much the same as they are nationally so in comparison they are lower than the other grocery stores. Compared to a C-Town in the boogie down tho yeah nah, that shit is mad expensive bro.
TLDR; Manhattan sucks
Cheaper than Walmart? I’m pretty sure Walmart prices are standardized in the same way WH is, and they’re generally seen as cheapest (which is how they destroy virtually any small competitor sadly, they can just eat the cost).
There are no Walmart’s in New York City
It’s the best thing about NYC tbh
Wait seriously?
Yep.
Yeah, I’ve never even been to one because of this
Explanation for non us ppl: Whole foods is expensive as fuck those are bots or paid shills. Hence the Natural joke.
When Amazon bought Whole Foods, I had hoped they’d lower prices to a more reasonable level.
Nope. Still $8 for the same exact $3 product elsewhere.
A reminder that “cashback” credit cards are paid for by big fees on transactions which the store pays, forcing them to raise prices. It’s literally anticompetitive
And debit and cash use still pay this price without the benefit. Literally taking their money and giving it to credit card user as reward. There is no justification for credit cards. Banks should do credit margins and transactions should be extremely cheap under a common system.
Eh, for a lot of businesses, the few percent they pay in card fees is worth it to avoid handling large quantities of cash. Cash is a pain in the ass to actually work with on a large scale. Collecting it, counting it, securing it, keeping employees and random criminals from stealing it, etc. Plus lots of cash allows employees to steal from both the employer or the customer by giving bad change deliberately.
Not that businesses shouldn’t accept cash, but there is a reason a lot of them don’t want to mess with it. It’s an enormous hassle.
That’s why you should never use cash. You’re paying cash back prices and getting none of the cash back.
… And feed the credit card issuers?
I’m not feeding them, the store is. My local worker owned grocery store doesn’t accept credit cards. Not my favorite, but I don’t pay cash back prices when I shop there.
And if the credit card issuers have already won this battle?
I mean, I agree, I don’t like it either. I don’t even have a credit card. But I don’t see anything changing without a movement.
[edit] I might have missed you were also the top-level comment. I’ll remind people if you will, haha.
This does not apply so much in the Whole Foods/Prime example; the store, the membership, and the credit card are all Amazon products. The consumer is paying Amazon for the privilege of paying Amazon to pay Amazon.
It’s actually a Chase credit card, and you can convert the cash back to Chase’s system IIRC. But you’d be better off using the Sapphire or whatever their metal card is called if you want the Chase rewards. Amazon rewards just give you cash to spend on Amazon by default.
Dead internet here we come.
This is the direction Reddit has been pointed in for years now.
Someone post the thread!
I only go to Whole Foods for a few specific stuff items that I can’t get elsewhere due to food allergies. There is no way they are the cheapest place to get groceries.
Yup. They’re called “Whole Paycheck” for a reason.
They actually sell the cheapest veggies and tofu in my area. I honestly don’t bother looking at anything else they have so I can’t speak otherwise.
That seems bizarre based on the prices I see, maybe they are intentionally undercutting the others locally in your area specifically. Whole Foods was by far the cheapest place to buy eggs earliest this year and were obviously using them as a loss leader (we’re talking less than half the price of standard grocery stores in the same area).
It’s also worth noting that free range and organic eggs got hit waasaay less than your average factory farm egg, therefore it probably hurt Amazon a lot less to keep eggs low compared to other grocers.
Imposter among us
I’m always worried about this whenever I talk about the fairphone or framework laptop but I also sell Linux like a merchant so I think people get I’m just a nerd
TBF those companies don’t have the budget for a astroturfing bot campaign, or at least can’t afford the PR hit.
This reminds me of a time when i used to subscribe to Hydro Homies and there was always someone in the comments tryna hawk a Berkey water filter.
Damn that sucks. I prefer the refreshing taste of Mug Root Beer™.
I used to work with a guy who would drink a Mug Root Beer™ at every break. He was obsessed with that shit.
You know, use of long dash is the same kind of tell as an image having 6 fingers. Not impossible to find in human interactions but generally very rare, especially in online conversation. (I’m not even sure if my phone can do a long dash, just these fellows: —).
Oh, that’s me–I’m the exception! I use them all the time. Blame autism, not AI.
This is a bad take. I use em dashes if I feel it’s called for. It’s just proper grammar. We probably shouldn’t be making people dumb down the way they write so as to not be mistaken for AI.
Read some books, you’ll see that it’s used all of the time.
I use dashes all the time, but em-dashes? I don’t even know how to type those. I guess I could long-press the dash on my phone and select it, but… why?
Because people have their own styles of writing, and some people like the way they look/the rhythm they provide a sentence or paragraph.
I’m not kidding when I say to read some books. They’re everywhere in actual literature.
Because that’s how typography works? Why do you capitalize the first letter in each of your sentences?
Emdashes might also be a sign that the commenter is a nerd
Yeah, or just someone that has read books before…
same thing, nerd
An em dash — when used properly — is perfectly fine, but a little academic. iOS will do one automatically with two hyphens and a space.
Lemmy markdown — which is better than Reddit markdown in some ways, but worse in others — will automatically do a similar conversion, except it takes three hyphens instead of two (two hyphens gets you an en dash). It’s nice, but also unfortunate because it messes up people’s muscle memory since using only two for it mimics what was customary when writing in ASCII, on mechanical typewriters, etc.
I use the em-dash a lot. It’s not just about the presence of one, the issue is that LLMs know they exist but don’t know where they go. It’s sort of like a semicolon, which goes where neither a comma nor a period feel right. An em-dashes simply goes where neither comma nor period nor semicolon feels right
Edit: I should clarify, that’s simply how I use them. I’m not smart enough with words to know stuff like “parenthetical clauses” or w/e. Point being, AI just throws them in like they’re sentence enhancers
On my keyboard, I just click the button on the bottom left to see punctuation, and then long-press the hyphen
i always thought that em-dashes were used instead of commas whenever
- your sentence already has too many commas, or
- you want to be fancy
Single em dashes can almost always be used interchangeably with semicolons—they typically separate independent clauses without a conjunction.
Paired em dashes—used to demarcate parenthetical expressions—can be replaced by commas, but not by semicolons.
It has less to do with what feels right and more to do with the mechanics of the sentence. There is a good bit of wiggle room, figuratively speaking, in deciding whether to use commas or paired em dashes—likewise, whether to use a single em dash or a semicolon is almost entirely a stylistic choice. But I feel like the way you explained it is a bit misleading to people still learning the difference.
An em dash can also be used to delineate an abrupt break in the direction or structure of a sentence or dialogue in a way that commas or semicolons simply—fuck, I just shit my pants.
Not trying to be a pedant, just sharing what I’ve learned over the years.
Well em-dashes can be used in place of other punctuation that is typically used to denote parenthetical information — such as commas and parentheses — but it also has other uses. Similar to a semicolon it can also be used when changing the idea of a sentence — it’s versatile and often an overlooked and underutilized piece of punctuation. Additionally, when you have multiple parenthenthical levels, such as this which is commonly placed within commas — or parentheses — which can be overused, it allows you to segment different layers of parenthetical information.
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I don’t think that’s actually an unusual conversation for people who live in Manhattan to have. The comments about relative prices are accurate in my experience - I live on the same block as a Gristides and I still never shop there because of how expensive it is, even compared to Whole Foods. I get most of my groceries in Brooklyn on the weekends.
I also know a woman with a whole stack of different credit cards, so she always has the one that gives her the most rewards for whatever specific thing she’s buying. I’m sure she has one for grocery shopping.
I buy all my groceries from Omega Mart, like a normal person.
Yeah but also, Whole Foods and Amazon and other companies absolutely are doing this. They’d be stupid not to. The companies that aren’t paying for spam bots online will go out of business soon.
I agree. Personally I have made multiple amazon accounts and subscribe to prime on each of them. It costs me more upfront, but I get more cash back on my orders. Plus, by buying different raw materials on different accounts the feds are less likely to discover my moonshine operation
Nah if I’m going to shill for any Manhattan grocery store, it will be Fairway. It’s also really expensive but it feels like being in the sort of store you’d go to if you were rich, not like being ripped off. Their cheese counter has prices per 1/4 pound for some of the cheeses but then if you get some $15 per 1/4 pound cheese it will taste so good that you’ll think it was worth it. I haven’t been there in years but I still long for that cheese.
It’s also really expensive but it feels like being in the sort of store you’d go to if you were rich, not like being ripped off.
That’s kinda how Whole Foods used to feel, before Amazon bought it.
Amazon “grocery” delivery is bullshit and stupid expensive, plus there’s a ton of shit they don’t carry.
it’s such a fucking baffling concept to me, i don’t even understand ordering groceries from the fucking grocery store, just go there and buy the stuff
ordering stuff just… isn’t better…
there’s no benefit unless you simply cannot buy the thing in a nearby store.What do you mean there’s no benefit? The entire concept is beneficial, which is why it’s often so goddamn expensive. It’s 100% convenience.
Nah grocery stores fucking suck. You can go inside and walk around for an hour in the cold, surrounded by people, squinting through the shitty florescent light, searching for a thing they may not have.
I will sit in my bed, comfortable and unbothered, and have shit sent to me. This is worth $5 - $10 or whatever.
you might consider talking to a medical professional because being that uncomfortable is not normal…
two steps ahead of you lol
It used to make sense during the COVID lockdowns, but at least where I live most stores stopped offering that service soon after the pandemic
grocery stores have offered it here in sweden for years now and i still do not understand the value proposition, like they’re charging like 20 bucks for delivery…
in what situation is transport of my food worth 20 euro? I’m going to have to go outside every day regardless, why wouldn’t i just bring the food with my on my way home?
If they charged 5 bucks for it then i would understand, but then it wouldn’t be profitable for them…
What does the comment history look like on those accounts? I’m guessing when you pay for the spam package, they create fake comment histories for the bot accounts.
First guy has a short history within one post five months ago, then 3 years prior. Second guy and third guy has a big gap 3-7 year gap in history then suddenly a lot of comments. So yea, bots.
Often times the services have a fleet of accounts, they have them do reposts of old popular posts with titles and some content rephrased, then some of the rest of the fleet copies the top comments and rephrases those and posts them below.
This builds a history of realistic and semi popular looking posts in a way that is fairly easy to automate . Anyone who looks closely could potentially figure out a given account, or even cluster of accounts, is farmed, but it takes effort and time to prove it, more effort and time than it takes for them to spool up another batch of bots.
Don’t forget to add a typo in the title of the repost for extra engagement!
They also buy active accounts with high karma and age. I got offered $100 in BTC for my account one time. I guess they did not look at how horny my comments were.
The horny just adds credibility
fleet of accounts
I like the use of the term “fleet” in this context, bc it brings to mind the Battle of Midway but re-done with bots online.
Who’s Yamamoto and Nimitz in this situation?
Well let’s see… first we gotta figure out the analogy:
- carriers = posts promoting a product
- carrier escorts = posts commenting on and upvoting the “carrier” post
- torpedos/dive-bombs = bot-delivered replies that disparage “carrier” posts. They “hit” if they get highly upvoted
- fighters = bots that downvote carrier-fleet posts and upvote torpedo/dive-bomb replies
- carrier “screen” fighters = bots that post attacks on enemy fighters and munitions
- carrier AA fire = bots that downvote attacks by enemy fighter bots
The analogy is still a little clumsy… are “carriers” posts, or are they the bots that make the posts? etc. But a Midway-like battle would involve a modest but strategically-positioned product-promoting community that is about to be surprised-attacked by a rival, who will make several posts disparaging the product. But the attack is identified through corporate espionage. The posts are hard to find, so the “fighters” have to search for them but ultimately they do, and after fierce up- and down-voting, the attacking posts are deeply downvoted.
Making sense tbh.
Report them for hate speech.
Kinda wanna embrace our AI overlords ngl.
Ooh that’s a good one. Sounds legit.
