Why would you use Gmail in the first place?
I have a Google account at work with the domain name of the company. The AI is annoying and I wished they used something else.
Do any other email services/clients have a very similar search function? Where I can search for date ranges and email sizes in addition to the more typical operators.
At my workplace I have to deal with Outlook, and it’s a pile of crap in comparison.
Use Thunderbird as a client with any email service. Thunderbird has all the features you want.
Thanks, actually I was already using it for backing up my Gmail inbox, so now I looked at its search features, and found the Expression (Power) Message/Calendar Search - NG addon that provides Gmail-like filtering :)
I have been moving away from all of the big name companies for big name products.
It’s a shame, because I used to be very supportive of Google.
Ex-Google fan boy here. Been riding the fuck Google wagon for about 7 years now, no regrets, and certain I’m missing out on absolutely nothing. Moving away from all these self-serving BS “tech giants” is the smartest and healthiest move anyone can do.
Why is it never the other way around? I’m sick of EULA updates silently enrolling me into things i never asked for
Maybe the even more important question: Why can you even opt out? Why is this not done on-device, without anything going anywhere to begin with?
I mean, I know the answer, you know the answer, everyone knows the answer. If this was truly privacy preserving, there would be no need to opt out.
As Louis Rossmann likes to say, this is a rapist mentality.
Ask for forgiveness instead of permission.
It’s part of the abuse.
Plus the options are frequently hidden and unclear.
I thought disabling One Drive on my Windows machine would keep it from syncing to the cloud. Nope, it just changed where the files were stored but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn’t running.
In the case of google, I assume that turning off the Gemini bullshit doesn’t have any impact on it copying all the content to their servers even if you don’t see it happening.
but Windows copies it to One Drive even when One Drive isn’t running.
I don’t understand why users and our justice system let them get away with this. This is malicious. Your operating system is literally literally malware. It does not respect your choices and it steals your information.
That’s just untrue though, onedrive doesn’t work like that. I’m not saying Microsoft doesnt steal data either, but onedrive isn’t required for that. In fact it can suck so hard it won’t sync shit while running.
Defender can literally submit anything it wants to Microsoft by default and doesn’t hide it.
It absolutely does work like that.
to shove it in people’s faces who would never go out of their way to turn it on. probably like 99% of people.
They are asking for legal trouble anyway, at least in Europe
And we’ll just watch them either get slapped by an insignificant fine, or watch them weasel their way out of this again, by claiming they made you agree to some perpetual abandonment of rights, like they always do
Or pay a fine of half a billion or so, but only 15 years later
it says you need to hace smart features on for this to work. I went looking for how to turno it off, but aparentoy in the EU, UK, Japan and others it’s off by default
Most email is short. I don’t see a need to summarize it. Google is run by idiots and assholes.
ive actually used it at work for stuff like “when did Wendy approve the design? did she send it to brian?” when I have 5 different email threads over 3 different organizations, with 10 different respondees. But in personal use I would never.
If mine could do that “find me the approval email for x last week” I’d use it, but if outlook had a decent search I wouldn’t need it.
I’d settle for AI clipping out everyone’s redundant signatures, .gif logos, comic sans bible quotes, and everything else packed into email that people use as direct messaging. Or my coworkers could just use WebEx for chats instead of emails.
Ai will write complicated long mails, you’ll need an Ai to summarise it
If an email needs to be summarized, I’m not going to read it anyway.
More opt outs… Everyone, just opt out of big tech
We should opt into little tech. A guy in Venezuela just trying to buy a couple days food will read your email and summarize it for you!
This made me think of the South Park episode where they’re hiring people to replace the Amazon Alexa and stuff.
End users: To access Gemini summary cards, users need to have smart features and personalization smart features in Gmail, Chat, and Meet and smart features in Google Workspace turned on. Visit the Help Center to learn more about collaborating with Gemini in Gmail.
Sounds like it’s an opt in, what am I missing
If you already had smart replies or similar enabled (they were available before Gemini hit the scene) then you have to go opt out.
That makes sense
Consider me opted
Gemini has popped up pnce since it became a thing. I simply clicked no and it’s gone away. So hopefully it stays away.
Unfortunately not. That’s like saying “A burglar put a spycam in my house once. I simply said no and he removed it. So hopefully it stays that way”. It’s there, you just can’t see it now.
That’s ok :) All my important mails go to proton
The Proton owner is Trump-y. Tuta is another option
We should also be boycotting businesses that support establishment democrats.
Evidence?
I can’t go changing my email every time a ceo flips a switch and goes crazy. Your all gonna have to find something better than ‘just try this other one’
Self hosting then
You can have Google forward your emails while you move over your accounts
Get your own domain and use it for mail routing to whichever email service of your choice. Afaik gmail offers this, and so does probably any other decent email provider. That way if a provider turns to shit, you just need to set up with a different one, but don’t have to change any accounts.
Downside: you will have to pay for that domain for the rest of your life (or change all accounts again)
I’ve been meaning to do this for a while, maybe I’ll finally do it now.
Btw (sort of just thinking out loud) could paying for an email domain be a solution? I see many webhosts offering email + domain packages for like 1-3 GBP/month, and we could just download the emails into, say, Thunderbird, so if a company turns shit, we still have the domain and all the emails received/sent over the years.
Ive actually been thinking about doing something like this. Im tired of being forced to rely on some company’s computer
Hey, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I’m sick of one clueless idiot posting something and then a whole crowd of brainless followers jumping on the bandwagon just to smear someone’s name (like what’s happening with Proton and Andy Chen, for example).
Honestly, I couldn’t care less if Andy was Trump’s biggest fan. Proton’s track record on privacy is rock solid. I spent two years digging into Tuta, Proton, disroot, and a bunch of others until I finally settled on Proton for my family—and I’ve never looked back. My wife, who used to throw money at Google like it was cash to burn, finally got an email service she could actually trust. That’s what matters here.
Now, I get it—Proton’s not perfect, and yeah, they’re a business with their own quirks and maybe some shady stuff waiting to surface. But we need to stop blindly following one crappy post without doing our own homework.
And sure, I hate a lot about Trump (not to mention Musk, who I honestly think is even worse), but let’s be real: the alternative of having Kamala Harris at the helm could’ve been a total nightmare. When I imagine her running the world’s most powerful economy and military, I’m picturing a hot mess that would plunge everyone into chaos. You think you’re safe from one disastrous trainwreck, only to replace it with an even bigger one!
Trump is pure asshole material, and you could probably say that about 90% of his cabinet and most Republicans too. So yeah, if you just skim the last bit, you might think I’m a Trump supporter. But if you read the whole thing, you’ll see I’m simply saying that, given the choices, staying on this crazy rollercoaster was the lesser of two evils. We need to weigh the bigger picture rather than jump on every outrage train without doing any actual research.
It was a really stupidly worded comment on his part. If he meant Big Tech and Little Tech spwcifically rather than Big Business in general and individual people, his choice of words and the claim that the tables had “completely turned” are really unfortunate. Tagging the annoying orange directly also doesn’t help make this look like it’s about the pick, rather than the picker.
As an aside, forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm until I see her actually pull something through and not just end up another way to cripple ElMo’s competition.
The only thing I use my Google Account for is my TV. I haven’t logged into my gmail in years. And even that is a stretch. I use Jellyfin, and a sideloaded youtube client that doesn’t send anything back to Googs.
Where are you? From your comment, I’m sure you live in my house 🤣
Turned off by default in EEA, UK, Japan and Switzerland, for anyone interested (had to login to find out).
Anyone wondering what they have in common: EU (i know its not the same as EEA, there are countries like Iceland non-member of EU but part of EEA and they have their own GDPR through their own Private Act) has GDPR, Japan has APPI, UK has UK-GDPR, Switzerland has FADP
Whats intriguing is that Canada has DCIA and Brazil has LGPD and I don’t see it being mentioned to be turned off by default in either countries
buy a computer
put my data in there
computer computes my data too muchFUCK
in the Gmail app on Android and iOS devices
At least it isn’t my turn yet
Eat more AI! We’ve spent hundreds of billions of dollars on this fucking garbage, so EAT IT! Yeah! It’s in your email! It’s in your car! IT’S IN YOUR TEETH (launch date: Q2 2026)!
You jest, but I’ve already seen “AI-powered” toothbrushes on shelves. Let’s give even more health data to corporate giants!
FWIW I use Fastmail and it works great.
It’s so weird that we have to go through hoops and loops to get rid of this stuff! I was sick of my Android responding to a long press of the power button, meant to shut it down, with a Gemini prompt. Took me an hour to figure out I can’t get rid of the function, but I can switch back (for now) to old style Google Assistant.
If you have to force functionality down your users’ throat despite them not wanting it, you already lost. Gemini is Google’s Clippy, just less iconic and more also-ran.
If you have to force functionality down your users’ throat despite them not wanting it, you already lost.
As much as I’d like to think so, they’re not stupid, they know what they’re doing. They cram it in your face to make sure you know it’s there. And most people don’t care.
Unless I opt out of Gmail? Yep, already done.
Meh. I can’t find a good sub for YouTube and Gmail is my “uh oh did I mess up my email server back”.
I’ve been considering hush mail. I don’t like Europe. I’d rather move to Canadian
Canada isn’t going to be a safe bet in the long run. They have a reprieve for now but they always end up doing whatever America does just a few years later.
I’ll take my chances. I don’t have enough of a connection to Europe to put full trust in Europe. Maybe if the Netherlands wins euro 2025
