I just kind of wonder with how casually people express these thoughts. It’s a little disturbing how normalized it is to entertain such notions, given how other types of fantasies are very stigmatized.

Like when discussing char.ai, acting out sexual or romantic fantasies is something a lot of people do, but it’s considered embarrassing. While people freely discuss violent roleplays without any shame.

And then there’s the cliche of fantasizing about killing one’s boss or coworkers.

Are these really common thoughts for mentally sound people to have?

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    If you’re worried, have a Hare test done. It’s a question and answer survey that helps diagnose sociopathy.

    Personally I have a hypothesis that humanity has invisibly specialized, like ants. Hundreds of thousands of years of living in very dangerous environments with people living a few miles away that constantly want to kill you and take your food.

    This has led to a mentally prepared warrior caste that will be less likely to fall to fear or panic in combat (of course this is natural selection, only the surviving warriors get to reproduce)

    And I am thinking part of that is, as you experience, these violent fantasies.

    You aren’t having them because you are mentally ill, you are having them because your ancestors evolved over thousands of generations to have more Fight than Flee in your emergency response.

    Unfortunately that means your brain is geared for violence, like mine.

    Were we born 400 years ago we might have been lauded heroes, but in our modern safe world we are relics that society wants to forget.

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      OP Is ok. Don’t tell me that you have not had a dick of a boss that was cruel to you and thought about ways to kill the SOB. The thoughts are fine but putting it into action is a whole different thing.

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        Dick of a boss? Yes.
        Thought of shouting at him, telling how I feel? Yes.
        Thought of brutally murdering him? No.

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    It’s normal to get such weird brainfarts, like the call of the void or imagining murder or other bad things, just like when a song suddenly gets stuck in your head. A healthy person thinks “wtf brain?” but when you start to think “that’s a great idea I want to act on”, maybe that’s not completely normal.

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    I would say no, that is not normal.

    Its important to note that someone saying “I wish I could/ I would kill my [whoever],” that doesn’t usually mean anything beyond just “I am voicing my frustration with that person.” That doesn’t mean they have actually given the idea thought.

    If someone is actually thinking about killing or harming someone, please seek professional help.

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    Lol me and my gf used to play this game when we went into public areas. And we would decide how they would die. Than it bore down into who would you eat first on a desert island with no food.

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    Like when discussing char.ai, acting out sexual or romantic fantasies is something a lot of people do, but it’s considered embarrassing. While people freely discuss violent roleplays without any shame.

    Violence is culturally normalized, while sexual things are usually shamed and censored. We can see this a lot in different media, especially the US is very big on that part.

    And then there’s the cliche of fantasizing about killing one’s boss or coworkers.

    Never heard of that and I’d say that’s downright sociopathic. I think the only time I had seriously violent thoughts were about my cheating ex girlfriends, and there was a lot of shit that came along with that, that I’m not going to go into here. Let’s just say it was very traumatic and accordingly caused a lot of very different thoughts in general. But casually having fantasies about killing people? Nah dawg. That’s when you get a therapist.

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    There’s a big difference between thinking/imagining something and acting on it. I wouldn’t consider it an issue unless it’s causing damage to your life or relationships. Fixating on morbid stuff to the point that it impacts your life is probably a sign of something bigger going on.

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    I think there are different kinds of violent fantasies. I imagine all kinds of violent stuff in an unrealistic action movie kind of way, with exploding heads and disembowelment and all that (I run D&D games lol). I got worried that I might be dangerous. Then, one time I tried to vividly imagine the actual real world consequences of hurting a real person that I knew, and I couldn’t get any further than imagining the pained, betrayed look on their face before I had to hit the eject button. That brief exercise fucked me up for weeks afterward, but it was pretty reassuring. In the long run. I think I’m the schmuck in the horror movie that chokes when it comes down to actually firing a gun at someone and gets killed for hesitating, and honestly I think I’m okay with that.

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    Hmm, the human mind is very complex. So there are all kinds of things. I’m not having these thoughts involving actual people. But I can let my creativity run free and imagine all kinds of fantasies. I also read books and picture things. Or watch movies that contain violence. But I separate that from reality. With that said… There are things like intrusive thoughts. A lot of people for example report being haunted by the intrusive thought, they could (while driving) at any time yank the steering wheel, crash into that concrete bridge pier and die. That might be uncomfortable. I think it’s called “L’appel du vide” or “the call of the void”. But I think it’s connected to the brains ability to weigh options, picture outcomes and assess risks. We can also assess dark scenarios. That in itself isn’t bad. But it becomes an issue once you lose control or it starts affecting things. Same applies to other disturbing thoughts/fantasies. I’d be super careful if it involves real people. But I mean we do that. We sometimes also fantasize about positive things. Like having sex with someone who is out of reach. Maybe that’s practically the same thing. But it comes with issues.

    So yeah, I’d say things like that happen to mentally sound people. It depends on the extent and how you deal with it. And there isn’t anything like a “mentally sound” person in my opinion. Most people I’ve met are crazy (in a good way) one way or another. And life isn’t strictly one thing or another, either.

    One thing that makes me worried though, is you mentioning the word “sadistic”. I can’t relate to that. I’m not sure if it’s a common (or healthy) feeling. I think I’ve never experienced any urge to be sadistic towards any living being.

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    Yes, it’s perfectly normal. It’s important to acknowledge that the more you indulge particular thoughts or fantasies, the more they become a part of your core personality, so it’s important to hold your thoughts captive, and form yourself into the type of person you want to be.

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    I can’t say I’ve ever fantasized about killing a boss or coworkers. However, when I was 4 years old I imagined an alternate dimension that held a mirror universe to our own universe. However the big difference was in the alternate universe everybody was naked, and chained to a really really long wall. Like the great wall of china, except it spanned the entire globe.

    Then whenever a kid in preschool or a teacher, or whomever made me mad, I’d go into the alternate dimension and poke them with hot skewers while they couldn’t move.

    Saying it like that, I sound really messed up as a kid…

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        Maybe that “sadistic” qualifier sets some apart, but I don’t think anyone can be human and not have a violent fantasy about someone.

        For instance, most of us experience bullying in some way, and I can’t imagine there’s a single human being that didn’t want to react violently in some way.

        It’s just part of being human.