• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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      We could stop doing it if there weren’t mother fuckers getting their definitions from the average American. The kind of person that elected Trump twice.

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    I think many people are racist, both liberals and conservatives. Liberals just manifest their racism differently. That’s the unfortunate truth.

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      I’ve seen that so many times. Worthless platitudes from people that exclusively hang out with other fairly well do to white liberals of certain political opinions, absolutely horrified to see me hanging out and partying with treaty natives, despite all their rhetoric about “acknowledging stolen land” and multiculturalism horseshit. It was so obvious they thought I’d get beat up or stabbed (although to be fair, that may have been likely if they tried hanging out, rez indians don’t much care for phonies). I saw no reason why moving my redneck ass to the city meant I could no longer be friendly with the local natives, had been around tribes my whole life.

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        I literally had a 7 page para going then realized I’m ranting. It’s deleted, here’s my new effort:

        I worked in a healing center where the primary staff was basically 30 fat white women who drove overpriced SUVs, and shoved the agency’s sociopolitical agenda directly overtop the heads of the people they’re alleging to help, while going hat in hand for TRC money. They got the appropriated Indigenous imagery everywhere, the ribbon skirts, the smudge. They use their professed love of Indigenous culture like a “I deserve a cookie” pin, and wield it like a bat. They drive people away. I know many indigenous men who simply cannot access healing because of these pigs. I don’t need a man who’s suffered SA at the hands of his mother as a child, being forced to talk about his deepest feelings about “The Land Acknowledgment” because a bloated cunt wants to self-aggrandize and show just how empathetic she is vs how much it might hurt him to hear that shit coming out of her mouth.

        You know who was at the Brady Landfill acting as a human shield for a week? In the muck and dirt with my indigenous friends? This bloated Ukrainian who’s grandparents were born in a snowbank in The Carpathias. Most active people in the Indigenous community working on reconciliation and healing were there. You know who wasn’t there, one person who worked at the healing center. They all had lots to say about it though, and what an important grassroots movement it was.

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      I can’t think of a single modern day liberal that would…but alright.

      I mean if you went out and interviewed a “liberal” I’d bet money that they would be against the prison Industrial complex and against rampant unregulated capitalism.

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        This is a simple misunderstanding caused by the difference between what the word actually means and what propaganda has made it

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          Regardless, your average liberal is quietly racist, if they are. The conservatives are more open about it, again, if they are. One behavior you’ll see in a conservative, but not a liberal, is saying the most racist bullshit and then hanging out with other races, vs the classic liberal never say a thing but not associate move.

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          I mean, am I misunderstanding the word and misapplying it? Or are all self-proclaimed modern liberals incorrect in thinking they are a liberal? What would be the better terminology? Progressives?

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            It’s a historically centre right ideology, e.g. the Aussie RWNJs call themselves liberals. Fox has successfully renamed the progressive left as liberals in America, as part of a larger effort to keep actual leftism out of the overton window.

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    It’s quite clear to me that almost no one in the US—or those “educated” by US politics on social media—has any fucking idea what a “liberal” fundamentally is and always has been. It’s going to become another one of those great terms ruined by a takeover of idiots—not that I’m directly calling your mom an idiot.

    But ffs, when the French gifted that statue, it wasn’t because they were pro-capitalism, burning books, fucking off women’s rights, and bringing the legal system into every facet of society.

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        Always? The “classical” in your article does not mean what you think it does. Just like post-modernism doesn’t mean “the future”. Capitalism didn’t even exist in the era it’s referencing, rightfully referring to laissez faire instead—something capitalism would eventually arise from.

        One of the strongest criticisms of capitalism by liberals is its failure to achieve a moral and equitable distribution of resources. The violation of social freedoms for sake of a market’s freedom. Markets obv play a vital role in driving economic growth but persistent issues such as corruption and institutional weaknesses prevent social justice.

        Even Adam Smith criticised laissez faire in the end because, surprise surprise, it was yet another great idea on paper that was incompatanle with human nature. The result is the freedom of some encroaching on the freedom of others; i.e. fundamentally anti liberal.

        A liberal will support freedom in a market but never support the exploitation or inequality of individual freedoms, such as the outcomes of pure capitalism. Someone that claims to be a liberal while their ideals strip people’s liberties is a fucking wolf in sheep’s clothing.

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            For real. Buying groceries is increasingly stressful. Folk tend to reach into personal space of others, leave their carts in intersections, and generally not give a damn about the person next to them.

            I take it very slow and skip the aisle I kind of wanted something from if I see a complication I’d rather not deal with.

            We never see ourselves as part of the problem. It isn’t easy, though.