Summary
A new Leger poll reveals that 27% of Canadians now consider the U.S. an “enemy” country, while 30% still see it as an ally.
The survey follows escalating tensions, including President Trump’s tariff threats and his suggestion that Canada should become a U.S. state.
Trump remains widely unpopular in Canada, with 74% viewing him unfavorably. Political affiliation influences perceptions, with Conservatives more likely to see the U.S. as an ally.
Liberals, NDP, and Bloc Québécois supporters view the U.S. more negatively.
I am a U.S. citizen (stuck in the U.S.) and I view the U.S. as an enemy country
How are you stuck in the US?
How am I stuck in the country?
My government won’t issue me a passport.
Aside from the extreme financial and planning difficulties involved with emigrating, It’s exceedingly difficult for trans individuals to get a passport right now. The department of state has been destroying identity documents of anyone who is currently or has previously requested an official gender change and they are not providing any recourse or remedy to the issue.
Just a “please leave or you will be arrested” when asked what can I do to get a passport…
Jfc. Unbelievable. Well, very believable. Scumbags.
I don’t have the financial wherewithal to pick up and move to another country. If I did I’d be out of here.
Don’t listen to that guy. Canadians know Americans, and we know some of you are fine. Hopefully it gets easier to come here soon enough.
you could go to vietnam probably
stay where you are.
You’ve fucked up enough countries.Oh yeah, because some dude working at a DeMoines McDonalds is really tearing other countries apart.
Get real, homie.
not your homie.
90+ percent of US votes for the uniparty and when it comes down to it they all support their imperial wars and profit from it.
They can go to hell.90% lol you can’t even get 50% to vote
so i should care about them?
Damn, you sure are good at getting people to rally around your point.
Keep it up, HOMIE. You’re really changing minds.
And by the way, since you’re so god damned self righteous, I didn’t vote for Trump OR Kamala. So what “uniparty” did I vote for? Fucking reactionary leftists destructing their own, that’s you.
Homie.
but the person you are talking to didn’t. That’s the very premise of this conversation. Please find another justification, homie.
what is wrong with you
Screw you. The peasant is not the imperialist.
@harsh From your values, sounds like I would welcome you to my country.
These libs now get a piece of their own medicine.
They wouldn’t give a shit about the rest of the world.
Oh, so there’s not another Country that’ll just pick up your tab and give you free food, a phone, a car, help you get a place to live and let you have one of their citizens jobs? Got it!
Money.
Also, people tend to have things like friends and family.
If I could gather all my friends and family with me and move out of this backwards ass shithole, I would. It’s not that simple.
Have you ever considered how expensive it is to emigrate to another nation? And then there’s the acceptance part, which anyone who has gone through it can tell you, is VERY difficult.
The uncertainty surrounding it is just far too much for most people.
Apart from the cost, logistics, finding a job…emigrating is terrifyingly huge.
That’s exactly my point. America is the greatest country on earth. You can’t just waltz into other countries and get the help that you can get here. Yes, right now things are changing in that respect. We’ve been taken advantage of in a huge way and it’s simply not sustainable.
You could not more wrong. American capitalism is the worst form of capitalism in the world. It is only attractive to people from truly desperate situations.
You know what? Go fuck yourself.
This is always the Libertarian shitpost response: “you’re free to do what you want” because you don’t recognize economic coercion. It’s a perfectly OK form of limiting freedom. Fuck off.
I could tell you why I would choose to stay where I am even if I had the resources to leave. It is actually possible for some of us to put together a decent life for our families and try to brighten the lives of those around us.
…Even though our government is somewhere between evil and self-destruct, and our culture is somewhere between “fuck you got mine” and “die woman/jew/brown/LGBT+/other!”
And yeah I’m a straight white dude, how did you guess? :/
But anyway, I’ve lived in the same house for 17 years. It is a 10 minute walk to the elementary/middle school my son will attend for the next 5 years. It is a 6 minute drive to the office for the best job I’ve ever had. We are active in our community and school district, and have some wonderful friends. All my son’s grandparents are within a reasonable drive (but not too close). All my nieces and nephews are similarly close by.
It’s a small modest house that we’ve made our own. In the past 5 years we’ve done some major renovations, repairs, and remodeling. We fenced in the back yard which is great for our kid and our multiple dogs. And our tortoise. Oh yeah, we’re animal lovers. And that includes a koi pond that I built in the back yard that’s literally part of my mental health self-care.
Moving to some place that seems less insane right now would materially change my entire life, not just which government I have to live under.
They should.
Our populace is too stupid to vote responsibly, which means the filth will always rise to the top, which means our government will always be corrupt, which means it can’t be trusted.
Distance yourself from us. Form allegiances with other countries. We cannot be trusted.
I’m sorry. I’ve voted at every opportunity to prevent this outcome. Many of us have. Just not enough.
I’ve voted at every opportunity to prevent this outcome.
I’m afraid to ask
What would possibly be unclear here
What’s more appalling is that 13% of Canadians have a favourable view of Trump. Do better Alberta. Do better.
That’s not funny. Grocery stores here are filled with people weeding out the American products, too.
And rightfully so. We currently have a dictator that is threatening to absorb them into the collective shithole that America has become…
I cannot blame them one bit and I’m surprised the percentage is that low.
I view the U.S. as an enemy country right now, and I live here.
You complete me.
Do I foresee little ProfessorNougatScience babies in the future…?
Been that way at least 25 years.
Yeah big same!
I’ll never understand staying in a place you hate.
I understand that options aren’t available to everyone
A mixture of emotions. In my case,
1.) I live in Illinois and bought a home in 2020 when the interest rate was 3.2% as a first-time homeowner. If I were to sell and look for a new home, the interest rate in Canada would be somewhere around 4%, plus the cost of living is higher compared to where I live. That’s ignoring the complications that could come from obtaining a permanent work visa as a foreign citizen.
2.) I love my job as it is now and it may be difficult to find a job in the same field. Also, my wife recently found a job in her career field and for the first time wants to stay at her employer for the foreseeable future; working in public health and helping the people this horrible healthcare system is failing to care for.
3.) Family and friendship ties to the area.
4.) There’s some semblance of hope if we stay. I do still want the best for everyone that I share this earth with. Even if it were financially viable for me to leave, there’s millions that aren’t so lucky. If I pack up and leave that’s one less person voting for progressive policy and advocating for empathy in a country that has real projective power in the world.
5.) Illinois, as a blue state, is temporarily insulated from damaging policy that Trump is trying to enact. JB Pritzker has remained steadfast in his opposition to Trump and regressive political action.
I liken it to French opposition during the period of Nazi occupation. (Clearly it’s not a 1:1 comparison.) The french resistance hampered Nazi wartime efforts just enough to keep Nazi logistics from being able to cross the channel and occupy Great Britain. If that were to happen, the United States wouldn’t be able to set up any sort of staging area on the other side of the Atlantic ocean. Amphibious assaults would have taken place on the western coast of GB where there’s cliff faces rather than the sandy beaches at Normandy. Maybe Germany is then able to allocate more troops to the eastern front in that scenario, who knows. But thankfully that’s just a hypothetical and isn’t something we have to ponder.
What are you going to do about it?
Edited to add
Second time I’ve asked this and second time I’ve been downvoted to hell. Seems Americans don’t like their apathy challenged. It’s easy to be a keyboard warrior but no one seems to like facing the reality that they may have to actually do something about it.
You’re probably being down voted because of the presumption that we’re not doing things. Protests, calling representatives, boycotts, mutual aid networks, etc. Some of us work directly in politics or directly in government, and do what we can in those spaces, too.
It’s kind of irritating to get a finger-wagging admonition when you’re exploring all options short of outright assassination. And if the suggestion is to just start shooting, well, I think it’s asking more than you think for someone to choose to become a killer.
And perhaps you could explain why my other reply to those that answered earnestly also get downvoted. For example, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16824568
The question contains no presumption. I want to hear what Americans are going to do about the rise of fascism in their country directly from Americans’ mouths (or this case, finger tips).
If you’re actively protesting, calling reps, or working from within as you say, I say good job and good start.
If that’s true, instead of asking a rather blunt and extremely-easy-to-misinterpret question of individual people, go post a question about it somewhere. The presentation you’ve chosen (I saw the other one in the wild as well) comes across as rude and combative, even if that’s not the intention. It’s a quite bad way to foster open and honest conversation.
Since this Trump thing started rolling a whole month ago, people have been quite openly hostile toward Americans. And like fine, we get it, but many of us -are- doing things, and always have been trying to make things better… and we are getting caught by the same exhausting “you should have done more!!! You deserve it, this is what you voted for!!! Reeeeee!!!” That’s being slung at people who actually do deserve it. It’s really tiring, on top of everything else, to have to defend ourselves and our actions to random insensitive internet people with zero cause. We 75 million active blue voters can only do so much at a time to fix a country of 350 million incredibly diverse people (and we’ve been working at it for years if not decades, this loss was devastating for many of us). Most of whom are either stupid or selfish. Most of whom have never actually seen voting red or blue to have a marked impact on anything, because until quite recently it truly hasn’t made much material difference for your average person.
Before you ask, I’m working on getting my house ready to sell so I can buy some land to build up, solo and with as much manual effort as needed, into an off-grid year-round passive-productive farm (big ask in hardiness zone 4! But I’m 💪 capable!), that forms the foundation of a robust mutual aid network to help everyone I can… tho the fruits (and veggies) of my labor are far too sweet for the vipers that are fascists, so they get nothing but shot. They made this mess and I will do absolutely nothing to protect them from the consequences. Fortunately, they can’t help but tell you who they are. Every aid package or delivery will contain pro-social messaging, about banding together to get through the hard times, about supporting everyone based on need not ability, etc. I’ll also be building additional housing on this land (again, entirely solo, other than electrical), so I can provide soft landing for friends and family, or hire a person to help me in exchange for food and board for their family.
Those who are really going to do things about stuff shouldn’t yap about it on social media. Loose lips sink ships.
Right now I’m in a holding pattern. There’s a non-zero chance that Trump will be distracted by something shiny and we’ll move on to the next fucking fever dream crisis. There’s also a really, really good chance that if he does order to invade Canada, real shit will start to pop off here.
Trump isn’t calling the shots.
I downvoted you after your edit, because you’re a little bit of a dick about it.
Nice try. How long have you been working at DOGE?
Nice try? To do what? Spur Americans into not sliding further into fascism? Guilty as charged, I guess.
Oh of course, sorry about that… (winks) officer.
There’s a good chance that wherever you live, far-right candidates are making headway in your government. What are you doing about it?
The federal government where I live is not actively imploding, so right off the bat I would like to point out that it’s a false equivalence. However, there is definitely a ton of headway to make in my more local area.
I am staying aware of my local politics, vote every chance I get, contracting my government representatives. I campaign for the people I think can help my area and country the best, and I encourage everyone I know to vote.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more. I will say also that with the USA burning every alliance it has in the span of a month, I’ve never more strongly considered joining the armed forces in some capacity.
If it’s already started slipping into fascism, you could be too late.
You have to stop fascism before it ever starts.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more.
Very easy to say. Hopefully you’ll never have to put your money where your mouth is.
I don’t disagree with you!
Godspeed! The US has a whole lotta pain coming up, and it will have a big effect on the world order. We’ve had it coming for a long time, though.
I don’t know about them, but I’ve been attending protests and getting more locally involved. I live in a very blue state so haranguing my local reps won’t do much since they’re already on the same page.
Good start, keep it up. Don’t dismiss contacting your reps just because you’re in a blue state.
What do you want people to say to you on the Internet that is owned and monitored by the same people doing this?
I just want them to honestly answer the question.
The reason you’re getting downvoted is it’s a problem even here in the country. It’s the “Why aren’t you doing anything about it?” to all of us.
In the case of me, I live 1000 miles away from the seat of power, our representatives actively are dismantling things we voted for, not national I’m talking, state level, because we’re outright surrounded by the people who are actively cheering for this. (and the example of the voting against, state voted to get rid of the most strict abortion law in the country, legalizing it… and now the representatives on state level are trying to get a pregnancy registry “to try to stop preventable abortions.” while the state rep at national level is trying to get a national abortion ban going. This is one of many many many things in the state by itself. Hell, I just learned the state just gained police control to the other city after they managed to vote that out.)
I didn’t downvote, but I want you to read “What are you going to do about it?” out loud. Hell, you yourself said it’s the apathy. But the fuck am I going to do? Show up and wave a sign at the people who already have shown they couldn’t give a flying shit about our opinions? Or be there when the fight starts and be a martyr. The second option the best case scenario is getting to be like Tank Man, but honestly demographics I’d be one of the many forgotten in the Tiananmen Square Massacre. And that’s what it’s going to look like, because this administration you better believe is looking for an opportunity to go full martial law, and if we don’t do it, their brownshirts will for them.
So the best I can fucking do is stock up, prepare, keep my head down, keep in contact with the people who are in the same boat as I am being in effectively enemy territory and use the privilege I have of looking like a standard white conservative to see how many I can keep safe when being that demographic is important.
Vote Yes when secession comes up?
Surprised it’s that low, before trump I would have thought it would be at around 25%
There are a lot of maple maga and confederate flag waving trash in Canada though, so it probably balanced out a bit
As a Canadian, this didn’t feel right so I actually opened the article and there you go it’s an online survey.
A little less than half of Americans are my enemy. This is also the same percentage of Canadians I consider to be my enemy.
The new right, freedom convoys, AFD, and other far right movements are our common enemy.
The big, important difference being that in the US the naughty third is in control.
US citizen here and I’m surprised that 27% isn’t much higher.
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US citizen here… can I bump up that number for them please? I’ll work and pay taxes without complaining about them.
I’m guessing it’s a split between considering the govt an enemy but not the people, along with people who think it’s nearing-but-not-quite an enemy.
It’s a problem with polls, they don’t give enough options and many times and the few options they give mean different to different people. If the US were an enemy I’d be too busy trying to figure out how to blow shit up in the US to have this conversation. That’s what I consider the word enemy to mean. We’re not there yet.
I’d classify the US as an adversary though. A country I’m opposing by non-violent means.
The United States of America is the enemy of the free world
There isn’t really a free world but the USA is definitely an enemy
It’s sad how the US has spent so long building up an alliance with Canada, only for it to all be ruined by Trump in such a short amount of time. I was planning on travelling to California but those plans have since been scrapped as I just don’t feel comfortable travelling to the US. I’m genuinely worried things may escalate further.
Well, with any luck we’ll both be able to visit the New California Republic in a few years
As a Californian, I’m hella stoked for the future nation of Pacifica.
I read this as Canada being the second head at first.
Which is actually appropriate, because we have a similar population, and would make sure the Republicans never win another election just like a second California (and besides the, y’know, French-tinged guerilla warfare).
That would be epic
So what you’re saying is California will declare its independence as soon as the genetic experiments to create an army of two-headed bears are successful?
Funny part first time I saw it I thought it could be 2 bears in profile for California mark 2.
I could see that if the second bear wasn’t missing two sets of legs.
It’s perspective hahahah
That’s not how perspective works.
If NY and California just split off or joined with Canada…
They should apply to the EU
Would be nice if Canada annex all of Pacific Coast
Patrolling the Mojave? Nah, a stroll around the Night City should be nicer even.
I have family down there that I’ll never see again. There’s no way in hell I’m going back down to that shithole, ever. It already felt like enemy territory even before the first Trump administration. Now it’s like booking a holiday in Nazi Germany in 1939. Fuck all that.
It’s 1933 Germany at worst. Give them some credit. /s
What part of the country already felt hostile? The South or some flyover state?
Florida I’m sure
I have relatives who moved to the states, they tend to come down once a year since they have their own business and can easily take off time whenever, whereas for me as a full-time employee it’s not so simple. I’ve already not visited the states in quite a few years so that part isn’t a loss for me at least.
I dunno if they will visit this year though, that will be interesting to see what happens with that.
I wanted to visit New York City but never had the chance.
I’m not going to be going any time soon, that’s for sure.
Yeah, that’s like the one part of America that holds mystique for me too. I guess American Samoa has the weird timezone.
It has been a constant barrage of misinformation spread across the world for decades.
We’ve seen many reports of misinformation farms from Russia, China and North Korea and this is the result of it.
misinformation farms from Russia, China and North Korea
For those unfamiliar:
The Internet Research Agency, also known as Glavset, and known in Russian Internet slang as the Trolls from Olgino or Kremlinbots, was a Russian company which was engaged in online propaganda and influence operations on behalf of Russian business and political interests. It was linked to Yevgeny Prigozhin, a former Russian oligarch who was leader of the Wagner Group, and based in Saint Petersburg, Russia.
The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao, are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People’s Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The program was created during the early phases of the Internet’s rollout to the wider public in China.
I wanted to go to my first Combo Breaker in Chicago but that’s not happening.
We just cancelled our trip to Disney, which is sad, but I see there are some other locations in Tokyo or Paris, so might look at going there for a middle ground.
As a Californian I can assure you that unless you’re in the absolute middle of nowhere nobody would even bat an eye at you having a Canadian accent.
I think there’s concern about the fucking plane crashing on the way. 100% legit concern.
Wow friend, that’s really reassuring buddy.
The US is the enemy of the world. Even of its own people.
We are absolutely an enemy to the free world now. There used to be a tiny sliver of decency, but that has long since been abandoned.
To the rest of the world: take us down.
With fucking what? You have the most powerful economy on earth, and you’ve used it to build the most powerful military on earth. Invading the US would be the most diasterous war the world has ever seen.
Wake the fuck up. If you guys don’t fix this shit, we are all completely and utterly fucked.
No one is coming to save you.
I don’t remember saying shit about us not handling this internally or going to war but you do you.
The idea that the USA is untouchable by global counterparts is absurd. Look at what Russia does to our elections with a couple of script kiddies. We can absolutely be targeted and displaced by outside forces, especially with the current crop of dipshits running the federal government right now.
They do have a point though, that it’s your mess to clean up. Unlike so many US citizens, many of us actually know that you don’t always need to blow something up, figuratively or literally, when it stops working properly.
We don’t want to “take you down”. We want you to finally start behaving your damn selves. Clean up your own fucking messes, we’re not your parents.
We couldn’t even get our fellow countrymen to wear cloth masks without them screeching and guzzling horse dewormer. We’ve been demanding universal healthcare since at least the 90s; we got a fucking insurance marketplace instead, and the right wing has never stopped bitching about it to this day. If we could clean it up, we would have, but there’s a subset of our population that’s hopelessly propagandized. The only upshot here is that it tends to be a regional phenomenon and might be able to be addressed via balkanizing; just walk away from the table and let the fucking bozos be bozos in their own little bozoville.
It’s a tough battle upwards, the established propaganda model helps make sure of that, but undeniably at the end of the day, the workers in the US hold more than enough power collectively to threaten decision makers into compromise (and, if you have the guts, submission). I’m not even talking about violence, I’m talking about things like withholding labor and simple sabotage.
It’s funny, the French are so often made fun of for being cowards but if their government does anything to try to strip their rights the whole fucking place throws a well deserved fit. The US mostly just sits on their fucking hands with the BLM protests being the only significant country-wide movement in a long time.
“We couldn’t”—fuck off, ya’ll didn’t even try. The slightest inconvenience and the country folds, and that’s even if any of you are paying any attention to the news at all. Too many of you fools don’t even know what the fuck is going on; at least Fox viewers are trying to keep up with politics(badly, but they’re doing it).
Get your fuckasses outside and do something that isn’t passing blame and staying home.
Every time we “do stuff” the mainstream media seizes the narrative and blocks popular support. The big thing from my region was CHAZ… a protest occupying ten city blocks for almost a month in response to police brutality. National media convinced the Right that we burned down Seattle, cops threw a fit and stopped doing their jobs, and if anything things are worse now for having tried.
We need enough general unrest that when things get violent, and they will, they can’t monopolize the narrative and send in the military. And even then I think the Right wins that war unless other countries are willing to help.
There is more than just “main stream media” out there. And yes, it’s a hard battle to fight, I won’t deny that, but c’mon, really? And this also goes back to the fact that too many citizens don’t even know what’s going on at any given moment out of willful ignorance.
That’s fair and I 100% agree.
All Russia did was give a nudge to the literal trillions of dollars in capital held by elites who wanted nothing more than full-blown fascism. All the Kremlin had to do was finance whoever could sow the most distrust in democratic institutions and wedge themselves in existing divides within the US. It’s the most boring coup in history, people voting for Hitler not because of Bolshevism of whatever but because they’re triggered by fucking vaccines and pronouns.
Conversely even if the EU went full hybrid warfare (which we aren’t because we can’t even do anything about the open fascists in our own Union), the counterplay is rebuilding trust which is harder by orders of magnitude than just buying up a social media, deleting moderation, and promoting the Nazi stuff.
Best we could hypothetically do is sanction y’all into autarchy and hope the subsequent recession/depression acts as an electroshock to the population, but you’re already doing it to yourselves and besides I see no reason why the two thirds of y’all who either don’t care or actively support fascism would change their minds. It will be just like Putin Orban or Erdogan, 15 years from now shit will be worse than ever for the 99 % but Republicans will still win elections without even needing to cheat much thanks to their complete control over state propaganda. Your democracy is dead, you should be moving through the stages of grief and planning your next move.
I’d love to be proven wrong but there’s too much historical precedent, and zero precedent to Americans being even remotely close to politically conscious enough to engage in “forceful” political change (unless the force is being exerted on Black people, then the “well regulated militia” comes out the woodwork). Hell, the videos from “protests” I’ve been seeing this week in your major cities look so pathetic it makes Denver look like a large village.
don’t invade us
gets out ballgag
ooooh i’d hate it soooo much to get invaded
handcuffs self to radiator
it would be so awful getting invaded
I think I’m going to invade that ass
You have power. Help us out: https://specificsuggestions.com/
See also: CIA guides to simple sabotage.
That’s because conservatism is a wildly violent mental disorder that seeks to destroy all positive freedom and oppress everyone in the most ruthless ways possible. They have to be killed, and you had better be arming up. This is not hyperbole; you do not understand who you are dealing with.
We did have an idea, we saw the gas chambers. Now just like the Israelis, we’re taking a turn at being the bad guy, so yeah arm and practice. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast
Sorry Canada
I’m an American and also see the United States as an enemy country. Our worst enemy, in fact.
Damn Americans! They ruined America!
Snark aside, you’re completely right. The country that’s going to suffer the most damage at America’s hands is America itself.
It’s not even snark, it’s a perfectly accurate statement!
Absolutely. Trump’s and the Project 2025’s “America First” strategy is essentially turning US imperialism inward on its own citizens now that the former global dominance is waning.
Also known as…
Unfortunately, it’s only Evil Kirk.
