• LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Why are you disappointed? What is the disappointment here? That you don’t want to sleep with random women who get those piercings? You were never entitled to do so in the first place, so I’m not sure how that could be a disappointment to you.

    Save the next commenter some time, the word dissapponted implies that someone or something failed to meet an expectation the speaker has for it. In this case the someone or something is women who choose to get nipple piercings. So the implication is that the commenter has an expectation for women that is failing to be met when they get nipple piercings.

    I don’t give a fuck who he does or does not want to sleep with, or what reasons he may have for doing so. I’m calling out the way he framed his opinion in that sentence, because again, it implies he has an expectation for women that is not being met if they get nipple piercings.

    Don’t bother responding to me unless you’re going to tell me why it’s alright to have such an expectation for random women about their bodies.

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      Bro is expressing distaste in a fashion accessory, why you so bitter and taking it so hard? You ok?

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        He can say he doesn’t like them. That’s not what he said. He said he’s disappointed that so many women are getting them. I asked him why he’s disappointed that random women are choosing to get a piercing he dislikes? What do those random women have to do with him exactly?

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          No you went on a rant about if op is “entitled” to those women. That’s just a fucking weird take from someone talking about disappointment in a fashion choice that people choose. Don’t reframe your weird comment.

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            Again, what is he disappointed in? Do you not know how fucking language works? Are you unfamiliar with the use of the word “dissappointed”? For example, you might say: Your mom is disappointed when you ask her to send you another 300.00 for the 5th time this month, because in her mind “she raised you to be better than that”. She’s pissed because you asked her. But she’s disappointed because your actions do not meet her expectations for you.

            So I’ll ask again, what is he disappointed in? Why is he disappointed with the choices of random women who have nothing to do with him?

            Edit: clarified I wasn’t trying to make a statement on the personal life of the commenter who i don’t know. Just a snarky example.

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              Okay setting aside your clearly toxic and unkind attitude that is betraying what this is really about, some personal issue that is making you seeth, why is the word “disappointment” triggering YOU so hard?

              I would be disappointed if my date comes home with me and takes off their shirt and they have a tattoo of Sonic the Hedgehog on their chest. Because I don’t want to look at Sonic when we’re together, does that make a lick of fucking sense? Do you understand that people have consensual relationships and preferences for their partners?

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                Yeah I’m toxic, you’re the one who flipped out at me for asking the commenter a question 😂 I’ll admit it was aggro but I don’t know you and was not trying to make a statement about your personal life that I have no knowledge of. I was showing the way that word functions and how it differs from other direct feelings in response to something. Disappointment is a specific emotion with a specific meaning.

                He didn’t say that if someone he dated had nipple piercings he’d be dissappointed, he said he was “disappointed so many girls” are choosing to get them. Don’t try and reframe what he said. You don’t have to come up with elaborate allegories we can talk about what he said right there.

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                  I quizzed you why you thought a normal, common expression of aesthetic taste became a sexual entitlement issue to you immediately, it was weird, it remains weird, you are weird, every comment makes you seem weirder about it, and I don’t think this is a healthy place for you to be engaging and tripling down on. I’m blocking you for your good as much as mine.

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                    Lol yeah okay have fun dude you’re still mischaracterizing what I said. I never said anything about him having preferences. 🙄

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      Are you asserting that nobody should ever have any preferences? Do you meet your own standard?

      OP didn’t say he’s throwing women out of bed for having piercings. He expressed a preference for them not to.

      I prefer dark hair. Sometimes it’s red or blonde or blue.

      I prefer pubic hair. Sometimes it’s there, sometimes it’s not.

      I prefer a few extra pounds. Sometimes those pounds aren’t there. Sometimes a few extra is more like a lot extra.

      In no example above did I shut down the interaction, nor did I experience any less pleasure.

      But I still have preferences. That’s all they are though.

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        I never said he did. I asked him why he specifically said he’s disappointed that so many women are choosing to get those piercings. Re-read my comment. What does random women he has nothing to do with having piercings have to do with him? Why would that elicit disappointment? What is he disappointed in?

        I never said there’s anything wrong with having preferences for who you sleep with lol you might want to re-read my comment

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          If you had a preference for dark hair and many dark haired women were going blonde you might be disappointed in a general decrease in women who met your ideal aesthetic. If you aren’t shallow or are shallow but aren’t a beautiful rich Adonis you probably aren’t turning down any dates based on such criteria but mathematically trends which run contra to preference mean a decrease in average fitness according to your own accounting.

          Imagine if a huge portion of men were really into boy bands and mullets. The trend would mean that if you selected men based on other more meaningful criteria like financial stability and emotional maturity that you have an increasing chance of a mullet in your future. As critical mullet mass approaches you may feel disappointed at the popularity of the trend.

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            That would be true, but for one, the percentage of women with nipple piercings is statistically insignificant. For two, you don’t actually have any measurable way of telling with certainty how popular those piercings are. So it’s not really as comparable to hair color, which you can ascertain at a glance. And even then, I would expect some kind of clarification that this has been obtrusive or obstructive to the speaker. “I’ve been disappointed so many times to find out that my date had their nipples pierced” or something to that effect. Just saying “some women are doing this aesthetic thing to their bodies, and it disappoints me” is not really saying the same thing.

            There may be a fundamental disagreement here over whether or not it is valid to feel a sense of ownership over other people’s appearances. “Oh no, that guy would’ve been so cute if he hadn’t grown out a mullet I wish he hadn’t” would be a strange thing to think, let alone verbalize, about a stranger. It implies that by virtue of that man changing some aspect of appearance the speaker has lost something tangible. It might give the speaker pause in that situation to realize that their language kinda makes it seem like they’re entitled to “mullet-less” men. We also have to consider the emphasis that puts on men who do have mullets. The speaker in this case is collectively denigrating all of them for failing to meet their expectation of non-mullet hairstyles, despite those men not knowing the speaker and having nothing to do with them.

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          What does random women he has nothing to do with having piercings have to do with him?

          Are you not a native English speaker? Do you understand that people can give opinions and critique of things they don’t like without it meaning an expectation that someone is going to DO something for them? You immediately made some random, innocuous comment about someone’s aesthetic tastes into an issue about entitlement and I assume implications about sex? Don’t you get how fucking weird that is? It betrays something on YOUR mind specifically that nobody here is talking about.

          Do you think people shouldn’t have fashion preferences? Do you think humans can’t or should not have feelings about things? Every comment you make here just makes it weirder.

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            disappointed dɪsəˈpɔɪntɪd

            adjective

            1. sad or displeased because someone or something has failed to fulfil one’s hopes or expectations.
            2. (of hopes or expectations) prevented from being realized.

            Here saved you a Google search lmao 😂

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              What is your point? Did a billboard with the word “disappointment” fall on your great uncle and kill him?

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                No I’m saying that using that term implies an expectation for those women that they are failing to meet. I am asking why he has an expectation for random women to not get those piercings. Re-read my comment omg 🙄

                You also accused me of not knowing how to speak English while seemingly not understanding what the word dissappointed means.

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                  I’ve re-read your comment dozens of times trying to understand why this concept is lost on you, that it’s FINE to be disappointed with someone’s fashion choices, be it someone you know personally, or a generalized view of trends. It’s OKAY. It doesn’t MEAN anything other than, some people like things and other people do not. I too feel a sense of disappointment when people with otherwise pretty features accessorize it in ways that distract or detract from my preference. AND THAT’S ALSO OKAY.

                  You know what else? You’re ALSO allowed to be disappointed with how some people dress, talk, act or just about ANYTHING else that you like or don’t like. This is called being an adult human with values, taste and self-esteem.

                  Whatever cartoonish picture jumped into your head of some “alpha male” casting judgement on women he wants to sleep with, which I think you’re picturing here, that shit is coming from a place of insecurity or pain inside YOU, this is not an objectifying or entitled attitude to express or hold. Disappointment with someone’s choices is a normal and healthy thing that men and women feel and express all the time and sure it can become toxic in extreme circumstances, it’s nowhere NEAR that to just express not liking a thing.

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                    He didn’t say someone in particular. He said he was “disappointed so many girls” are getting those piercings. That doesn’t imply specific women, it implies women in general.

                    It’s fine for him not to like them, I’m calling out his use of language and how it implies that all women are beholden to some expectation he has for them.

                    The rest of your comment is genuinely bizarre and I have no idea what you’re even talking about. Read through the comment tree again. I never said anything about who the commenter was. Just calling out something he said and the implication inherent in it.

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            He used the word dissappontment holy shit do you not know what the word means??

            He used that word I’m no fucking misinterpreting him lmao

            I never said people shouldn’t have opinions on fashion choices omfg I was literally calling out his framing of that opinion 😂 yall are tripping omg haha