Maybe I’m just face-blind or being dense but the photos from the scene of the crime look like a different dude than the ginning hostel check in guy. The jackets and backpacks are different. Although people can have multiple jackets and backpacks. We don’t see much of the shooters face but the eyebrows look different. Although, people can pluck/shave eyebrows. I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I thought I saw that these pictures were taken on different days and the guy on the right has been tagged as a “person of interest” and not officially a “suspect”
The police said he’s a person of interest. All the news reports are calling him the shooter. I saw a clip from Good Morning America and they didn’t even bother saying “alleged”. It seems crazy irresponsible.
That is actually insanely irresponsible journalism, if you can even call it that. INSANE. American news sources are just a wild west of “information”, isn’t it.
The assassin looks like he is wearing a black jacket and the other guy looks like he is wearing a cream colored dickies jean jacket with the grey hood like you get from walmart
Agreed. I would call the Dickies style barn jacket tan rather than cream though.
Steal his look at a reasonable price!
But wait! There’s more!
I guess the happy hostel guy would have come forward and been like “WTF?” and “I have an alibi” if it wasn’t him?
I sure as fuck wouldn’t. I know enough not to come anywhere near the police if they’re scrutinizing me for any reason, even if I know 100% I’m innocent and I can prove it. You absolutely cannot trust them not to just arrest you and railroad you into a bullshit conviction anyway, or plant some evidence, or decide “he had a knife” and just outright kill you. You know how they say “anything you say can be used against you?” That’s because they absolutely won’t use it to help you, even if you’re not guilty of anything.
I am positive city hall is breathing down the NYPD’s neck real hard right now. The entire department has got a lot of egg on its face for not being able to stop this guy, not being able to positively identify this guy, hell, not even know with any certainty where he went afterwards. They are under immense pressure to hang somebody – anybody – over this because they’re looking even more like chumps than usual.
So no, a wise man would not expose himself to the cops in any way whatsoever.
Storm troopers murder these kinds of people rather than expose the injustice system.
Fair point. I suspect that the NYPD doesn’t really want to bring him in alive.
A dead suspect checks the boxes. Can’t dispute facts with evidence. Allows the media to say they got him. Gives them an easy victory.
The CEOs get a false sense of security and are lured out of hiding. Then the real killer guns down another one. Rinse and repeat.
C’mon man! You should have ended with “Another one bites the dust”.
Then we could all have it playing in our head!
This is sound advice. There are too many bad actors among cops to trust them to be impartial or fair.
And if the cops do ask and want to pursue questioning you … you don’t talk to the cops in this situation and just ask for a lawyer … they ask what your name is - lawyer … what is your date of birth - lawyer … where are you from? lawyer … lawyer, lawyer, lawyer
Never talk to the cops, especially when the cops are desperately looking for suspect.
Don’t ask. Tell them to get you your lawyer.
What if you don’t have a lawyer? I know the state can set one up for you, but I also know those lawyers are overworked. They take on something like 12,000 cases per year, and get on average 4 minutes to prepare your case.
Could I just call my mom and be like “FIND A LAWYER RIGHT NOW PLEASE!”?
It’s the state’s responsibility/problem to bring you a lawyer if you can’t afford one before the police question you. If the cops are so sure you committed a crime then they’ll charge you and get a public defender assigned so they can interrogate you with a lawyer present. If they don’t have enough evidence they’ll try to bully you into talking without a lawyer present and trick you into confessing. This is one of 403 reasons why it’s important to ask for a lawyer then shut the fuck up until your lawyer arrives.
You can use your phone call for whomever, just know it’s not private and you best hope whomever you call will actually help you.
The distinction I was making is that the response to “can you get me a lawyer?” could just be the cops walking out of the room and coming back several hours later and seeing if you’ve changed your mind. The same thing for “I’ll wait till my lawyer is here.”
Isn’t your “phone call” a Hollywood trope? It’s not like you get to gamble on the highest stakes call of your life (oops, line’s busy or you misdialed or whatever), but you only get one chance like it’s some legal gotcha the cops can pull on a suspect.
At least in Florida, according to this, you are entitled to complete at least one phone call.
I’ve been in enough jails to say with some certainty: it depends. Like unmagical posted, some places you will absolutely get a phone call at some point. In others, it’s pretty much an ‘executive privilege.’
The truth lies in the squishy, wet world of humanity, not the written word of the law. In one jail I know of, they’d give you three chances to make a free phone call (the other party has to accept, because they can’t let an abuser call the abusee without some warning of who it is), and if they weren’t busy, you would be able to keep trying for a couple of hours. Another place, you might get the phone call, but it could be 18+ hours after you were brought in and you had already seen the judge, been given a personal recognizance bond, and would be delaying your exit from said jail if you made the call. Jailers sometimes like to put the thumb screws to you in any way they can.
Most of the time, inmates will have access to a phone 24/7. Even in solitary, a phone was available. It looked like a pay phone strapped to a dolly that got wheeled right up to the door of the cell and the phone would stick through the little food slot you could look out of. Those phones require money on their account, and it works in a similar manner to the old collect calls. Those phone calls can be as expensive as a dollar a minute. A law was passed in the US around the end of Obama’s term or the beginning of Trump’s that was supposed to set a limit on how much those calls could cost, but I don’t remember what came of it.
I don’t know what you were doing to end up in enough jails to know that, but I suspect that if there’s additional knowledge here, it’s that we should probably not do whatever that was
Never talk to the police, there are many reasons why
Massad Ayoub is the man when it comes to firearms and law. I know of no one more expert.
You are correct. I’ve been watching a lot of true crime on YouTube lately and regardless whether someone is guilty or innocent, it seems it is ALWAYS in your best interest to get lawyered up and keep quiet if the cops are interrogating you.
I have mixed feelings about the guilty assholes, because it’s frustrating seeing someone give up their rights and be so open about their crimes but on the other hand, I’m glad they’re so dumb so they can be removed from society and punished.
But it is nothing but frustration seeing innocent people go through that out of genuine sincerity. “I have nothing to hide, so I’ll be open with the cops.” Fucking do not. No matter how low the statistic actually is, there is too much at stake to risk encountering someone who twists your words and uses it against you to frame you so they can close a case.
Lawyer up and shut up. Don’t talk to cops as much as you can help it. Especially don’t volunteer to have your name cleared.
Wow. Dood. Your reality sounds stressful.
Its like an episode of Law and Order but in real life!
Is it “shut the fuck up” Friday?
It is ALWAYS “shut the fuck up” Friday.
Was about to send that first link. Glad someone beat me to it.
The cops need to present a suspect so they can say they did their job. Whether it’s the right suspect is another matter.
They only care that the forms are filed. They don’t care if they are filed with correct information.
We did it,
redditNYPD!Yep, if something like this can happen, it might not be the best idea to go to the police:
Man pressured to confess he killed his dad. His dad was alive and well [3:40]
Fuck I had to stop watching after the bit with his dog. That’s heartbreaking
Everything went as expected. The officers were promoted.
Guess who’s going to pay that 900,000. YOU.
Especially just murdering you. Lot harder to get a corpse to testify that they didn’t do it. Makes it a LOT easier to say “well, they did it, but they’re dead now, case closed.”
Just imagine this is green text.
Nab the wrong guy
Shoot him in the back 53 times while screaming “stop resisting!”
Investigate ourselves, find no wrongdoing
“Case closed, boys!”
…
Police chief gets got by The Adjuster the next day…
I bet they stop releasing info because of the public reaction. At this poiny, they want us to forget and not have copycats. They’re scared.
Making a murderer is all you have to see to know this is the truth. I feel so bad for that family.
Yes! A real eye opener for me!
These are all different people, and two of the images look fake.
The two on the right are the same guy, just look at the waffle looking thing on the right, it’s the same jacket, mask, etc. the left and the right are definitely not the same jacket or backpack. The left jacket doesn’t look like it has breast pockets at all.
it’s honestly laughable, im race blind but also they are obviously of entirely different ethnic origin IMHO
What is race blind?
honestly no clue i don’t even know what race is
It’s when Vin Diesel and Paul Walker pull up to a red light next to each other, and no one see’s what happens next
Then what do you see if you watch Nascar? Or the Daytona 500? Do you think you’re just watching them broadcasting the craziest traffic report ever???
It’s just an empty track for hours. So pretty much as boring as it already is.
Backpack & jacket type AND color are all different. The other dude even has his hood from a hoodie beneath the jacket while the first one has his hood from his jacket. Facially also completely different. I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.
I guess the NYPD has reached Reddit doxxing levels now.
Maybe they have always been at Reddit doxxing levels?
The killer seems pretty competent, having multiple jackets and backpacks and switching things up to make it harder to track him doesn’t seem unreasonable.
And what proof do you have of the killer doing that? The only reason they posted the other dude is because he has a vaguely similar outfit style (backpack + hood, which is incredibly common among younger people, especially during this type of weather). If I were the killer I’d not switch into similar clothes, but something completely different.
?? I was talking purely in hypotheticals. Ain’t claiming anything, mate
Then be clear in what you’re saying, or better, don’t say anything, because no one asked about hypotheticals.
No, dumbass. They’re obviously getting confused and mixing people up…
Nice reading comprehension. I never said they the same person. Why so aggressive?
Hanlon’s razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
That said, we’re talking cops here, who are notorious both for being malicious (ACAB) and stereotypically incompetent, often at the same time, so the usual odds (which massively favour incompetence, hence the adage) might not apply.
Also, a lot of people feel sympathy for this particular murderer (and / or enough well justified, earned, and deserved antipathy towards the victim that it overcomes what antipathy towards murderers they might normally have), so they might be aggressive towards anyone who appears to favour him getting caught.
I mean, surely you’d bring clothes that look a bit different, though…? As far as I’m able to tell, the only notable similarity between the two is that the clothes look superficially similar…
Having two dudes wearing similar stuff also doesn’t sound unreasonable. It’s really inconclusive and could do a shit ton of harm to an innocent person if the police got this wrong.
Totally agree, just saying that clothes are easy to change if you’re a motivated and competent killer. I trust the police about as far as they can shoot my dog from.
Someone needs to paint some eyes in the pocket flaps and post it as a meme on the police website to just rub it in how fucking off they are on something so obvious.
I thought the same thing. They have more video footage and we are seeing only 2 stills from it, but the coats are definitely different. But the hostel footage was from when he was checking in days earlier than the day of the shooting.
I wouldn’t be surprised if a significant portion of the NYPD cares just as little about finding this guy as the rest of us care about them finding him.
“Yes yes, we take it very seriously. Look, he was wearing a hoodie!”
I mean… The police has to know that elites hate them as much as they hate regular peasants
The elites don’t hate cops. They are the employers of the cops.
they also employ the pedons but here we are…
The bottom line is that the elites don’t “hate” their armed enforcers… they hire them as disposable.
Cops think they are heroes for being the armed thugs for the elites.
It’s like asking if a mob boss hates their hitmen or their other goons. No, they don’t, but they know they are disposable and loyal.
So they fuck up the right case for once?
Not only do I agree, but also it has been my feeling that the Starbucks footage and visit was a performance of some kind, and the water and phone they found were a distraction. Dude seems to have otherwise thought this through pretty well.
I admit that’s nothing more than a hunch though, and I can’t really defend it against anyone who disagrees.
Maybe he gotvfriends as a distraction?
note to self; flash mob if I’m going to commit a crime in public.
yeah just Altair yourself in a group of hoodie wearers
I keep seeing the backpack as not matching, I don’t get how these are considered the same person, unless is going to be the next blue-black white-gold thing.
Yeah, the jacket is very different as well if you look at the front chest area. While people do say maybe he just changed his clothes, the problem is if he also changed his backpack, he couldn’t have just put the clothes in the backpack, meaning he would’ve had to have left them somewhere and there would’ve been a trail that probably would’ve been found by now. It doesn’t really add up for them to be the same person.
Definately 7’ 8" female. Asian descent. Bald. Possible Alopecia. Dwarfism.
with a strong German accent
He does actually look European to me, who knows though
Some innocent Bavarian farm woman is currently being arrested thanks to you two. As if she didn’t have it hard enough.
8 foot dwarves
TIL we’re Amazonians
I remember she had a hook wearing a captains hat with a parrot in his shoulder.
i used to lived next to an organized crime person.
they would fuck with me constantly because i have a problem of keeping my mouth shut because i do.
and before he would use his underlings to fuck with my life he would come over and tell me that he was leaving the country for a bit.
then some horrible shit would happen to me. and then a few days later he would return smiling and smirking asking how i was doing.
the following is my opinion: trump hired that killer (probably someone with a beef against insurance) through someone underling with the promise of a big payoff, left the country to France, and the killer was supposed to be paid off after the kill but was left with monopoly money because trump never pays his debts.
now trump will use the killing to push a hardcore agenda of police and constant surveillance to make sure it won’t happen again.
and the rich will pay him to make sure that it doesn’t.
but it will happen again. and trump will leave the country right before it does.
You are crazy if you believe trump could come up with that scheme
what’s his end goal with implementing a hard-core surveillance state though?
and while we’re at it, why make it more transparent to the public when what they already do works great for them?
your conspiracy doesn’t add up and leaves more questions than answers.
honesty, your comment reminds me of my father years ago. he lost his mind listening to all the right wing propaganda years before “maga” was a thing. he died before Trump took office the first time. I imagine he would have been crazy enough to take drastic measures.
get help, seriously. no disrespect, no hurt feelings. your logic is flawed and you may be going through a difficult time.
please seek help.
now trump will use the killing to push a hardcore agenda of police and constant surveillance to make sure it won’t happen again
see, I think if Trump did it he’s gonna go a different route
he’s gonna harness the populist support for this killer and he’s gonna go “we need universal healthcare because Americans are suffering”
and he will be seen as a hero and cement his dictatorship
You obviously need actual professional help, please look into it.
You need professional help before your delusions drive you completely over the edge. Seriously.
That’s possible. It’s a crazy world. There was a school shooting in California because a man was convinced he worked for a secret government agency responsible for executing children.
They will find someone that roughly fits the description and he won’t make it to jail alive… Case closed nothing to see here… Or something entirely different may happen…
Or something entirely different may happen…
We got fuckin’ Nostradamus over here 😂
Or perhaps we have a person who is sick and tired of having accounts blocked and I hedge my language with some lawyer talk…
No way man, it’s fuckin’ Nostradamus!
It’s not even the same jacket, obviously. You can spend 10 seconds and find 10 other differences.
