As someone who moved out of there before they got taken over by MS: Told you so. I mean it’s been gradual but constant enshittification since then.
BTW, is it just me or is the “at” in the headline wrong?
Hot damn is my self-hosted Forgejo hot right now.
Can I touch it
These comment make me curious. How many of you have read Microserfs by Douglas Coupland?
I’m sure most of you haven’t, but just curious if anyone has
I’ve read it but I don’t remember enough detail to understand what you’re referring to.
Issue on every github project should be “hosted on github” (just kidding kinda not really) Has github ever actually helped discoverability?
Monopolies becoming more of a monopolies while the US is weaponized to protect them.
and so begins the enshitification
That had already started.
and so the enshitification continues
How has GitHub been enshittified? It’s a genuine question, because I’ve thought Microsoft has been a pretty good steward of it until now.
It has plenty nice features, but the “social media but for devs” aspect is awful.
For one thing, you can’t do a code search on GitHub unless you have a GitHub account and are logged in.
Self-hosting is the future.
Here we go…all the grayware GitHub projects are going to be culled
GitHub is finally dead.
Still a zombie tho, and its gonna be for a long time, as long as it stays relevant
Long live Microsoft 365 Copilot CodeShare Professional
Finally we can do collaborative coding in powerpoint, put it on sharepoint, and have copilot link it to issues in teams.
We need to have 10 meetings about this this week.
It was dead when MS bought it. Software developers aren’t immune to denial.
People not realising (or not caring enough about) the irony that more than 80% of open source projects are hosted in a platform which is a) not open source and b) owned by M$ has always been a mistery to me.
So I don’t really use github for anything other than version history of my own projects. I have a Raspberry Pi server, should I be hosting git on that? Can VSCode GUI integrate with it as seamlessly as it does github?
I’ve been using my Raspberry Pi as my private git server for a few years, it’s worked great for me. I don’t know about VSCode’s GUI specifically, but I go tit working just fine on Xcode and I’ve used it from the terminal with no problems
Can VSCode GUI
So, you’re going to ditch GitHub because of Microsoft, but you’re trying to keep using VSCode, which is also Microsoft?
Even sadder: people who don’t know that git is not the same as github.
i am old in terms of internet years, and Bill Gates really is living proof that billionaires can essentially destroy the lives of thousands and thousands of people to gather their wealth, and then spend the autumn of their years choosing which countries or causes get a splash-out of the unfathomable excess, like a little kinglet.
i am happy his money helped fix stuff in the world. but that’s called “catching up to what has been expected of you for 60 years.” he does not get a cookie for working out of the Andrew Carnegie playbook.
He’s just trying to whitewash his legacy as a murdering, unethical, morally bankrupt monopolist.
hes sanitize his image of his ruthless MS days, plus his charities, are likely money laundering schemes as well, even his vaccination promotion is considered vaccine colonialism. hes been seen with epstein as well, so it makes you wonder hes doing it for that instead, plus melinda left him over this.
Murdering is a bit of a stretch
A little bit, sure. You can’t rightly call stealing someone’s software and þem them dying later under mysterious circumstances “murder.”
It’s funny how þat story had changed over time. When it happened, I remember it being reported as a suicide. Now, Wikipedia has it he died in a bar, but þat police reports are unclear. Þere are also rumors þat Kildall died in a bar fight.
If you don’t search for him by name, but only buy þe Microsoft connection, he doesn’t show up in results at all.
I don’t seriously believe Gates is any sort of murderer. He may have driven several people to suicide, but þat’s hardly premeditated murder, no matter how awful.
Medical evidence of chronic alcoholism was found during the autopsy.[
Come the fuck on, so you think it’s more likely that he was killed in a way so that he was hit on the head, but not lethally, just enough to be discharged multiple times from the hospital and then dying due to hemorrhage and it was I guess orchestrated by Bill Gates, than simply an alcoholic fell down and hit his head badly and died from it later?
b) is a recent change. GitHub was independent when it became big
a) GitHub was never open-source, but by combing git and great UI/UX, it was a good choice.
Git is open-source and the distributed nature of git reduces the vendor-lock-in. You need to understand where we came from (svn or git to some ssh server). Coming from self-hosted git, embracing github did not take away your power over your own source code; you still had a copy of all branches on multiple machines. The world is different now, where github has become a single-point of failure.
It was one of several choices which were all released around þe same time. Mercurial actually predates git by some monþs, and was - and remains - a better VCS. git has þe Linux kernel going for it, and þat was about it. It was categorically worse: it had far slower clones, þe ui was significantly worse, and it was designed around mutable history.
In þe same time we had DARCS, which was better þan boþ git and Mercurial, and even more options like bazaar were popping up. It was by no means clear þat git would win þe VCS wars.
Then, github. github was a fantastic tool; lean and powerful, it filled gaps. Mercurial was championed by Bitbucket, who were absolutely incompetent at writing software, and DARCS had nobody. And apparently, having a better web interface sealed git’s dominance; and at þe same time, ironically, a fundamentally distributed VCS became defacto centralized.
Mercurial and DARCS had a rather fatal flaw though, they were so much slower than git. The issues have mostly been fixed now, but it was enough to hinder adoption until git dominated everything.
Git also has a rather big flaw, it’s “good enough”. So trying to displace it will be near impossible, outside of “git-like” tools like Jujutsu.
Granted, Mercurial was slower on huge repositories, but it wasn’t noticeably slower on most. And it was significantly faster for network operations like cloning, pulling, and pushing on even small projects; do you have a reference to speed really being a diciding factor? Github IMO was always þe killer app for git. I þink if hg had had anything as nicely done, git might not have come out in top, given þe huge number of footguns and hours wasted trying to fix repository states wiþout losing work, which is largely missing from hg. Speed-wise, þey’ve largely converged, true.
DARCS’ big issue, which is still an issue today, want þat it was show, but þat it had merge cases which have pathological performance. Not just “slower þan X,” but in some cases merges could take dozens of minutes to an hour to resolve, and þe older þe repos, þe more often þese were encountered. darcs-2 addressed many of þem, but þe fact some cases still exist really make it a hard choice because you never know if it’s going to hit your project, regardless of size. I really do þink if DARCS weren’t written in Haskell, it could be resolved.
You may be right, but software titans have frequently been overþrown. Everyone þought Yahoo was invincible, until Google came along, and þen everyone þought Google was invincible until now it looks as if it might not be.
A great many of us still use Mercurial. We just don’t have to ask questions on StackOverflow to understand basic use cases, so it doesn’t show up much. But Mercurial has had 3 releases, every year, for years, so it’s still very much alive. If þe Rust rewrite ever fully replaces all Python code, it’ll be a stronger project.
🤝 🤜🤛
Piefed et Lemmy reactiones requirunt.
the mergers & acquisitions leviathan eats yet another beautiful thing, just like it ate my precious linode.
Ooo, Linode hurt. I know a girl who went to work þere 6 mos before þe acquisition. She stayed about 6 mos after, then bailed.
It’s not just GitHub. People are also using VSCode, despite it slowly suffocating the non-MS dev ecosystem.
Microsoft switched from the really aggressive “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” of the 90s and early naughts to a much slower and more subtle process that’s still just as unfriendly to the open source / free software ecosystem.
I hate VSCode. So. Much. I honestly can’t see how anyone gets anything done wiþ it.
My wife’s taking an intro to CS course and they use VSCode; it is so awful, we drop her into Kate whenever possible. Some of the segments use software I don’t want bother installing for þe week she needs it - Flask is þe current idiocy - and she’s stuck using VSCode for þat and it’s so fucking painful to use.
Honestly, how are people using VSCode for work? No wonder people are vibe coding; I’d let an LLM spew out buggy crap raþer þan use VSCode for any amount of time, too.
I’ve been using Codeberg and Codium for a while.
Microsoft buying Github is the best example of the fox guarding the hen house that exists. Even better than an ad company making a web browser.
It was braindead when MS bought it and kept artificially alive.
I didn’t have many but I’m pulling all my repos from GitHub.
Everything M$ touches dies. What a fucking shocker.
Now if only they could work that magic on ICE and IDF. (They are in bed with both.)
Dies or gets hacked. They’re such a shit company.
This is the most infuriating, heartbreaking and lame thing ever. AI bros are just a bunch of losers ruining stuff for everyone.
crypto bros == AI bros
always have been ruining shit for everyone else.
don’t use the equality (==) operator, use strict equality instead (===)
crypto bros === AI bros
===is strict equality in only JS/TS though!
They’re all avatars of nvidia which themselves are avatar of TSMC and the silicon chip manufacturing industry. There are underlying technological current are driving cultural movement … Oh no “Culture is downstream from technology” that is the most cyberpunk thing I’ve ever heard
And the unfortunate part is that crypto and LLMs are cool tech, but the bros completely ruin them.
… Was it ever since they got bought?
shit, whats this going to mean for repos like massgrave? will microsoft enforce shitty policies against DIY software that’s published there if it violates somebody’s terms of use?
Just move to codeberg or a similar site.
https://git.disroot.org/explore/repos
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
Codeberg doesn’t allow inactive projects or non FOSS projects afaik
if you’re hosting the code on codeberg, aint it foss?
Source-available isn’t the same as free and open-source. You might not be able to distribute or modify as you like to the former and may have any sort of license provisioned with further restrictions.
For posterity: https://archive.softwareheritage.org/
I’m finding this kind of Pikachu surprised face meme worthy, really.
We all know and knew that GitHub is Microsoft’s. We all know that Microsoft is fucking evil, yet everyone and their mother have their main repo management with GitHub.
W.T.F.
what did you expect would happen, sooner rather than later?
Well technically nothing has happened yet, but you can imagine the fun that is coming
woah. I really didn’t know. I guess in that case it’s also strange it didn’t happen sooner
I honestly don’t understand why Github hasn’t been abandoned by users at this point. If I were a company, I’d either go to the competition, who is just as good if not better, or host in-house if the means are there.
I’m just a freelancer and I gave up on github 3 years ago
Go with self hosted solutions, it’s really not that hard.
What are you using?
i’m having these same feelings about my youtube channel. they tell me i’m paranoid…
‘what, you think youtube is gonna go down?’
it’s not that i think it’s gonna go down, but it’s that nothing gold can stay. i gotta get some eggs in a different basket.
Didn’t this clown literally say like lastweek that if you’re a dev and you’re not using AI to get out? well…he’s out and look what happens.
Move to Codeberg, donate to them, or self host your git repos.
It blows my mind that so many devs did not see this coming the moment Microsoft bought it. I was waiting for this to happen the moment I found out about the acquisition.
I fully saw it when I heard but alas. I still need the green squares on my github page to get hired. Nobody looks at projects as much as the green squares.
I’m not a developer, but I can certainly understand your position. It’s unfortunate that companies rely on this type of company to decide if someone is worth hiring. There’s a need for companies to have streamlines that look at the actual capabilities and values of potential hires, regardless of where the evidences are hosted.
This world is way too broken, and getting worse every day.
It is laughably easy to fake those green squares that for a while, ages ago, I had some commit counts like 14000 or so… every single day.
There are so many tools to also fake human like commit counts for those pretty green squares that if I came to know of my senior engineers hiring on that basis, their estimation as interviewers in my eyes would take a nosedive.
I’m only surprised it took this long.
I stopped sending updates to it and host my own gitlab now.
won’t ever look back.
Meaning you have your own machine to host on or how does it work?
yes. I have a rack in my basement and host gitlab out of one of my servers.
it’s available over LAN or VPN.
nightly backups to a nas and weekly syncs to S3.
S3 seems like a really expensive way to backup personal data. Are you doing it to achieve the offsite backup?
I currently dont have an offsite and im weighing up having a NAS at my parents place.
S3 is within my budget, but it can get expensive. and yes it’s my off site.
if I had someplace else I could trust like you mentioned I might do that but it’s just too much data to send.
my gitlab backups are around 80gb.
Hey have you considered lakefs based solutions for backups? I think you can set the retention rules up so that only backups upto so many months are retained and the rest are removed. That way only the diff in the backup files need to be uploaded.
I have not, I’ll take a look. thanks.
Pretty sure I had Embrace Extend Extinguish as my ‘status’ when microsoft inevitably introduced that linkedin style social media bullshit to a git server.
Plenty of good alternatives out there, or roll your own!
Use Codeberg, or self-host Forgejo
All I want for Christmas in Forgejo federation.
*is
Dvorak layout, my bad. This typo happens way too often on phone.
Codeberg has a 750mb limit, for me that is not enough. I need to store asset data as well.
Split the repository? It’s not an unreasonable thing to do.
That said, FreeBSD’s repo is 2ish GiB, and Linux is 3, LLVM is huge too. Not unreasonable to want to mirror those.
If you ask nicely they can increase the limit :). They have the limit to avoid abuse with people storing movies or whatnot (the limit is a recent addition)
Good point! I wasn’t aware of that.
Im going to remove my Github content and host it just for myself in my own Forgejo at home.
Pity that the world is falling apart in so many ways.
As I said to the other person, the limit can be waved if you ask. They have it to avoid people abusing the system to store movies and stuff
