Heh seems to me that these pedophile hunters are just violent hateful people who found a way to make their hate and violence appear righteous.
There should be no tolerance for vigilante justice in a civilized society.
Ah that’s the thing, we’re not civilized
We’re about to have roving gang of Nazi vs pedos! Just attacking each other like crime gangs in the streets.
This is what about when young people have no future.
“Where [is] evil? It’s that large part of every man that wants to hate without limit, that wants to hate with God on its side.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Mother NightWhere is this civilized society at, in the US?
While pedophile hunters seem barbaric to me, I don’t have kids.
I do have a dog, and dog hunter hunters, as in “people hunting dog hunters”, seem all right for me.
Cowards really like to inflict pain on creatures not well enough protected by the law. So hunting them is maybe good for the society.
So deontology and principles and morals only matter when they are challenged by one’s own impulses. Innocent until proven guilty in the court of law.
You can dislike pedophiles and dog hunter yet still recognize some asshole doing it out of inflamed self-righteousness with no regard for evidence, human rights, due process is not the right solution. If even the legal system with all its checks and balances gets things wrong so often, what can you expect from some asshole out for blood?
The criminal justice system is meant to not only seek justice for victims, keep us safe from predation…… well yes vigilantism is another form of predation. Their self-righteousness doesn’t absolve their guilt. Heck, at least most pedophiles don’t try to defend themselves as doing their job right thing
Yes, yes, I know all that. I meant that all this conversation is rather useless because when actually compelled to do something, most people ignore principles.
I think you can dislike pedophiles and even want to see them punished, yet still recognize that some asshole doing it to get revenue from their YouTube channel is not the right solution.
Personally, I’m of the opinion that most crime is the result of either poverty or neurological flaws, and torture is not the best solution to either problem.
People need to be kept safe, and the criminal justice system is ostensibly the mechanism we’ve decided to use for that.
Reddit would be outraged about an 18 yo dating a 16 yo, though. Some people have really weird and unrealistic views on this
Those Redditors are probably 16 year olds themselves upset that the girls they like are always going for 18 - 20 year olds
That’s why I find reddit so strange. Age gaps is apparently the most demonic thing you can do. No matter if you’re 19 dating a 17 or 34 dating a 27 you’re a huge red flag either way.
Yup, and the arguments are so weirdly self centered, too. “I went through so much when I started college, what would I talk about with someone in HIGH SCHOOL?” (19-17 gap) Dude, you started smoking pot and went to a few frat parties, it’s not that deep. Also are these people just always discussing life experiences for some reason? No shared interests, hobby groups, common acquaintances?
I had a friend who was visiting Florida, and this vigilante group from some church setup a Grindr account to catch gay men. They made a profile of a guy in his 20s, had convos and planned to meet, then asked him to talk on some other platform, where his profile said he was underage. Keep in mind, this is just a fictional person. And the Florida court loves to toss LGBT in jail, so beware out there.
Solution bait the baiters
Practical solution, abandon all social interactions with strangers
I’m way ahead of you in my basement of solitude.
You can use that against them, say they are in the church right now
They should be stalking the Repuglicans in Washington. Make a ton of bounty I bet
I’m going to be honest, I’m suspicious of every single ‘pedophile hunter’. They are going after a demographic that people will not rush to defend, even if innocent.
Also, these ‘hunters’ probably have something shady going on in their own lives, and this is some form of projection that they also profit off of.
In Norway last year we had a case where 5 16-19 yo set up a sextrap for a guy in his 40s.
The teens claimed he’s a pedo, beat him, filmed it and posted it online.
All of the “pedohunters” involved were found guilty on all accounts. The guy is free and getting a big pay out from the teens.
It’s really unfortunate, but these kinds of people aren’t in it to prevent child abuse. They’re in it for themselves.
but these kinds of people aren’t in it to prevent child abuse. They’re in it for themselves
you just described all republican politicians
There was a similar case that happened on a college campus in America. Five 18 year -old students, all of whom can legally consent, lured a guy toward the dorms through a dating app. When he arrived, the students swarmed him with phones out calling him a pedophile. They are now being charged.
I’m going to be honest, I’m suspicious of every single ‘pedophile hunter’
I find it suspicious that they dont just go for the low hanging priest fruit in the catholic church… this does seem to be a largely religious group of people who conveniently ignore this behavior from their own kind.
The problem is, they are going for low hanging fruit by targeting unknowns with little to no representation.
Catholic priests have the full force of the Catholic Church to protect them from legal attacks that some dinky YouTuber will not be able to combat.
Also, Catholic priests do not need to go on dating apps or websites where they could potentially get lured because they are most likely targeting the children in their parish, under their direct control.
I wouldn’t even be surprised if a bunch of them are pedophiles themselves. Projection and such.
There’s been a ton in the UK outed as predators themselves. It’s projection.
Well, there’s this case.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/373981/fake-pedophile-hunter-convicted-of-child-pornography
ya it does seem to be a comings from a group of people who are overly obsessed with CP, like way more than the average person is… might be a bit of projection on their part methinks
Reminds me of Republicans questioning Ketanji Brown literally the only thing they asked about her was about how hard she was on pedophiles. The level of projection was palpable. Basically confirmed that all Republicans are predators.
I have this questionable material for use in my honey traps.
‘I sit online all day pretending to be a teen girl and getting into dirty chats with strangers, it’s OK though because I’m doing it to stop the creeps…’
100%
Ding ding ding
Normal healthy people don’t plan to commit violent offenses on other people, unless there is a direct connection to the 3rd parties actions. Hunting people they have no connection to for fame and fortune is sickening.
There is an excessive usage of the word ‘hunting’. What all those people are doing is admitting that they consider people as animals, or an “acceptable” way of harassment. And just like people who where in the kkk they don’t care who that person is, but that they’re the most vulnerable minority.
100%.
There is an old trope about arsonists, they either become criminals or they become firefighters.
At least with firefighters, we don’t have to worry about if the firefighter is going to get the fire in a room alone later.
There are cases of arsonist fire fighters which is an even stronger analogy.
Those who claim to fight fires are often the ones setting them, so they can be seen as the heroes who extinguish them.
Really good point and in cases like this we should all be a lot more concerned with people who seem obsessive about a given subject. It’s not a coincidence that so many crackpot Q-anon “save the children from the demon vampires” nutcases were actually themselves pedos who were caught, or that Q-anon STARTED on a pedophile message board.
or that Q-anon STARTED on a pedophile message board.
Come again now?
8-chan was a “less moderated” version of 4-chan where the founders of Q-anon got started, it was a notorious forum for trading child abuse material.
There may be some angry former victims.
I’m going to be honest, I’m suspicious of every single ‘pedophile hunter’. They are going after a demographic that people will not rush to defend, even if innocent.
Exactly. They’re violent & hateful peple who found a way to justify it.
Also, the almost universal knee-jerk response that we have as a society broadly to child predation makes a helluva mask for trampling on the rights of others and making a scapegoat that will be condemned in the public court long before any charges are brought up. Creative editing and a thirst for views can make the producers of this content work harder to portray events out-of-context.
I’m sure there are plenty of actual predators who are worried about being hit with a sting, but I have seen more than a handful clips of these rogue pedo-hunters going after like, 21-year-old boys and their 17-year-old girlfriends, and people who looked genuinely confused and seemed railroaded into meeting someone.
I know this message will never stick with the wildly reactionary and emotional viewership who needs to hear it, but we make vigilantism illegal for a damn good reason, and just because Dateline managed to stay above the waterline for the most part, that doesn’t mean some operation of randos you know nothing about on youtube have both the best intentions and the legal acumen to actually make a difference. They may well be making the problem worse by setting up situations where stings against child predators could become outlawed.
I see it as people wanting to commit righteous violence. People have violent impulses, but we usually control them. Some people with extraordinary violent tendencies go looking for a place where it’s “okay” to let them loose. This is not the only example.
They see them everywhere except in their own home
Oh. They’re just gonna call people pedo and attack them even though they’re not. It’s extremely obvious.
probably under the guise of attacking lgbtq+ group.
Just prove you’re not a pedo and they will leave you alone.
You forgot the /s…
I never use /s. /s is the training wheels of online comments. /s is for cowards. Ride or die baby!
If anyone takes me seriously, it’s their own damn fault.
Ha, rock on with your bad self.
Good luck proving you’re not anything to an angry mob.
Reminder this fuckface ruined the investigation into Onision for his show.
Or very likely make mistakes. Vigilantes is nice in comic books and movies, in real life it turns terrible very quickly.
They’re going to attack LGBT people and say they’re pedos for being LGBT.
Sad because actual paedos gonna be like “who, not me, someone cried wolf on me!”… As someone who was trafficked and abused with my sister and then even after she got out, I’ve heard them laugh about paedos caught in the news and act like they’re not exactly that. Meanwhile the people who actually hurt me stayed or died free because you also see on the news how false accusations ruin innocent people’s lives, so it feels like what we say as real victims not only doesn’t matter but will be ignored because sexism is back full-swing and they prefer us women to be seen and not heard once again like the old days. I wish patriarchal societies weren’t hell-bent on using and ending women and children to justify their means of global blackmail control.
It should be illegal if they do not call the police afterwards they are done with their personal justice
Oh I get it. So this stuff gets pushed on left wing spaces. Then the left wing adopts this ethos where they say “pedo hunters aren’t good” then the right goes “oh you’re all pedophiles” and then the divide is bigger
Poorly regulated pedo hunters that can end up ruining genuine law enforcement efforts at catching pedos aren’t good.
Actually Leo don’t do shit about pedophelia, because it usually involves powerful people, usually ends up being a pastor, priest of the church or one of their own, or a politician. Some sites online hide in plain site, with a format similar to r/pics if you dig deeper there’s significant talk about commiting pedophelia acts, beastiality. And the sites often get taken down for other reasons besides thst
The bigger problem is that genuine law enforcement efforts are discouraged from actually catching pedophiles because they often end up being constituents of those same cops, either politically or socially. It’s either a priest, a super PAC donor, or another cop on the other end of that investigation.
Genuine law enforcement efforts?
Like their efforts to protect rapists? Or the genuine efforts to vote for a rapist and pedo for POTUS? And their genuine effort to provide cover for their pastor pedo?
Seems like a lot of these pedo hunters end up being pedos themselves
Lots of projection going on here
That’s not it. The right will lie about anything. If we change our beliefs to prevent the right from lying about us we would never have to stop changing our beliefs.
This is more about right wing militias hunting lqtb+ people under the guise of pedophilia.
No, I think this is it. This is the media doing what media does
Perhaps it’s best to make the distinction that this is creating a new type of predator, Violence Predators. Because that’s what the problem is. Right now they are going after the targets no one cares about, when they run low on those targets, either because the need for “content/violence” outpaces the supply of easy targets, some of them will find new ones, while using the old label to mask what they are doing.
So make that distinction, because it’s not about the people hunting pedophiles, it’s about the people hunting for violence. If there’s an overlap that doesn’t need to be the focus of the argument, because that’s the red herring.
Have they tried looking in churches and the Republican party?
Catholic church is just the tip but it is a low hanging fruit.
Lists are out there.
That would get them regulated, they’re only going after the “correct” “bad people”
Pedo accusations don’t come from concerns for kids but from enpowerement to do violence and the ability to righteously attack.
This inversion from concern for others to desire to cause harm through paranoia derived justifications is becoming a real problem.
If someone steps in to stop them attacking the innocent they will claim those people are defending pedos.
We’re going to have the stupidest of wars on our hands.
We’re going to have the stupidest of wars on our hands.
Finally, my decades of stupid training will pay off!
It’s basically the same motivation as people who have a gun and are itching for the apocalypse so they can loose the safeties.
Even saying that it’s righteous violence is ascribing positive motivations that may not exist. They’re just looking for someone to attack, and an alleged paedophile is a socially acceptable target to unleash that violence on.
One could call them the “Stupid Wars”
“Stupid wars need the MOST attention.”
There’s a reason an insane number of the people who publicly attack pedophillia are in fact pedophiles.
That too, but also some have been not to be pedos, I doubt these influencers will reveal the ones they attacked are not one,.bum
I assumed it was because they are so sloppy, they use it in any disagreement “you’re either with us or you’re a pedophile !” much in the same way we often here “don’t call everyone a Nazi” Do we see many Nazi calling each other Nazi in anger and in a derogatory manner ?
This.
Plus it’s self defeating. Too often when they find real predators, the evidence is tainted by the way it was collected by idiots who have no idea what they’re doing.
Yea, all of that is not admissible in court too. And they often end up attacking innocent people, additionally it labels them a pedo so, they instantly get fired, lose their wives, children, friends,etc
Eyup, I remember this one guy this dude found who was insanely guilty. Was not only in a “relationship” with a child, but was trying to get him to do cocaine.
The pedo-hunter who was onto him decided the best thing to do wasn’t to call the cops, but to harass him in a target and make a scene. So much so that the Target staff thought the hunter, not the pedo, was the criminal.
Police were called and they wound up arresting the pedo upon realizing the situation, but due to the harassment, the way the evidence was collected, and all that…
The only thing they could get him on was a traffic violation when the pedo was driving away from the Target.
My advice for people is this - Don’t be a pedo-hunter, while it is noble that you wanna fight back against the cruelty of the world… The truth is you’re going to wind up doing more harm than good unless you know EXACTLY what you’re doing. If you let your anger control how you do investigations, you’re not that much different from the killer cops that butcher the innocent.
Especially since sex crimes are ones where the mere accusation is enough to ruin people’s lives. I should know, I was nearly expelled at my Community College because a guidance consular blanket accused me of attacking a woman at her car. It was luck, a phone call to her boss, playing the autism card, and calling the bluff… asking her to prove the attack, provide witnesses, show me the police report, and she basically dropped everything and apologized when she couldn’t. And I knew she couldn’t, because I do not attack people, Hell, I have the muscle mass of Melvin Junko BEFORE he became the Toxic Avenger, even if I wanted to I’d just get my ass beat.
Later she tried it again over me using a female restroom as a transwoman, thankfully this was after Obama amended Title IX to cover transpeole so I once again had an Uno Reverse card. So I just got a call from her boss telling me to use whatever restroom I wanted and to ignore her.
I don’t know what’s wrong with that person or why she was so hellbent on getting me kicked out of school, but… I think of her a lot, not only because she traumatized me with her false accusations, but because thanks to her, I do know that false accusations do indeed happen, and sometimes they come from powerful people.
i forgot to mention some sites publically will list people who have exposed themselves, or pedos, i assume its a law that allows that, and thats how they find it. i happened to stumble a forum for specific cities, and they have a "pedo-map, like google map destinations.
In Austria the ‘pedophile hunters’ targeted gay men who were not pedophiles. If ‘paedophile hunters’ would actually care about their care, they would storm the next church…
This is obviously where this is going and it’s a big part why they’re obsessed with labeling people “groomers.”
The Church actually has a lower rate of child abuse than public schools…
A quick word to anyone seeing this and thinking “oh that’s fine”, look into the Snowtown Massacres". That’s what it looks like when this kind of thing actually happens. Life isn’t a Tarantino film, those who accomplish their aims violently are generally very dumb.
Hi everyone, just a friendly reminder that guns are legal in the United States for the time being.
paedophiles are horrible people but dateline culture was the worst thing to happen to pop culture lexicon
Dateline always felt wrong and I support the wood chipper solution but only after proper due process…
With that being said if a person gets killed, I don’t cru about it.
There are plenty of more worth while victims in the us daily.
Fucking ice gestapo doing rendition on US street… WTF
