The incident in northern California marked the latest mishap blamed on the electric vehicle company's Autopilot tech

The incident in northern California marked the latest mishap blamed on the electric vehicle company’s Autopilot tech

  • IllNess@infosec.pubEnglish
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    6 months ago

    Roads really need a standard for sensors specifically for autopilots.

    GPS and cameras reading lines, signs ,and lights aren’t good.

          • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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            6 months ago

            You have to lay tracks for a tram though, means changing the route isn’t that easy. Self-Driving buses would actually be more efficient since you could alter the route on a hourly basis if you wanted optimized by traffic and destinations required.

            All that could be easily automated, but you lose that if you have a physical track you have to run along.

    • wieson@feddit.orgEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Yeah, like a digital “ideal line” that the cars can follow.

      Maybe even a physical guiding line.

      We could even connect all the cars via WLAN (WiFi) to exchange info when they are braking and accelerating. That would increase efficiency.

      Maybe we could even connect them physically to have a stronger engine pulling more cars more efficiently.

      If we already have an ideal guiding line, we might actually save some asphalt and make the roads more optimised. Use different materials so the tyre particles don’t pollute as much.

      Ah, let’s just build a train.

    • FireRetardant@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      I don’t want to waste any more tax money trying to make one of the least effecient modes of transport more autonomous. Just build an electricrfied tram if thats what you want.

      • blarth@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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        6 months ago

        The United States is simply too large and distributed for everyone to use public transportation. It will never happen, so get used to it and try to optimize what will be part of our future.

        • FireRetardant@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 months ago

          The majority of trips people make are within their own city/local region. Thats where transit should be implemented first. Your country is not “too big” for transit

          If your country is too big for transit, it is certainly too big for all sorts of sensors and such in the roads to assist autonmous driving.

          • blarth@thelemmy.clubEnglish
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            6 months ago

            It is too distributed in too many places for mass transit. The religious fervor over the fuck cars movement is not going to get people in highly populated, low density areas to walk a mile to catch a bus to catch a train full of homeless people to catch another bus to walk a half mile to their destination, when they could have completed that same journey in the comfort of their own car in 1/4 of the time.

            Take Dallas for instance. I’m not going to do the work for you, but feel free to plan a trip from a random house in Allen, TX to a business 5-10+ miles away using both the public transit system and then a car. No one sane with limited time in their day is opting for the public transit option. And this is in a city with a decent passenger rail system.

            • FireRetardant@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              6 months ago

              All of those issues could be fixed by building around transit being the prioirty instead of the car. Some cities actually have transit that is faster than a car because transit gets priority at intersections and can take a more direct route.

                • FireRetardant@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  6 months ago

                  The new york city subway is often faster than driving. Many cities in the Netherlands have faster transit or cycling times than driving due to careful planning and priority. Japan has high speed rail connecting many of its cities, most trains going faste than highway speeds, some doubling or even tripling highway speeds.

                  Also north america was founded on trains. If we could build trains 100 years ago we can build better ones now.

  • 0x0@programming.devEnglish
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    6 months ago

    Was the driver asleep or something? The car drove quite a bit on the tracks… sure, blame Tesla all you want (and rightly so), but you can’t really claim today that the car has “autopilot” unless you’re hunting for a lawsuit. So what was the driver doing?

    • mannycalavera@feddit.ukEnglish
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      6 months ago

      California, so I’m I’m guessing the driver was getting head at the time whilst drinking beer.

    • NutWrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 months ago

      Who needs a driver? This car has AUTOPILOT.

      But seriously, Tesla “autopilot” is nothing more than a cruise control you have to keep an eye on. Which means, it’s NOT “autopilot.” This technology is not ready for the real world. Sooner or later, it’s going to cause a major, horrible accident, involving dozens or people. Musk has enough connections to avoid any real-world consequences but maybe enough people will get over their child-like worship of billionaires and stop treating him like he’s the next Bill Gates.

      • nevemsenki@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        Somewhat ironically, autopilot for airplanes is more less attitude/speed holding for most history. More modern systems can now autoland or follow a preprogrammed route (the flight plan plugged into the FMS), but even then changes like TCAS advisories are usually left up to the pilots to handle. Autopilots are also expected to give control to the pilots in any kind of unexpected situation.

        So in a way tesla’s naming here isn’t so off, it’s just the generic understanding of the term “autopilot” that is off somewhat. That said, their system is also not doing much more than most other level 2 ADAS systems offer.

        On the other hand, Elon loves going off about Full Self Driving mode a lot, and that’s absolutely bullshit.

        • Wrench@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Comercial pilots also have a lot of training, huge list of regulations and procedures for every contingency, amd a copilot to double check your work.

          Tesla has dumb fuck drivers that are actively trying to find ways to kill themselves. And an Orange wedged in the steering wheel is the copilot. To trick sensors.

          Maybe the latter should not be trusted with the nuance that is the “autopilot” branding.

        • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Because 2007+ have seen an influx of new computer users, mostly using mobile devices, many of them thinking that this is how computer use looks now and that this is the future.

          Now the iPhone generation (including adults and seniors who haven’t used anything smarter) thinks that you can replace any expert UI with an Angry Birds like arcade on a touchscreen.

          If real autopilot to be trusted were possible for airplanes now, we’d see fully automated drone swarms in all warzones and likely automated jets (not having the constraint of G-forces survivable by a human, and not requiring life support systems at all), but in real life it’s still human-controlled FPV drones and human-piloted jets.

          Though I think drone swarms are coming. It’s, of course, important to have control over where the force is applied, but a bomb that destroys a town when you need to destroy a house is often preferable to no bomb at all.

          The point was that people want magic now and believe crooks who promise them magic now. Education is the way to counter this.

        • Echo Dot@feddit.ukEnglish
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          6 months ago

          Delicately put. But essentially that’s why self-driving cars are not really seen outside of Tesla. Unless the technology is basically perfect there’s essentially no point to it.

          Tesla have it because they use the public as guinea pigs.

          I wouldn’t mind if they all had to go to some dedicated test track to try it out and train it and outside of those environments it wouldn’t turn on. If they want to risk their lives that’s their prerogative, my problem is that it might drive into me one day and I don’t own a Tesla so why should I take that risk?

      • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        It’s rather reminiscent of the old days of GPS, when people would follow it to the letter, and drive into rivers, go the wrong way up a one-way street, etc.

      • Takumidesh@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 months ago

        I just don’t understand how someone can read all the warnings, get a driver’s license (implying their knowledge of the rules of the road) and presumably have years of driving experience and magically think it’s ok to just stop paying attention.

        It doesn’t matter if the car fully promotes itself as self driving, it doesn’t matter if the laws surrounding it still require you to be present and in control.

        It’s no different than 1000hp cars, just because the car is marketed as such, doesn’t magically make it legal to go 200mph.

          • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            6 months ago

            Anyone who agree’s to this warning, and thinks the car is capable of fully driving themselves, is an idiot

            "Full Self-Driving is in early limited access Beta and must be used with additional caution. It may do the wrong thing at the worst time, so you must always keep your hands on the wheel and pay extra attention to the road. Do not become complacent. … Use Full Self-Driving in limited Beta only if you will pay constant attention to the road, and be prepared to act immediately …

            Now, I don’t know if that warning exists after it became Full Self Driving (Supervised) when V12.X became a thing and he gave free demo’s to everyone, but at that point its name literally includes SUPERVISED, so really, they’re idiots either way.