Jfc, they’re USA citizens. Ffs.
Are they? Are they really? Puerto Rico still isn’t allowed to be it’s own state
This was like 4th grade shit for me my man.
What a weird place this instance is.
The explanation for those not in the know.Puerto Ricans are USA citizens they can vote for president but They can not vote on the president from Puerto Rico. They are natural born US citizens can’t vote for president in the place of their birth. This is because of many reasons.
So they have to move and become residents of not Puerto Rico, but a different state, to vote for president.
So they do not have the same rights as other US citizens because of where they live. This is unique in the united states.
I mean, it’s not because they’re Puerto Rican, it’s because they live in Puerto Rico. Someone from Iowa who moved to Puerto Rico would also not get a vote.
This is because our system allocates votes to land, not people.
US citizens don’t get to vote for president. They get to vote for who their place of residence votes for.Up until the 60s, people in DC also didn’t get a vote, because by default only states get a vote, and it’s explicitly not a state.
What a weird place this instance is.
implying that there are instances that aren’t like this
Are they? Are they really?
Yes they really are. They are U.S. citizens who are disenfranchised based on location.
Yeah, maybe it wasn’t entirely clear there but I was trying to say that they were treated as second class citizens that can pay taxes but can’t vote becit of where they live
You do know that has nothing to do with being of Puerto Rican ethnicity, right? It has to do with living on Puerto Rico. You can be a citizen of Indonesian descent who lives on Puerto Rico and you still can’t vote for president. But that person, and all of the other U.S. citizens making up the population of Puerto Rico can just hop on a plane or a boat and come to the continental U.S. (or even Hawaii or Alaska), no passport needed, move there without any immigration issues, and vote in the next presidential election.
It doesn’t matter what your ethnicity is.
You also can’t vote for president if you live on American Samoa or Guam.
I thought that was what I said, but having said that, does any of that make sense to you?Puerto Rico is US territory, you should be able to vote. Same for Samoa and other territories
They are still U S. citizens, just not citizens of any state. Same thing can happen if you are born in DC or a military base not in a state.
American Samoans are the ones that really get screwed. They are just U S. nationals. All the responsibilities of citizens (including the draft when it exists) but not all of the benefits.
It was kind of my point that they were treated as second class citizens, like Samoans, just because of where they were born. Puerto Rico should be it’s own state already
I think maybe the text of your post did not convey that sentiment, particularly given the reliability of Poe’s Law. Perhaps in the future, you might include a visible indicator that you are using satire?
Puerto Rican statehood is more complicated than that. Becoming a state is a contentious issue even amongst Puerto Ricans.
Is it?
I had friends there for a long time, they all basically either wanted the US out or had it be a US state, anything but this in between nothing that they’re in now
Yes it is. There is another referendum on statehood this year, but in 2020, the vote was only marginally higher in favor of it than against.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Puerto_Rican_status_referendum
A 2019 Gallup poll found 83% of Democrats in the US, but only 35% of Republicans, supported Puerto Rican statehood. A 2020 survey by International Policy Digest found that “The majority of Democrats showed support for statehood for both D.C. (61.8%) and Puerto Rico (69.7%)” while among Republicans, only 26.7% supported D.C. statehood and 34.8% supported Puerto Rican statehood.
That speaks volumes.
The joke only works if you understand that it’s not true and that no one can obviously believe it.
If it’s done where you and everyone thinks it’s true, you’re at a Klan rally or probably at the comedy mothership or something.
They’re absolutely terrified of Puerto Rican statehood, so they try to drive them away.
Little piss-baby cowards.
Folks in Puerto Rico when they’re admitted as a state: “he tells it like it is.”
This is a PR nightmare.
No it is not. Guaranteed Trump Puerto Rican voters agree. They just think it’s the other Puerto Ricians that are making it that way.
Puerto Rican voters
Does someone else want to tell atempuser23?
Good thing there’s only 5 million people who once lived in Puerto Rico in the 50 states and hundreds of thousands in Pennsylvania particularly
1.7% nationally isn’t much when spread out. I’m sure there are districts out there which are predominantly Puerto Rican, I just don’t think they’re a significantly large group.
Which is why I fully support making them a state and giving them due representation.
In a close election, any decent percentage matters and they are not spread out evenly at all. For instance, there are 500,000 in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania was won by only 42k in 2016
Plus a million in Florida - that can make the florida senate race a little more competitive. New York downballot races are a big part of why dems lost the house in 2022, and there’s also around a million in New York
They should certainly have representation, yes, but that’s not to say the Puerto Ricans in swing states / competitive downballot won’t matter either
You know there’s a significant Puerto Rican population in New York and Florida, right?
An estimated 5.8 million Hispanics of Puerto Rican origin lived in the United States in 2021
337 million in the US.
I wouldn’t call 1.7% spread across 50 states significant.
They’re not spread across 50 states, there are large population groups in PA, NY, and FL.
1.7% is more than enough to flip some swing states. Most swing states.
And two in particular have more than an average number of Puerto Ricans.
So yeah, it matters.
all the retarded takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?
What’s the joke?
I would like to know that. I would also like to know what the joke the same fuck told at the same event about black people carving Jack-o-Lanterns out of watermelons was.
I hope @dcat@lemmy.world can enlighten us as to what both jokes are.
According to the modlog, his comment was about how “all the r-slur takes in this thread are why many people hate lemmy, and you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
Hm. Doesn’t sound like much of a joke to me.
According to the modlog, they posted
“all the [r-slur] takes in this post is the reason many have come to hate lemmy. you guys do get that he’s a comedian doing an act at a conference, right?”
Yeah, that’s great. What’s the point of the moderator removing a comment if somebody like you is going to come along and repost it?
What’s the point of having a modlog that allows anyone to publicly see the comment that was removed?
The purpose was to show that they weren’t making some off-colored joke, as some suggested, but rather making a hateful statement in general. It was removed for violating rule 5. I censored out the slur, so if the mods want to remove my comment, they will. Feel free to ask them to do so.
Isn’t even an original joke, the meme of trash island in the Atlantic is old as hell, Google “England” for more information.
I think the joke was “I hate minorities, this is my unironic view! Race war now, if it aint white it’s not right, white power!” which, is about as funny as a child with terminal illness, which is to say… Not very funny at all, and is in fact quite a serious matter that should be taken as such.
The real joke is that the Trump campaign is tripping over itself now to disavow this message. Meanwhile it’s come to light that this “comedian” was going to drop a c-bomb in his material in reference to Kamala, but the Trump campaign told him to remove it, and he complied.
Meaning they vetted the material and were a-fuckin’-ok with garbage island, only to later lie more and try to backpedal.
They’re not even good at lying, kids.
Edit: spelling
I’m still baffled by the logic of having a roaster/crowd work guy doing a set at a convention. Like… he was gonna insult people and start shit. It’s literally his job.
He’s not my cup of tea, but he’s been around and successful for a while now. He’s not an unknown entity who they could claim acted unpredictable.
Eminem spoke at a Harris rally. But he’s an adult who cares about people and expects as much from his government.
Did he throw shade at European-Americans?
I didn’t watch because it’s a republican political rally but he usually talks shit about other white people in the form of self deprecating humor in the shorts that get passed through my algorithm, so … maybe? It doesn’t help matters much though if he did, and it wouldn’t be on the same level as calling the whole island trash.
Usually racial comedy can be fun when it takes advantage of knowledge of the in crowd. Like you couldn’t really know to make fun of something unless you yourself were a fan of it. Like there are fun ways to joke around about cultures you love. He wasn’t doing that.
is a “c-bomb” a cunt ?
Some people find that word to be too misogynistic to use as an epithet. I’m not quite sure where I stand on that myself, but I tend to avoid it overall.
In the context of the US, it most certainly is. Other places, maybe not so much.
I’m not British so I cannot use it in the proper manner. Literally the only demographic that can get away with it being an 8/10 on the Carlin index of offense terminology. If you aren’t British it’s pretty much a 10.
Let me guess… the setup was going to be about the pronunciation of her name, and then he would pronounce it “Cuntmala.”
These guys are Hi-Larious…
Last I saw they just claim it’s just comedy and the left wing has no sense of humor
They’d absolutely hate shows like Brooklyn 99 because there aren’t really any racist jokes, and it’s too “woke” for them
People need to lighten up. I heard his full set and it was hilarious and very young in cheak
I don’t I’m interested in hearing your opinion on anything, ever again, if you think cruelty is funny.
I think it’s up to the race he’s going after to decide if this is offensive or not. And we Latinos agree it’s offensive. Mainly because it’s not funny it’s just thinly veiled jokes used to push his real beliefs. And his “jokes” are lame and lazy. We have a good sense of humor I’m sure that’s been established throughout the years, if you make good jokes about us we’ll laugh and even respect you, but this guy is a known right winger and he’s making these “jokes” that are clearly not really jokes.
Also he said later people took it out of context but I think context makes it worse, the context is that he said this stuff during an official event for an official candidate
If you saw the whole thing, he threw everyone under the bus. That’s his dark humor - He’s a roasting comedian after all
He’s a speaker at a political rally. The setting makes a difference.
Does it has more jokes than aren’t “here’s list of people I don’t like”?
For all in tents and porpoises, I don’t think you know what that is supposed to mean.
I am currently in a different kind of marine mammal, should I be paying attention ?
Tf is young in cheak
It was Trump’s favorite menu item when staying on Epstein’s island.
“Tongue in cheek” as interpreted by someone very uneducated.
But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people. I spent one of the best vacations of my life there going all the way around the island (and Culebra!) and it was nothing but gorgeous views, great food, friendly people (it does help to speak Spanish so you understand d how friendly they are) and relaxing days.
And that was when the country was getting rocked by earthquakes and had recently been battered by a few climate-change monster hurricanes. Screw people who hate on PR, that place rocks and is more resilient than your average conservative commentator.
But… PR is part of the US and is a wonderful place full of kind people.
Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt. And the fact that they’re a majority Hispanic place where everyone born there is automatically a U.S. citizen. I’m sure that also makes them seethe.
Yes, and ones who don’t vote for these losers. That’s what’s got them butthurt.
Puerto Ricans don’t vote for anybody. They don’t have representation in Congress, and they have zero electoral votes because they aren’t a state.
So, no, they’re just butthurt because of racism, and Puerto Rico can’t do anything about it because they don’t have any representation.
The main reason PR isn’t a state is because Republicans are scared of how brown people would vote… and to a much greater extent, brown people in general.
Well Puerto Ricans are also of mixed opinions on whether they would even want to be a US state.
Everyone is of mixed opinions about everything, if they don’t want to be a state they can be an independent nation with visa and passport rights.
His “act” was only racist stuff. Republicans seems to believe decomplexed racism is comedy.
The south is a single issue voting bloc.
That issue being the reinstitution of Jim Crow.
I have Republican acquaintances who still make Clinton/Lewinsky jokes. Actually funny comedy is not their forte.
You should hit 'em back with a joke about Watergate.
I guess Tammany Hall would be the wrong party.
Because Puerto Ricans can’t vote, right ?
Taxation without representation? There should be a thing about that
Is that Kill Tony?
Yup thats what he does… roast mfs! I dont understand how everyone on lemmy is losing their mind over 1 joke!
The context is important. Republicans are openly racists, and this is a rally for Donald Trump presidency. This isn’t a badly lit comedy room
People who attend these events know who will be performing. Kill tony constantly brings black/hispanic comics on his show so Im very confused by what you are trying to say. All republicans are not racist.
“I am not racist because I have black friends”. This is how you sound.
The presidential nominee for the GOP is openly racist, sexist and a fascist. By choosing DJT as a nominee, you cannot dissociate the rascim from the party. If you are still a member of the GOP and/or vote for Trump, at best, you enable racism.
So yeah, going to the GOP rally shitting on Puerto Ricans, you are most definitely racist.
How I sound to you maybe, but that doesnt matter. Remember all this over a joke… get over your self!
And yet, most racists are Republicans. Weird.
Did you know you can interact with other races while still being racist?
Do you still believe that racism means that you actively are trying to kill another race?
He is openly bigoted, it’s not an act. Just watch his show. When he is drunk it all comes out, including his self-hating for being gay
Its comedy but it sounds like you dont like that type of comedy. No one is being racist to people who willingly went to a show that kill tony would be on. Nothing I can do if it hurts your fragile feelings.
Comedy isn’t a free pass to be a racist piece of shit.
For those that didn’t know before that Tony Hinchliffe is a racist Republican, now they know and can choose for themselves what they want to do about that. You can go and suck Tony’s dick.
It’s just a joke get over it!
It’s Tony Hinchcliffe at a recent MAGA rally in New York City.
It doesn’t matter. It won’t compel any of these mouth-breathing, lazy bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL retards to go out and vote Democrat. Nothing will.
Please don’t use that word around here.
There are large number of Puerto Ricans in many swing states (+ important downballot races), and Republicans have been trying to court their vote. This isn’t doing them any favors
Peurto Ricans by state
- Pennsylvania: 450k
- North Carolina: 100k
- Wisconsin: 65k
- Michigan: 50k
- Florida: 1.1 million
- New York: 1 million
It doesn’t even have to change minds all that much to matter. If any trump-leaning Puerto Ricans just don’t turnout, it matters a lot
Of course I hope you are right, but if after the past decade and everything that has happened, that has been said, this election seems to be in a dead heat instead of Harris/Waltz winning by anything other than a landslide, I hold no illusions about the intelligence and decency of the “average” american voter, these people are already dead inside, or at least not too far removed from illiterate medieval peasants, easily dazzled by bullshit and god-kings with magic political wands… abraca-fucking-dabra.
Reminds me of this classic greentext
This reminds me of when RTGame played Cities Skylines using a world map mod and made the island of Great Britain the landfill.
Free Puerto Rico
*With purchase of regular-priced Puerto Rico
