Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.
What other murderers are your heroes folks?
Agree. This shit is unhinged.
Oh, did he actually do it?
Because last I checked, he’s a suspect and there’s no guilty verdict.
So if anything, this is just a innocent until proven guilty guy.
Then why are you all making him a hero if he didn’t do anything?
Who is “you all”?
Also it doesn’t matter if he did it or not from perspective of the class struggle and corporate oppression angle
The state chosen him to be the face of the people and they done fucked up because it back fired spectacularly.
So to answer your question… “We” didn’t make him anything the state presented Luigi as the alleged adjuster who was already was enjoying huge support prior to Luigi being set up with the conviction starter pack.
The state tried smearing him via fake news and socials… That failed too.
And the state has yet to even covict him of the alleged crime.
So you tell me what “we” actually did here beyond asking a few questions about what actually happened and why woulf somebody do this to such a leader lim brian Thompson.
What the fawk are you talking about? He’s a frustrated loser who came to a decision that murder would solve his poor back problems and maybe change the world LOL. I wonder if prisons have chiropractors. I hope the hell not.
Who is we? The only person who is throwing butthurt comments is you
Saying that the post has nothing to do with violence is pretty dishonest. Why do you think that the person who made the meme used Luigi Mangione instead of Bernie Sanders?
It made you post a comment though, would you have paid as much attention if it were yet another Bernie meme?
For the record, I’m just playing Devil’s advocate above. I agree that using Luigi Mangione in political memes inherently carries the connotation of violence.
I actually commented more because of OP’s insanely disingenuous take on the content. But, I don’t understand what that has anything to do with my statement though. I didn’t assert or deny that Luigi Mangione drives engagement. You might as well have replied to me with “llamas are pretty cute though”.
A person can be an idol/totem/icon of resistance. The post does not incite violence, nor does it display any violence. It does not break any rules.
Listen, I don’t think the post should have been removed, but I don’t think what you said is necessarily true. While obviously an extreme to make my point, if there was a non-violent quote from Hitler, nobody would bat an eye when it gets quickly removed. Of course Luigi isn’t the same as Hitler, but a case can be made that at a certain point the persons appearance is enough to make a statement, regardless of the quote in the post.
Of course, it’s different because nearly everyone on this platform supports the movement that Luigi represented (myself included).
You are comparing guerilla partisan resistance (from evil) with something that’s being resisted against (evil) and saying they both represent violence.
I think that’s not correct.
Some people that turn to violence in order to protect the weak are (treated as) heros.
Look at this bootlicker playing a voice of reason…
Lol
I hope the regime treats u well dear enough for this sober take
Whose boot am I licking, and how? Could you be more specific?
You are shilling regime position while pleading to be the reasonable one… I stated this above.
Which part don’t you understand?
I’m stating facts, not shilling anything. I don’t use Reddit and don’t care what they do or do not delete. I’m not advocating for or against Reddit’s position on this meme.
I’m pointing out that OP is either lying or ignorant if they think that this meme isn’t implying violence. That’s it.
You got a lot to learn about how the world works. But if you do understand and you still coming in here with this brain dead take. This is a boot licker behavior and I hope they treat you well enough to shill against your class interest.
I’m so confused. Presumably, you approve of what Luigi Mangione did - please correct me if I’m assuming wrong there. But proceeding assuming I’m right about that, isn’t violence the point?
Based on this I am going to assume you have not experienced enough of the life to understand what this is really about.
So I guess less of a bootlicker and more of a useful idiot then.
Unless you are part of the club… Then you are just shilling your class interest
Hmm
Allegedly
Either way the post didn’t explicitly or implicitly encourage violence and should’ve stayed up.
Why do you think that the person who made the meme used Luigi Mangione instead of Bernie Sanders?
Because Luigi everything has been getting censored by establishment media?
If you think that using Luigi Mangione in a post about the wealthy and elite doesn’t imply violence against those people, then we are simply going to have to disagree and I frankly think you are being intellectually dishonest.
Counterpoint: why did police and media parade Luigi around as if he were guilty? What if Luigi is completely unrelated to Thompson’s death? Police departments want us to think he’s guilty and violent, his case is a lot more about legal injustice than violence right now. But hell if they want us to think about violence, we’ll do it but in a way that doesn’t empower corporate elites.
It’s also about freedom of speech. I’m on Lemmy due to Reddit bans. Did I imply I was going to be violent? No. Just talking about Luigi will get you banned, Reddit appears to be complying in advance to political pressure. Why else would they care?
I am not defending Reddit. I don’t even use it. I don’t really understand how anything you said was a counterpoint, they are different topics. Regardless of if Luigi Mangione did or did not do it, or if it was or was not justified, is entirely irrelevant to what using him in a meme right now explicitly about the wealthy elite is implying.
The post talks about social media being owned by elites. It’s implying rampant censorship by social media, like Reddit, and also a twist on his story to make him look guilty without due process. I don’t know where you got the implication of violence from, you didn’t explain it yourself.
It does make me feel violently angry! But not because of Luigi, because of the billionaire’s evil actions towards us all.
Why did the meme creator take a well known Bernie Sanders meme, someone who is already fairly well regarded for standing up for the working class, and alter it to show Luigi Mangione instead?
Name the first person that comes to mind when you think of mega social media and news desperately skewing the story to alter due process by contaminating any random jury. Hint, it’s not Bernie Sanders.
I don’t think the image of Luigi is only about violence. It’s also a recognition of people’s pain at the hands of the ultra rich corporate elite. He symbolizes sticking it to the man, not just blind proletariat mob violence.
Many of us enjoyed the national unity that came from recognizing universal suffering at the hands of the US medical industry.
When did I say blind proletariat mob violence? I said violence. You threw those three extra words on there. He symbolizes sticking it to the man… By way of violence.
Who’s being intellectually dishonest again??
You implied proletariat mob violence. See what I did there?
No, I genuinely don’t. I don’t think you are taking this conversation very seriously so I’ll say good day to you.
You’re really good at projecting.
Like it or not, the man is a symbol for being fed up with being abused, killed, and sickened for profit. That sentiment transcends violence, which btw hasn’t been proven yet.
I agree. At most send an advisory message reminding the poster of rules and not to post worse. AT MOST. And I say that as someone who condemns the CEO murder and I don’t agree with Luigi being glorified in any way.
The monopoly men have worked very hard over the past one hundred years to stamp out class consciousness in the US. They won’t give in without a fight.
Bootlickers is the battle ground
If owners control them, they win
If they gain class solidarity, owners lose
“But if I lick boot hard enough maybe one day I’ll get to be an owner and control them!”
Now that I’m no longer on Reddit, I feel that I can finally speak my mind.
The only way we will be able to get rid of the billionaires is if we drag them out of their mansions by their hair and stick them into a guillotine. We need to face that they are too powerful for the law to take care of, and I doubt they will let themselves be taxed out of their riches. The only way to get rid of the dragon is to decapitate it.
They’re immune to laws. They’re immune to protests. Their money is untouchable. But they’re touchable. Nobody is immune to ballistics. Nobody really wants to open box number four but I fear we are there.
Hear hear. Hate to quote Dorito Mussolini, but “he who saves the world breaks no laws.”
Yeah, it was real nice of him to point that out for the rest of us 😀
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Whatever your opinion on the topic, posting this kind of thing to social media is a dumb move.
You think that law enforcement, billionaires and their security are not aware of social media and how to monitor and manipulate it?
You’re just making yourself, and everyone talking about this, a target and increasing the chance that someone kicks down your door, if you’re lucky it’s only the police.
The reason that mods remove these comments isn’t because they’re licking the corporate boot. If you let people plan violence at your house then you’re part of it. If you let people plan violence on your servers, then you’re part of it. That isn’t even going into the morality of what you’re suggesting.
Nobody should engage with this and it should be removed. Nothing good will come to you for going down this path.
Case in point, the richest one is currently dismantling the world’s most powerful government from the inside, with impunity
I think it’s interesting people keep posting things about this particular person when it’s likely to be filtered in all kiinds of media.
Not that I’m advocating for violence, but man, it seems like the people doing this would get their point across a lot more easily by posting pictures of groups of teens.
Everyone worships him and his deeds at the same time you let America turn into a dictatorship and let trump destroy everything. So hypocritical to celebrate him but at the same time sipping coffee watching all your future being destroyed… Luigi, on the other hand, has taken action… what about you and the heads in the sand? Hypocrites hypocrites hypocrites FCK Amerika
Pretty sure he is pissed on the citizen too!
I’m not saying that anyone should stop supporting him.
I am saying that if the end goal is to communicate messages of support for the types of things he did, it would likely make more sense to post pictures that couldn’t be easily filtered.
Groups of teens would get a message across(“guillotines”) but would be difficult to filter effectively.
Pictures of one particular character are a lot easier to block.
Filtering systems can effectively block 100% of pictures of Luigi Mangione and of the character Luigi, but if people just posted picture after picture of groups of teenagers, that would be a lot harder to effectively filter.
Text analysis of every single comment etc. Images are irrelevant if the rest reveals the context. Plus for meta data… The profiles that tech companies have of people, including assignment of devices with mac + IP. Very easy, especially with AI, and what a coincidence that everyone is planning such huge data centers just for AI… will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently. ( way more effizient as germany. )
will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently.
Did you mean ethnic, or do you really think there is such a thing as ethical censorship?
I’m just talking about censorship, and I’m talking about ethical cleanup… it will be easy to group people into political thinking religion etc. The Republicans would love to see Democrats dead right now… Making the lists is no longer a job… Hitler would have been happy… So I see the Democrats in America already in mortal danger… All Trump would have to do is claim it would be good for the economy and the Republicans would swallow it.
How is that ethical though? Ethical is synonymous with moral.
I can’t tell if I should assume you mean that or if I should assume you mean ‘ethnic’ like a racial group.
Sarcasm? With Hitler it was also ethical cleaning too… although it was just mass murder… think about that instead.
Hopefully more people will take action, but change is slow.
People need to realize what he did was necessary and we need more work like it done. We need more discussions, more alliances, more promotion of fighting back instead of being afraid of it.
Right now, the main fear among those brave heroes plotting to overthrow our oppressors are those being paid by the oppressors to protect the current power structure.
It’s a war. We’ve been conditioned not to see it.
It’s all hero worship, our civic tradition is (unintentionally?) very heavily based on The Great Man concept, Washington crossed the Potomac, not the people in the army, MLK won the right for civil rights, not the thousands of people working together for decades, etc etc
Luigi will save us (no, it will take all of us)
Well, it will definitely end with WW3 thanks to Trump. He has already given the go-ahead for global rearmament. Although too many still deny it (outside America)… The East has heard the starting signal for his first term and enjoyed the destabilization. The West is still in the process of realizing that… which means it’s already too late, they slept through it. The East is better positioned for war. The one that provided the balance (America) is not ready for war, because one way or another there will be a civil war before the ethical cleansing begins. Also, every democrat should have a weapon for the future to protect themselves.
Trump always blames others for what he himself plans… Well now he blames others for starting ww3… 1+1= trump wants ww3 and to thin America of population.
Our insurance is tied to our jobs. If we lose our jobs, we lose any potential for financial stability in the face of illness or injury. If you protest and get hurt, you’re on your own.
It’s a billionaires world, and we’re just living in it.
How? If they get killed. death people cant do anything
Luigi was also aware before he did it that his life would be over. It didn’t stop him from doing the right thing.
I’d say letting people realize that even a picture of the guy with no violent messages attached gets removed is a really good way to get a point across.
If “Section 230” is repealed by the Maga-Idiots any US social media plattfrom will become liable for what the user’s posts, they will have to do MUCH cleanup.
Any threat. Any wrongful accusation, and harm done to reputation will be OWNED not by the user in question… but the company providing the plattform, as if they are a newspaper and all users are staff writers.
Imagine writing “Dodge only make shitty cars that break all the time” on X, and X is now held accountable by Stellantis for damaging their reputation.
I hope they do it. Plattforms that make billions from free work of the users, should own the liabilities.
I was for this when it passed originally but now seeing what these companies have done with it in the intervening years, I think maybe I was giving them too much benefit of the doubt
it would also un-shield any site from user generated content, making lemmy instance operators liable. all comment boxes on any site would disappear; the dead internet theory would become a reality overnight within the us
Well than don’t operate within the US.
The Maga aßholes want to be hateful on the internet without getting moderated. Without moderation it’s okay that the plattform becomes the publisher and is liable. I’d not be sad for meta/reddit/Twitter to just implode on legal fees… owning the fake news they allow to be distributed…while making money off advertisers…
lol in France we got the same but it’s basically just one guy who owns all the media.
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Patron saint of justice.
I’ve been calling him Patron Saint Luigi lately lol
This is perfect for a non violent easter post 🤩
Delete reddit
Removing billionaires is self defense, don’t let anyone tell you different. They commit acts of gross violence on the general populace every single day. It’s time to re-balance the scales.
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#killbill
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The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.
Max Stirner
This is why billionaires didn’t like Lina Khan. As head of the FTC she understood her job was to prevent and break up monopolies. The billionaire monopoly winners disagreed.
That sub generally isn’t a meme sub so it’s not surprising they removed it for non conspiratorial reasons.
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Lemmy’s security is largely in its obscurity. If the community ever gains the degree of popularity or prominence as Reddit, it will succumb to all the same socio-economic pressures.
Hell, Reddit’s origin story isn’t far off from Lemmy’s. A left-wing FOSS guy pioneers a novel means of aggregating information in a relatively decentralized and community-oriented way. But then the capitalists move in, he’s arrested, the administration of the site is auctioned off to VCs, and the site is slowly mutated into an echo chamber for neoliberal propagandists and reactionary agitators to scream at one another, drowning everything else out.
Lemmyites want to believe they’ve engineered a technical solution to what is ultimately a socio-economic problem. The human labor that makes Lemmy work can be attacked and replaced, the communities that form alienated from one another and censored by moderators and dispersed, and the popularity monetized here just like has happened elsewhere.
This isn’t a safe social media space. Its just a lingering redoubt in an internet that’s been under siege for decades.
Reddit was never FOSS. Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better. If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
Reddit was never FOSS
https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit?tab=License-1-ov-file
It was licensed under CPAL which is an approved license by both the FSF and OSI.
Reddit was never FOSS.
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo, did a (possibly deliberately) poor job of maintaining the repo despite this source code resulting in a plethora of 3rd party site enhancements and feature suites, then ultimately close its code nine years later.
Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
RedHat did Linux extremely dirty, and they’re hardly the first. It also has a significantly larger, more skilled, and more international userbase.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better.
That’s a beautiful lie. Lemmy’s federation has been its pioneering feature, but it continues to backslide into Reddit-with-Extra-Steps. If anyone could claim they were building something truly novel, it was Mastadon. But that complexity and novelty has been an albatross around their necks since day one.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo
I stand corrected, although it seems to have beern a corporate gambit.
I can see where you’re coming from, reading you’re other reply in this thread, but I’ll just try to hold on to my idealism a bit longer :)
Like, don’t get me wrong. Lemmy’s a better place than Reddit ever was. There’s reason to be hopeful. But I see a lot of reflexive naivete and simple ignorance surrounding what this community functionally is and how it works.
The biggest threat to Lemmy isn’t a security vulnerability or a procedural defect, but the simple value it accrues through its own success.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
I’ll find you, UnderpantsWeevil. Under every rock, under every pant I’ll look, till I find you precious weevil.
💘
That it literally why we have Lemmy and other AP sites. Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
Likewise reddit was never decentralised.
Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
There is no particular reason why a committed group of business professionals couldn’t work their way onto the largely volunteer Lemmy team and hijack the project, buy out major site administrators, or point the Feds in their direction like they did with Aaron Swartz or Ross Ulbricht.
There’s nothing magical about the Fediverse. Its still the product of human labor and hardware, just like every other online space.
As I understand it, the fediverse as a whole is composed of instances, each one communicating with whichever other instances it wishes (the instances acting as social medias of sorts). Each instance is created by people making their own thing, so if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world. Is this not the case?
if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world.
Websites get traded on the backend regularly without hemorrhaging their userbases. A large site is going to have a degree of inertia. People aren’t going to all simultaneously pick up out of .world and go to .world2 because someone on le.mee or .shi.tjustworks talks shit about the mods. There’s too much of a trust deficit, just for starters. And it would be a two-way street if it wasn’t (people in .world claiming le.mee was the one that got taken over and you should decamp from them to our instance).
Past that, you can always make a new website even before federation. The trick is then getting a working community to include you in their network of links and shares. Federation makes that process more explicit and more pronounced. But most local instances have learned not to federate with everyone in the fediverse (because there’s so much gnarly shit out there), which means doing promotion and negotiation to get your new instance recognized by the survivors.
In a single case of a single instance getting taken over, migration is possible if a bit painful. But if it happens repeatedly, thanks to a professional business team going after instances strategically while individual largely-ignorant users have to respond organically, then the Fediverse doesn’t have a chance over the long term. Eventually, the business interest gets control of enough high profile domains and pollutes the means of interpersonal communication to such a high degree that you either trust your instance or you abandon the Fediverse entirely.
It becomes a game of “Who Is The Werewolf?”, which strategically favors the werewolves.
It’s also propaganda. The more the recipients, the more valuable it becomes to dump huge amounts of money into controlling the narrative with propaganda posts, for which you don’t need admin control over the servers.
Did you follow the 196 controversy at all? An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough. Add in the loss in traffic from being defederated by everyone, and it would be a big loss for whoever bought the instance.
An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
That wasn’t a one-and-done. The community had been bleeding for years, thanks to the increasingly reactionary vibe on the site. Mods built a life-raft (not unlike CTH or The_Donald after the purges in 2020) and decamped eventually. But it wasn’t spur of the moment, and it certainly wasn’t with the original user base intact.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough.
I see entire instances shut down overnight. But, again, this tends to be after the admins have purged the mod crews and the community at-large has either splintered or evacuated. Users tend to be sticky within their communities, even after a great deal of disruption.
I was thinking more of the community leaving 196@blahaj, and moving to onehundredninetysix@blahaj, that was a much more organic reaction.
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Agreed! There is no reason to congregate on lemmy.world.
They’ve already shown their “rules” don’t really matter; they’ll just ban whoever they want and keep whoever they want.
Yesterday I saw clips on TV from us media supporting trump’s stances on Ukraine and stuff like that. Made me quite angry because the way that the presentation of the news was set up was to influence the viewer. Nothing else. It wasn’t to inform, it was to influence.
When it’s about politics on Belgian nationalised TV channel, then it’s always various people who share their points of view and it’s more to inform than to dictate.
MSM in the uss are owned 6-7 trump loving conservatives thats why. last years was nothing but sanewashing trump news, while ignore all the epstein investigation+ we havnt heard from mis GHISLAINE maxwell for like 2 years by then in the news, besides epstein she was the 2nd in command in relation of his operations, she knew everything that was going on, but not a peep from msm about her.
I fuckin hate that people use Luigi’s picture for causes he wasn’t (allegedly) explicitly championing even when I agree with them.
Quit making Luigi Mangione your mascot.
Thats why this post was interesting. It had nothing to do with luigi or violence but they removed it anyways.
Stfu
You should feel bad for being this awful at trolling
Why?
I think it’s shitty to put words in people’s mouths.
Why do you think that’s a good thing to do?
Im not saying it is or isn’t, but was curious in your reasoning. One reason it might be justifiable is if it could help bring about some change.
This isn’t the first time I’ve been downvoted for expressing that opinion and have yet to see a reason for why everyone seems to be OK with putting words in his mouth. It’s especially dumb on this meme because he’s not “once again” asking anything. He literally never brought it up once.
He’s a human being, not a mascot.
Mate, calm down. It’s a reference to the Bernie Sanders meme:
https://imgflip.com/memegenerator/224015000/Bernie-Sanders-Once-Again-Asking
