• Transporter Room 3@startrek.website
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    People like this deserve one thing only, but saying what they deserve will get you banned from some instances.

    I’ve got a friend who, thanks to close family of hers being a cop, is still unconvinced of cops status as bastards.

    It’s getting more and more frustrating listening to her justify why other cops don’t do anything about these kinds of cops. Still can’t accept the ones that do nothing are just as culpable. Accessories, in many cases.

    If I stand next to my buddy as he kicks a guy to death, I will be getting jail time too. Why not cops?

    This piece of shit deserved prison when he killed someone. His actions after the fact show he has no regard for human life and as such is a danger to others by simply being alive.

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      saying what they deserve

      Mob justice? I don’t condone violence. It would be better for the system to actually uphold the law. It won’t.

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        How do you expect any system to “uphold the law” without violence? Or are you just condoning police violence and not defense from police.

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          I was talking about what a mob of people might do to an asshole who ran someone over. I bought The End of Policing for multiple people because it advocates replacing police with socialist policies. I don’t know how you misinterpreted my intent, but I’m also not accusing you of anything. It’s early and I have to go to work soon.

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            Do those socialist policies not rely on defensive violence as well?

            I misinterpreted your intent because when someone says they “don’t condone violence” in the context of police brutality, it’s typically because they either

            • don’t consider the police to be violence, or

            • are literally pacifists.

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              Do those socialist policies not rely on defensive violence as well?

              Well, the idea to provide free housing rather than policing the unhoused certainly didn’t.

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                  The book stipulates that providing free housing would reduce crime committed by people who are unhoused. It also advocates for free health care for people and social workers for people who suffer from mental illness. Some will refuse treatment, as we already know. But not all. The book does not say that crime will end. It does make ten (I think) excellent points as a chapter each about failures of policing to address social problems. And it has damning statistics to back up the claims.

                  It’s ridiculous that the richest nation in human history refuses to spend money on people in need other than for the purposes of enforcement. Doing so is counterproductive and wastes more money than just helping people. That’s my take.

    • J'Pol @lemmy.sdf.org
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      When a sentient transporter room displays more wisdom than ~75% of politicians, it is more or less guaranteed that the country is fucked.

    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works
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      People like this deserve one thing only, but saying what they deserve will get you banned from some instances.

      As it should be. The strongest penalty for anyone should be life imprisonment. I don’t care if you’re literally a terrorist who has killed thousands of people, if you can be arrested without risking the lives of officers, you should face a maximum sentence of time in prison.

      That said, I agree with the rest of what you said. This cop should be in prison for a long time.

    • BlanketsWithSmallpox@lemmy.world
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      Because your analogy is terrible.

      It’s more like saying that one dude in your friend group from when you were in your twenties always tried to get in fights whenever you went out went on to murder someone one day without you being there or around. You’re now also blamed for the murder because you ran with him.

      Or even better, your older scumbag sibling murdered someone, or parent.

      The vast majority of these people aren’t even working together. They barely know who each other are in large departments.

      They also have one of the strongest unions in the USA coupled with institutional laws that protect them by default with little statistical tracking.

      Those aren’t issues where you blame people through proxy lol.

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        I think that analogy is worse. If my scumbag sibling killed someone and I didn’t say they were a scumbag and distance myself from them and instead defended them and enabled them to continue being a scumbag I damn well deserve others’ ire.

        This isn’t the one bad cop in America, this is just one of many whose colleagues enable and approve of their actions. Often defenders of these shitbags say, “it’s just one bad apple” but they forget the rest of the saying that one bad apple spoils the bunch. In this case, too, the people that should hold themselves to a higher standard as a group are the ones making themselves look shitty by not doing so.

        Not sure how people with family and friends of “decent cops” can defend them as a whole, particularly when most of them call on their cop friend or family member to help get them out of tickets. They’re just as bad (lol).

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          If my scumbag sibling killed someone and I didn’t say they were a scumbag and distance myself from them and instead defended them and enabled them to continue being a scumbag I damn well deserve others’ ire.

          You immediately got it wrong. You didn’t know they were scum. You maybe knew. You didn’t really know though. For the same reason mass murderers can be saints to their communities. Lying to people is easy to them. And most people are believing.

          Your sibling was completely normal. Maybe hot headed. It came out they killed someone. That’s it. You’re not going to toss them under the bus. In general you’ll wait because that’s your family unless someone knew better.

          You are officially defending them at that point according to you. No matter if he legally or morally got off or was culpable.

          It’s dumb. The entire ACAB stance is dumb just on its premise. Y’all too fucking gullible to Russian and Chinese propaganda lol.

  • AShadyRaven@lemmy.zip
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    I will NEVER condone vigilantism or street justice, because its a slippery slope into chaos as people start taking matter into their own hands, possibly harming innocent people just on suspicion of guilt

    Unrelated:

    heres his full name, birth year, badge number, every unit he’s been in, his date of hire, every write up hes had since 2011, and his current salary

    https://openoversight.tech-bloc-sea.dev/officers/354

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      its a slippery slope into chaos

      sounds exactly like what those gangs with badges are doing over there.

      if they only had any law enforcement in that poor country! then they could stop such crimes and start to build up civilisation instead.

      possibly harming innocent people

      that argument is way too weak, when “possibly” harming innocent is the alternative to “de-facto” harming innocent, that “possibly” is obviously the better choice then because there would still be a chance to NOT harm the innocent. get better arguments or remove crimes and criminals from law enforcement.

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        oh if you think i am defending cops then i have failed terribly at communicating the sarcasm and disdain in my tone lemme try again

        OH NOES

        PUBWIC OFFICIAWS NAMES AND UNIT NUMBERS ARE PUBWIC KNOWEDGE?

        I HOPE NOWOBODY USES THIS INFOWO TO DO CWIMES! nyaaa! :3

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      its crazy that they pay this man 88k a year and all he does is run over minorities and look stupid

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    AND their consent decree just ended! But remeber, the CHAZ was liberals trying to overthrow the government. Or something.

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    No, entirely believable. This is what being a cop is all about. You get to do whatever you want and murder whoever you want.

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      Wait a minute! That sounds like the stuff a president can do according to the supremes! No way a cop has the same power as a president! 🙀!

      Good thing the supremes are there for life to tell us what to do 💕

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      That’s just not true. Cops are not allowed to kill important people, like family of important politicians or rich people. There are limits on their power.

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    See, this is a perfect example why “defund the police” is a stupid idea.

    In America the police already have shit funding. That’s why you have these untrained, unprofessional idiots running around. You have an incredibly low standard for law enforcement and you want to make the standard even lower.

    I mean, for fuck sake, there was a story where an American dude couldn’t become a police man because he scored too high on his intelligence test!

    Just look at any other modern, civilised country and you’ll see how much of a joke American law enforcement is. Then look at how much training police get.

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      It’s accountability. If cops had to face charges for committing crimes while in uniform, we’d be seeing a lot fewer of these bad cop stories.

      There might be issues with training, but the accountability gap has to be closed first. You can have the best training in the world, but it doesn’t do any good when there aren’t any consequences to ignoring the training.

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      The police get plenty of money

      They just choose to spend it on surplus military gear and vehicles instead of training their cops.

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      defund the buying of crazy gear and fund the training of officers. good training, not fantasy camp rambo that some go through

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          It’s better to spread them out so they aren’t all on one instance. Also the .world admins I’ve heard have some issues. I have had no issue with them and don’t remember what the complaints were though. Regardless, one instance should not be the crux of the entire platform. If they were to go down and turn bad then we’d end up with a Reddit issue again.