Hey, acting mean and superior is a poor crutch for a bad argument.
If you’d read my post, you’d understand that what I’m saying is that the Democrats are using the fact that they’re not the fascists as their primary outreach and fundraising platform. The problem is that there’s no soft way to deliver that message; you can’t say “hey, these guys are actual Nazis, but it’s like totally cool, don’t shoot them” without undermining your entire messaging. So, now that the democrats have decided to stop saying mean things about the fascists for fear that the fash will get the bash, the messaging has gone from “shut up and vote or we’ll get Hitler” to “shut up and vote”. Forgive me if I don’t find that to be a particularly powerful rallying cry, but I have some concerns about the ability of “just shut up and vote” to get people to the ballot box.
The problem is that there’s no soft way to deliver that message; you can’t say “hey, these guys are actual Nazis, but it’s like totally cool, don’t shoot them” without undermining your entire messagin
As if the only reason to not shoot someone is ideology.
It’s not a rallying cry it’s the reality.
Mean? superior? No, you have no legs. You are just pissing in the pot.
If you will, address my main assertion. That the Supreme Court has exposed the GOP as fasict. I know you can’t because that isn’t why you’re here with your defeatism.
Uh… Yes? I think that if you’d actually read what I’ve written, you would see that I make no secret of the fact that the GOP are fascists. That’s the point, the democrats have hitched themselves to the strategy of being the not fascists, and now they have no way forward. You can’t say “these guys are actual Nazis, that really actually want to do Nazi shit [and they do], but be cool about it.” It’s the political equivalent of “listen, there’s a nuclear strike incoming, but keep calm and carry on, maybe bring an umbrella.” Either you’re going to send the message that you have no idea what you’re talking about about, or that you don’t seriously believe in the threat; either way, it makes you sound like you’re full of shit and people will tune you out.
I think the best approaches at this point are to promote the P2025 talking points with no editorializing, just lay them bare and let people draw their own conclusions. ALSO, they need to put forward a bold, real alternative to the fash instead of just finger wagging. People are starving for the system to work for them, the GOP are exploiting that, why aren’t the democrats?
Edit: They also need to not be afraid of the conclusions people might draw from learning about what the GOP wants. If you want people to know the fascists are fascist, you have to be okay with some people deciding on sic semper tyrannis. It’s fine to disavow them, to discourage them, but you can’t flinch.
You can’t say “these guys are actual Nazis, that really actually want to do Nazi shit [and they do], but be cool about it.”
What the fuck is “be cool about it”? Voting them out of office is “be cool about it”? Fascists are the ones that believe might makes right you numbskull. As much as I want biden to flex his absolute immunity I know for a fact that would solve nothing and put us further behind. Democrats have to demonstrate they can make the system work for the people. That is the only way the people will have faith in the system.
It’s two fold, the people have to participate in the system. And you shit bags, storming in at the last hour after ever thing was said and done demanding we work outside what we had already established, are such a pain in my ass.
I don’t mind, I think it’s fine to have discourse, but please, have just as much if not more discourse around trump. Wtf. Would it help if I had mitt romney come by, grab your arm, and force it in your face and say, “stop hitting yourself”?
The nuclear strike is coming, and the government is saying, “hey, all we have are these umbrellas, if you vote me in I can delay it a bit longer.”
Again, still haven’t addressed my original assertion. The things that the GOP are doing speak louder than any rhetoric…
Dude, okay, first: I’m sure the Nazis led plenty of people to the gas chambers with their heads held high with pride about their non-violence. What stopped the Nazis was bullets. There aren’t any two ways about it, if you really, really believe that the GOP are a bunch of violent fascists, and they are, then saying “no, it’s okay, we can beat Hitler with voting / I’ll feel good if we lose as long as I tried my best” is a deranged statement. I can’t believe you had the gall to call me out of touch with reality. You can’t have it both ways, they’re either an existential threat to the Republic and a large chunk of America, or it’s okay if Joe loses as long as he tried his best.
Look, I voted in the primary, and I didn’t vote for Biden, so miss me with 100% of that shit. I want the democrats to get their ass in gear because I don’t particularly want to have to shoot Nazis. and btw, can you rephrase what the question is that you’re posing about the SCOTUS? What exactly is it that you want to hear from me?
I really belive the GOP are Christo-facists. Being a facist doesn’t mean they automatically get power. Like we arent at gas chambers yet. Obviously, wtf. You seem to think that Joe should be escalating when nothing is set as there is an entire election that will shape the course of history. You don’t live in reality.
I don’t get to go out on the street and shoot a nazi because they have a swastika on their chest. Full stop.
I don’t want Biden to start drone striking Congress, but it would be nice if the democrats acted like this election is as important as they keep saying it is, because it is that important.
Hey, acting mean and superior is a poor crutch for a bad argument.
If you’d read my post, you’d understand that what I’m saying is that the Democrats are using the fact that they’re not the fascists as their primary outreach and fundraising platform. The problem is that there’s no soft way to deliver that message; you can’t say “hey, these guys are actual Nazis, but it’s like totally cool, don’t shoot them” without undermining your entire messaging. So, now that the democrats have decided to stop saying mean things about the fascists for fear that the fash will get the bash, the messaging has gone from “shut up and vote or we’ll get Hitler” to “shut up and vote”. Forgive me if I don’t find that to be a particularly powerful rallying cry, but I have some concerns about the ability of “just shut up and vote” to get people to the ballot box.
As if the only reason to not shoot someone is ideology.
It’s not a rallying cry it’s the reality.
Mean? superior? No, you have no legs. You are just pissing in the pot.
If you will, address my main assertion. That the Supreme Court has exposed the GOP as fasict. I know you can’t because that isn’t why you’re here with your defeatism.
Uh… Yes? I think that if you’d actually read what I’ve written, you would see that I make no secret of the fact that the GOP are fascists. That’s the point, the democrats have hitched themselves to the strategy of being the not fascists, and now they have no way forward. You can’t say “these guys are actual Nazis, that really actually want to do Nazi shit [and they do], but be cool about it.” It’s the political equivalent of “listen, there’s a nuclear strike incoming, but keep calm and carry on, maybe bring an umbrella.” Either you’re going to send the message that you have no idea what you’re talking about about, or that you don’t seriously believe in the threat; either way, it makes you sound like you’re full of shit and people will tune you out.
I think the best approaches at this point are to promote the P2025 talking points with no editorializing, just lay them bare and let people draw their own conclusions. ALSO, they need to put forward a bold, real alternative to the fash instead of just finger wagging. People are starving for the system to work for them, the GOP are exploiting that, why aren’t the democrats?
Edit: They also need to not be afraid of the conclusions people might draw from learning about what the GOP wants. If you want people to know the fascists are fascist, you have to be okay with some people deciding on sic semper tyrannis. It’s fine to disavow them, to discourage them, but you can’t flinch.
What the fuck is “be cool about it”? Voting them out of office is “be cool about it”? Fascists are the ones that believe might makes right you numbskull. As much as I want biden to flex his absolute immunity I know for a fact that would solve nothing and put us further behind. Democrats have to demonstrate they can make the system work for the people. That is the only way the people will have faith in the system.
It’s two fold, the people have to participate in the system. And you shit bags, storming in at the last hour after ever thing was said and done demanding we work outside what we had already established, are such a pain in my ass.
I don’t mind, I think it’s fine to have discourse, but please, have just as much if not more discourse around trump. Wtf. Would it help if I had mitt romney come by, grab your arm, and force it in your face and say, “stop hitting yourself”?
The nuclear strike is coming, and the government is saying, “hey, all we have are these umbrellas, if you vote me in I can delay it a bit longer.”
Again, still haven’t addressed my original assertion. The things that the GOP are doing speak louder than any rhetoric…
Dude, okay, first: I’m sure the Nazis led plenty of people to the gas chambers with their heads held high with pride about their non-violence. What stopped the Nazis was bullets. There aren’t any two ways about it, if you really, really believe that the GOP are a bunch of violent fascists, and they are, then saying “no, it’s okay, we can beat Hitler with voting / I’ll feel good if we lose as long as I tried my best” is a deranged statement. I can’t believe you had the gall to call me out of touch with reality. You can’t have it both ways, they’re either an existential threat to the Republic and a large chunk of America, or it’s okay if Joe loses as long as he tried his best.
Look, I voted in the primary, and I didn’t vote for Biden, so miss me with 100% of that shit. I want the democrats to get their ass in gear because I don’t particularly want to have to shoot Nazis. and btw, can you rephrase what the question is that you’re posing about the SCOTUS? What exactly is it that you want to hear from me?
I really belive the GOP are Christo-facists. Being a facist doesn’t mean they automatically get power. Like we arent at gas chambers yet. Obviously, wtf. You seem to think that Joe should be escalating when nothing is set as there is an entire election that will shape the course of history. You don’t live in reality.
I don’t get to go out on the street and shoot a nazi because they have a swastika on their chest. Full stop.
I don’t want Biden to start drone striking Congress, but it would be nice if the democrats acted like this election is as important as they keep saying it is, because it is that important.