I had an internship 15 years ago where I was forced to write C++ with no internet access. I had to use a programming manual and man pages.
25 years ago I was writing code in a paper notebook, sometimes while riding the bus. The only computer access was at college and it was easier to work through the code on paper and then quickly transcribe it once I got on campus.
Yeah, things are a bit more complicated now, but in other ways they are sooooo much easier. The fact that people are using chatGPT to ‘program’ is just crazy from my perspective.
I had CS exams that were coding only that i had to do on paper. For multiple classes. There is no debugging on paper.
Like an animal.
I just read the headers
I’d just write C and get annoyed by the #includes having different names.
no Google
I do not believe you.
Arch Linux
Okay, fine. A rare sighting.
I’m literally designing some code now and realized that I used DuckDuckGo to find man pages for system calls… from my Arch laptop. 😑
They did it before the Internet was even a thing, my friend.
I was there. I was one of them. I just chose to use tools to make my life easier. Call me a sell out, I guess.
Nope, not a sell out. Just a person using the tools at hand. You can’t just live in the past. You did it without Google back then because there was no Google and you had to use what you had to use. Now you use Google, because again, you have to use what you have to use. In the end, I personally only care about the outcome.
I just chose to use tools to make my life easier
If you don’t then I’d call you stupid. Keep doing that, friend. That’s the best way actually. You want your life easier so you can put out great work.
Google went live in 98? First Arch in 02?
I’m talking about developers in general before even Linux was a thing. I thought that was obvious in my comment. Guess not, I need to work more on my English.
I understood your point fine. I indeed started out with first Commodore BASIC and then into 6502, all using the manuals because there wasn’t much else of a source back then.
Thank you, kindly. I’ve heard that manuals where fun to use (sarcasm). Unfortunately, I am old enough to remember those days, but wasn’t fortunate enough to own or even be able to witness such gems in real life.
Your English is fine. The same words often evoke different mental images from one person to another. Sometimes I have trouble distinguishing when to embrace literal meanings and when to go with the general gist of words. Thanks for addressing my comment, a gentle reminder for me.
Thank you 🫡
But he went out of his way to install man pages on arch? Probably a narc.
Aren’t they there by default?
Noop, you have to install the man-db package
If you’re using arch, you shouldn’t need man pages. Because you use arch, BTW.
Wait, what? Arch has more comprehensive documentation than just about any other distro.
I remember using man pages when I was contributing to a C open source project back in the day.
C and Bash are the only languagss that man pages are useful for
There are dozens of us. And we are used to reading manuals, since we first installed our system.
It is extremely easy to use the internet without using google.
Yeah, otherwise it would have been very hard before they came into being.
Remember when the internet was more than like 5 websites?
Gen Z doesn’t.
No future. Lmao
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I prefer man pages through google
Raw dogging development
I still use emacs
It’s a fine operating system, what editor do you use?
Oh, many many of them.
Sometimes text-mode, sometimes fundamental-mode, sometimes picture-mode, tex-mode, ess-mode…
This indecent has been reported
Your disk quota shall be reduced by 100MB before redirecting you to
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That’s impossible. He would be too busy telling everyone that he uses Arch to get any work done.
Vim ftw!
Helix crew 🖐️
Helix FTW!
There are literally dozens of us!
As another Helix user, I’ll gladly accept the high five 👏
My bruh 👊
I can’t live without vim.
Sometimes I wander into vscode but it’s less productive for me.
Plus vscode has weird name inconsistencies (the app is called visual studio code, it’s branded as vscode, and the menu bar says Code), which is probably normal for Microsoft but unusual elsewhere.
I wouldn’t stress about it. Code was never meant to be edited in a web browser anyway.
I should fork vim and call it ‘death’, so I can shout “give me vim or give me death!” any time someone suggests a different editor.
It’s vi… but improved!
Vimproved
Yay! Cencorship! I spent an extra 3 seconds focusing on the word psychopath trying to figure out what went wrong instead of reading it like a normal word. Isn’t that so much better than offending an algorithm with the letter ‘h’?
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Psychopatl
Wasn’t that one of the Incan gods?
You are thinking of the one they used to design the common keyboard layout, Qwertycoatl.
I’m partial to Tomatl and Ahuacatl
I think it is some kind of winged puma with the bosom of a woman.
I was thinking Nahuatl
You saw that but not devloper? Buncha amateurs.
Could also just be a non native English speaker.
There is a couple of pixels coming out from the middle of the ‘l’
Yea fair I guess I’m tired
Well have a nap…
THEN FIRE Z MISSILES!!!
What about the Y missiles?I stand corrected
Ngl didn’t even notice it was covered until I read your comment
Just straight up raw-dogging it
Normalise living your best life.
If it was man pages then they were likely scripting not coding. 🤷♀️
Edit: Obligatory “Actchuuuallllyyy*”
“Actually”… man pages also include information about the standard Unix C functions.
Knew someone was going to correct me some how. Love it! Learn something new every day.
The true psychopaths are those sweating about which tools other people use
I use:
- DuckDuckGo
- Neovim
rustydusty IdeaPadArchNixOS btw
I don’t read man pages but I read documentation.
Am I also a psychopath?
I decided to try Cursor today (first time every using any coding assistant) to refactor my sloppy NixOS config, and I’m really impressed to far. My config is so much cleaner and very well documented. It even has automated backups, a
README.md, andCHANGELOG.mdnow!The cost has been ~$22 so far (I’m still tinkering with it).
ETA: I also use
ArchNixOS btwI would not say that. I use a very old 13" Dell XPS laptop. I use Code-Server and duckduckgo. I have be known to program on my 7 year old android tablet with a bluetooth keyboard. For the most part I look at docs for JS modules as I write mostly in Python with Flask and use JS for responsiveness. Before anyone suggests something else I have to interface with a VERY old database that I wrote a webservice into through C#. I do realize there are other ways but python is my comfort point and the amount of backend processing makes it easier to use a “real” language. For my purposes it is plenty fast.
Oh god no, ideapads. My dad has one and the metal parts hardly fit together after a year, the key travel is 1mm and the touchpad is practically useless.
Definitely. I am calling the vibe police right now 🚓
You sound more like a Rage Tuned File Monster, or rtfm for short
