I’m just curious how much more shitty they can make it. I laugh every time they announce some new “feature”. Makes me appreciate Linux Mint more and more each time.
I still can’t believe that so many PCs are getting cut off from software updates. Its going to be a huge security issue. There will suddenly be millions of unsecured computers being actively used. I can imagine that this will be allowed to happen.
I think Microsoft is doing this because they want to make the ultimate spy network with copilot or what ever they are calling it now. I really need to figure out how to get a single work app to work on Linux reliably. I use it for like 99% of my work, so a virtual machine is kind of useless. I honestly think I will need to wait for a native version of the app to be developed and who knows if that will happen.
MS: I want to make Windows 11 require motherboard features that make ransomware attacks more difficult so I can say it’s more secure, even though it’s merely a feature of the motherboard.
Also MS: Sadly, if your tech doesn’t have these features you cannot upgrade and it will be insecure because I will not make updates for it.
Are you talking about TPM 2? Because I don’t think that makes classic ransomware more difficult. Also it doesn’t have to be strictly a motherboard feature, e.g mine comes without a fixed TPM module, but my processor supports fTPM, which has up- and downsides. But it works as a TPM.
Also MS: Sadly, if your tech doesn’t have these features you cannot upgrade and it will be insecure because I will not make updates for it.
Technically, this isn’t true, MS will continue to update Windows 10 and even individual users can receive these officially through the Windows 10 ESU program: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates
Not that I’m in favor of what they’re doing, I think they should rather support older hardware with Win 11 and require modern features only on modern systems. But from a security standpoint, their decision is actually good, as it builds a secure foundation. Most private users will just do whatever on that foundation (e.g. run random stuff from the Internet), but I think going forward, this is the right choice, though probably for the wrong reason of doing Intel a favor.
SecureBoot.
I really need to figure out how to get a single work app to work on Linux reliably
what work app?
I use it for like 99% of my work, so a virtual machine is kind of useless
i mean, it depends on your computer (like if your cpu & motherboard supports virtualization) but you can in theory get a VM with pretty decent performance
on my m1 macbook i have a windows VM that runs very smoothly and i can effortlessly use a gesture on the touchpad to switch between them. it’s pretty cool
on linux it’s a little harder to set up (i had to pay like $100 for the software on the mac) but it’s doable
Micro$oft doesn’t understand that these full-screen new Win11 PCs are actually Linux ads!
I have started switching my parents. Last year before all this really started getting crazy and I bought my mother a used HP elitebook laptop and set her up with Linux on it. Just to get her to test it out and use it. And replace her older laptops. There’s very little she does that actually depends on windows. Everything tends to be in the browser. There was only one odd application that’s odd even under windows. But it has an Android version that I got running with waydroid.
In the last month and I got my father a new used office PC that was about 10 Generations newer than what he had processor-wise. And set it up with Linux out of the box. He’s been enjoying using it it’s so much faster snappier and less spammy. And here this month when I have time. Getting my mother’s desktop PC converted over to dual boot at least with Linux as primary. I’ve had far fewer tech support issues since I’ve done it too.
Between system 76, framework, tuxedo, and a few other sellers. There are actually a few options now offering Linux out of the box. Next time I buy a PC it will likely be from one of them depending upon what I’m looking for. And if anyone asked me for recommendations they will be the only ones I will recommend. Apart from ordering used office machines and repurposing them LOL. Unless you want to do current gym Triple A games at 4K etc. You can get six generation i7 systems for around $100 and use graphic cards for 50 to 100. And play most games and have a great time. It’s actually kind of hilarious I have a couple of Verizon systems from the last 4 to 5 years. The system I spend more time on is a 6th generation i7 Lenovo business Tower. Largely because it’s running Linux and the others are running Windows.
This whole Win 11 mess is what finally convinced me to switch. I still can’t get over that Settings hasn’t reached feature parity with Control Panel yet. Figured if I have to re-learn how to do settings for the 10th time, I might as well do it in an OS that isn’t shoving ads in my face.
I was simply trying to format a disk and so searched in the start bar expecting a suitable control panel item to pop up any would have happened in any sane era of windows. Instead fucking bing opened and it brought me back web results for “format disk” as well as unrelated ads. fucking web results!
gargh
Try Fedora! I find it it just works out of the box and the little I don’t know I can Google, tho im Linux newby myself
I think for people who like Out-Of-The-Box, Fedora is ideal. It’s the only OS I didn’t have to troubleshoot the Bluetooth immediately.
I put it on my grandmothers computer and she hasn’t had any major complaints in 2 years 🤞
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Hey I remember you from that other post where you also spammed LINUX. :p
Bro you literally spammed Linux on my other older posts. Stop it
You’ll figure it out.
Cool. Since you believe they’ll figure it out, I guess that means you don’t have to spam.
Btw.
Holy crap it’s a full-page ad!
I’m praising Valve right now for all the work they’ve put into Proton.
95% of my games work on Linux. Quite a few windows specific programs too. Praise proton and the wine team!
Examples of Windows programs that work via proton?
One very specific 3d printer program, greetings workshop (my mom had the program back in the day and she likes getting cards from it), Starcraft1 and Starcraft2 (works pretty well!), some contract specific programs. Theres a couple of others I have hooked up, but you get the idea.
If it doesn’t work the first time, I usually go on https://appdb.winehq.org/ or the proton specific one and take a look.
Okay yeah I knew about protondb but haven’t got wine figured out or heard of that winehq.
Thanks!
Yes, because of Proton, I’m seriously considering dumping Microsoft now. My big holdup was my library of Steam games. I just found out about Proton a couple of weeks ago, and as it turns out, most of my games are pretty compatible.
Do it! I just made the switch (using PopOS as my distro, AMD CPU, 1080ti GPU) and haven’t had much trouble with my extensive Steam collection. The biggest issue so far was Bioshock Infinite which actually runs native and I had to edit some configs for texture pools. SteamVR / Index has been a little unstable but seems to generally work (I don’t use it enough to be sure if it’s Linux or my hardware getting old).
SteamDB has been a excellent resource for checking compatibility and game specific tweaks.
Civ6 also has issues with the Linux version due to Aspyr slacking. A bunch of the newer content hasn’t been ported yet. Fortunately, you can force Steam to install the Windows version and run it with Proton.
If most of your games are on Steam, it makes the transition super smooth (with only a few exceptions I’ve had so far, and none that I’ve been unable to get working with a bit of tinkering)
I made the switch and never looked back.
Only thing it cost me was recently Apex Legends but I can deal.
My game library was what was holding me back too. Now I just have to see if animationdesk runs on linux and I’ll be all set make the switch.
If it doesn’t I don’t know what I’ll do. I haven’t found any other animation programs built primarily around onion skinning. I don’t need AI to create the tweens for me. I just want a bare bones program that let’s me do everything by hand.
I’ll have to check when I get out of work today and if it’s all good I’ll probably start researching installation processes this weekend. I don’t know much about Linux, but I guess I’m about to learn
You could run a windows vm on linux :)
I am concerned that most users won’t understand that either
They won’t. The vast majority of consumers aren’t even aware Linux exists.
I use Linux at home but my work computer uses windows. Work just bought me a new laptop with windows 11 pre-installed and I got ads to upgrade to a new “AI capable computer” on the login screen. This computer is maybe 3 months old and there are already ads telling me I need to get a new one.
🫢you don’t use windows enterprise at work?
You would be suprised how many companies don’t use enterprise version of windows andbjust use regular home ( pro even rarer ).
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I run an IT team, and if anyone ever suggested buying Windows Home for business use, they’d have a bad day.
We’re a small nonprofit, so we usually just go with whatever is cheap and works most of the time. We don’t have many issues with it, so I don’t think its on the list of things to fix.
Don’t underestimate cybersecurity, even as small nonprofit…
Seconded. Data breaches at big companies may be what makes the news, but small businesses (and other organizations) are compromised far more often.
Windows 10 LTSC currently has an EoL date of 2027-01-12.
No store, no cortana, much less bullshit in general.
LTSC is the only current windows version I even remotely consider having.And if you use IoT LTSC, its even more lean
Paying Microsoft more money so they can give you less Windows is a very Microsoft thing to do.
I’d bet this is pirateable tho
Suit yourself, I don’t trust Windows already so, adding a third-party to that process doesn’t intrigue me in the slightest.
Yeah, I’m with you there. Don’t pirate an OS. That is just asking for shit to go wrong.
Always, always, always get OS images from the first party or first-party identified mirror.
I stopped paying Microsoft a long time ago.
Windows 10 LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel) is a specialized version of Windows 10 that’s all about reliability and stability. It’s tailored for specific use cases like medical devices, ATMs, industrial systems, and other environments where updates could mess with critical operations.
Key Points About Windows 10 LTSC: Minimal Updates: LTSC skips the frequent feature updates you see with regular Windows 10 and sticks to just security updates and critical fixes. Each version gets 10 years of support—5 years mainstream and 5 years extended. Stripped-Down Version: This version ditches all the extra stuff like Cortana, the Microsoft Store, Edge, and bundled games, making it lightweight and focused. Stability Above All: It’s designed to be rock-solid and isn’t about chasing the latest features. Release Schedule: New LTSC versions come out every 2-3 years, tied to specific Windows 10 feature updates (like Windows 10 LTSC 2021). Who It’s For: It’s for specialized devices and setups where you can’t afford sudden changes. It’s not something you’d typically use on your daily home or work PC. How You Get It: LTSC is available through volume licensing and is really meant for businesses and enterprises. Misconceptions: It’s not for regular use, like avoiding updates or keeping things ultra-simple on a personal PC. It doesn’t support a lot of modern hardware and features, so unless you have a very specific need, you’re better off sticking with the regular versions of Windows 10.
If you’re thinking about LTSC, make sure it actually fits what you’re trying to do—its limitations could end up being a headache if you’re not using it in the right way.
Funny, when I think of Windows, reliability and stability are the last things on my mind. I mean, if they could build a reliable release then why isn’t that shipped with all computers? You know, like with linux, the stable version is also the current release. Basically your description makes it sound like what’s really making Windows so unreliable is all the crapware that Microsoft forces down your throat.
Yes, exactly, because it’s all that crapware and bloatware that makes you inadvertently sign up for wholly unnecessary subscriptions to crap Services that nobody needs or wants. Plus all the advertisements. Lennox would seem to be a far better solution for a point of sale system or inventory management system or something like that
Sounds like a great sales pitch… “PoS machines, but unlike Windows-based devices ours continue to work after the first six months!”
Wait…Wait a minute… What about…MCDONALD’S ICE CREAM MACHINES!!!
If they switched to linux the ice cream would be colder and even smoother.
I say this in a lot of threads lately but, here I go again:
I’m so glad I swapped to linux
Which distro?
Yes
Proud Linux Mint debutant here!
It’s been a year or so, and it’s so peaceful!
I have a windoze junkbox for photoshop, 3ds and some light gaming, and it’s so painful to operate, everything is just so slow when it comes to the OS. Launch a soft, right click, open the explorer…
Same experience here. I do embedded software development and usually have an entire monitor dedicated to command line stuff, and over the past year I’ve had zero urge to “upgrade” to a more hardcore distro.
I installed Linux Mint Cinnamon directly after several months of using different distros in a VM on windows. Feels good man.
Ubuntu, I wanted to go Debian but the installation wanted an ethternert connection to get that accomplished and I didn’t know that/think that far ahead
You chose netinstall iso?
Arch (well right now more precisely cachyos)
I’ve been using Linux on my homeserver (debian) and on previous laptops (arch) for almost a decade, but I only swapped my main desktop over this spring when nVidia sorted out waylaid explicit sync
That doesn’t really matter too much and is mostly personal preference.
The biggest difference is which package manager and how up to date each program in there is. Arch and OpenSuse Tumbleweed will have quite up to date packages as they’re rolling release models while Mint and Ubuntu tend to be a bit slower and more stable.
I suggest going through the installation process of Arch linux at least once because it does teach you the basics of Linux but for usability you’d be better off with a distro that has a GUI installer.
NO
I hate how microsoft seems to think they own the term PC now and it can mean anything they want. Some of the “Copilot+ PCs” they’re advertising on things like this have ARM CPUs which means they aren’t PCs. I would even argue that a lot of x86 computers aren’t PCs now because they only support UEFI booting so aren’t PC compatible. They need to just call them computers or come up with a new term
Doesn’t PC just mean personal computer though?
Yes, but ironically the PC was a reaction to the more authoritarian IBM server/terminal model. The PC was really about owning and being able to hack your own shit. It seems like cloud+device lockdown is just reinventing servers and terminals…
I mean, they’re not called International Personal Machines, are they? The server-terminal system worked well for a large organisation, and it’s not far away from how many companies still do things.
have ARM CPUs which means they aren’t PCs
Why on earth would architecture have anything to do with it?
only support UEFI booting so aren’t PC compatible.
Oh wow, I don’t think anyone using the term “PC” this century was referring to “IBM PC-Compatible” like it’s 1981. The only vestages of that is that the term excludes Mac even today.
They may not have realized it, but until UEFI-only computers started becoming common, people mostly were still effectively drawing the line at IBM compatibility
What’s the fundamental difference between an Intel Macbook and my old 2018 Lenovo laptop? Either of them can run modern Windows, Linux, whatever. For most modern uses, they’re basically equivalent. The one thing that makes the Lenovo different though is its firmware. The Lenovo has BIOS support and the Mac doesn’t.
If you then add my current Framework laptop, which is UEFI-only, to the comparison though, it gets kind of fuzzy. It’s clearly not a Mac, but what is there to really define it as a PC? It can’t run MacOS, but that doesn’t really work to separate it because plenty of PCs can run MacOS. It’s not made by Apple, but if that’s all it takes then is a Chromebook or one of the Talos POWER workstations a PC too? It’s kind of hard to say the Framework is a PC without including so many other things that the term PC kind of loses all meaning.
I think the term PC has just outlived its usefulness and we need to move on to saying more specific things than that to describe computers. In most modern contexts, all that matters is what architecture a computer is and what operating systems will run on it, and PC just isn’t really a great term to convey that information anymore.
PC = a computer that you use to do computer stuff on. Windows PC, Linux PC, MacBook or a Chromebook, it’s all PC.
Yup, I go out of my way to call any personal computer a PC. For example:
- Macbook Pro PC running macOS for work
- Thinkpad PC running Linux at home
- desktop PC running Linux for gaming
- desktop PC running Linux as a NAS
- handheld PC running GrapheneOS for a phone
- handheld PC running SteamOS for gaming
- wearable PC running WearOS as a watch
They’re all PCs, because I can run whatever I want on them. My Switch isn’t a PC because I can’t run whatever I want, but everything else in that list absolutely is. Yeah, I get weird looks sometimes, but I’m stubborn.
Has anybody found a way to turn Microsoft’s ads off yet? I’m tired of dismissing their prompts to switch to Edge and Office 365 every few months.
As an experiment I revoked the certificate that is used for code verification on the executable responsible for the popups. So far the only thing I broke was the .net installer. But no more pop-ups. :D
Yes, but you won’t like to hear it…
I installed Linux one time and now im a cat girl
Go on….
Don’t listen to them, I installed Linux multiple times and I‘m still a fat nerd
Who said a cat girl cant be a fat nerd
…go on…
sigh
gets his Ventoy USB drive ready for a new ISO…
I run a local account and toggled off all the telemetry stuff during installation nine years ago. Never saw one of those. Didn’t even get toggled on with updates. Only problem I had was Copilot getting added a few weeks ago. By that time, Win10 had become the compatibility fallback for Linux, though.
So, create a local account, go into Settings, and toggle off everything that could maybe be telemetry related.
O&O Shutup for Windows is also a solid tool for disabling telemetry and bloat. They have a recommended set of options to flip, all of which can be flipped at once, which is real damn convenient.
I recently installed Linux because windows pissed me off and I laughed out loud at this…
Microsoft sucks, but surely they have to know that already
And it’s worked on my brother in law who’s announced he’s buying new PCs for the whole family specifically to upgrade to 11. jFC.
Are you excited for him to finally get everything setup and then he sees the ad again?
Don’t know whether to be smug or condescending. Guess I’ll be both.
He should donate the old ones to Linux enthusiasts
I will encourage him to do just that. Looks like we’ll have some PCs coming our way.
I love how they advertise it as they’re doing you such a great big favor by allowing easy access to transferring files to the new system
Talk about creating a problem that way they can sell you the solution, they completely treat it as if they weren’t the original cause of having everyone have to buy new systems for the next windows in the first place.
I don’t need a new motherboard. TPM got accidentally turned off and I keep forgetting to turn it back on. Darn.
oh no
Those aren’t prompts. Those are ads. Call a spade a spade. “Microsoft tries to convince Windows 10 users to buy a new PC with full-screen ads”
I’m just a “normal person” lol but I have a 8 year old MacBook Air running I can’t remember what version. I’ve never been forced to upgrade. Does everything I need it to. I told Microsoft to fuck themselves in 1998. Now at work, I’ve been stuck with PC’s but that’s on the company’s dime, never mine.
If your Air hadn’t reached it yet, eventually it’ll reach EOS and you’ll stop receiving software/OS updates from Apple. While this won’t force you to upgrade hardware, it does add significant risk to your online time, since vulnerabilities will go unpatched. But, again, an important difference, which you shrewdly point out, you’re not forced or coerced to upgrade.
Edit: autocorrect
Fortunately, Firefox still supports old Macs. I have a running 2011 MacBook and 2008 iMac that are both still used for 3D printing and the other for an old local version of accounting software and email respectively.
While true, the vulnerabilities I’m referring to are those in the OS itself. But if they’re not connected, you should be ok. All I’m saying with this, is be super careful. Some of those vulnerabilities are zero click.
Edit: autocorrect that killed my grammar.
