Hi there.
I’m a bit cross about allowing or not to allow linking to the website archives.
For the time being, and while we discuss about it among the mods, I’d like to ask you to refrain from posting any link to said archive.
If we decide to allow it, I’ll restore the comments containing said links I’ve removed.Thank you for your understanding.
Saying you’re cross usually means angry.
Oh, my bad 😂
I meant that I was hesitant.
As you can see, English is not my main language.
Two Irish nuns were sitting in their car at a traffic light when a bunch of rowdy drunks pulled up alongside.
“Hey, show us your tits you bloody penguins!” shouted one of the drunks.
The Mother Superior turns to Sister Margaret and says “I don’t think they know who we are. Show them your cross!”
So Sister Margaret rolls down her window and shouts, “Sod off you little fucking wankers before I get out and rip your goddam balls off!”
Sister Margaret looks back at the Mother Superior and asks, “Was that cross enough?”.
From what I see in the archive link I posted, it only contains patches, not playable games, neither original nor patched. You need a copy of the game already to make any use of it.
I’ll take a look tomorrow. I’m UTC+2 (I just can’t sleep right now 😅), so I’m not yet in the required state of mind to go and check all of that.
That’s correct. The entire archive is only about 12GB; it couldn’t possibly contain the full games.
You don’t need to have the full game to be considered as piracy. Anything allowing to break a DRM could be considered as such.
The site hosts files in the IPS format which only contain 100% original code and don’t in any circumstances I’m aware of break DRM. These old games are comparatively small and written in assembly language so these are small files that get merged with a text editor that add additional code to otherwise existing ROM files, which may or may not be illegally obtained.
Warning US only: They are often said to be covered under fair use but I am not certain that is true, I would assert they would be fully copyright to the author of the IPS file and whatever license they released their code under. The fact that their code isn’t complete isn’t relevant and it wouldn’t even be considered a commentary or derivative (both types of either fair use or granted license) as none of the original content is present. An example I can think of related to this in market would be “Riff Trax” which are audio tracks released by several comedians who used to perform on Mystery Science Theater 3000. They give a full commentary on a movie but contain none of the original material, it is on you to press play at a specific time during the movie so the commentary track aligns with the film. There are no references I can find in the case law to anything like “rom hacks” for what its worth so I would say this is extremely low risk in my professional opinion, but I do not want to dox myself and present credentials so ymmv.
Thank you for taking the time to share your expertise.
In the EU, things are a bit different. US Fair Use is quite open ended, with a lot of room for interpretation. In the case of EU copyright laws, the list of exclusions is explicitly listed in Information Society Directive Article 5.
In my opinion this could fall into either art. 5.3(d), art. 5.3(i), or art. 5.3(k), but I’m no copyright law specialist. I do have one among my friends, but she kinda got a child last week, I’m not gonna bother her for that 😅.I read through the list, there is no way that IPS patches in this context are a violation. None of the original material is used or even referenced in the IPS patches, thus they can not belong ROM files copyright holder. They are collections of assembly code without any of the original material contained within.
First, please take into consideration that lemmy.world website and organisation is bound to EU laws (as stated in the TOS). As such, in the current case the EU copyright laws, that are as previously stated, far more restrictive than the US ones.
As you stated, the objective of ROM patches is to modify copyrighted material. One of the right protected by copyright in the EU is the right to modify a software.
By default, if no licence is given, software is considered as being under the most restrictive licence available (even if the source code is freely available), which means, in this case, an “all rights reserved” licence, which prohibit software modification.
In the EU, third party patches are considered as derivative works, and requires an explicit authorisation from the copyright holder to be published and used on copyrighted material. Some exceptions exists, as previously stated, but applying them here would be quite far fetched.
For now, and while I keep researching on the application of EU copyright laws to try to find a flaw that would allow me to authorize those links, I’ll have to keep those links removed.
The comments would be restored if the link are removed by the comment authors.
If it’s a romhacking site, it wont have the actual ROMs, just the patches. It never would have survived 20 years if it had been hosting ROMs.
You got a good point here. I’ll take that into consideration.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
Such a shame…
Here’s Gideon Zhi’s response and a little explanation, from his side anyway, of what has actually happened.
If you’re not familiar, he runs Aeon Genesis, one of the longest, if not the longest, running translation groups.
after some further research, it became apparent that Discord staff could save a significant amount of money by changing S3 providers. The new bucket was set up, but when the time came to make the change NC refused to do it, even though he was not the one footing the bill.
There’s a conspicuous absence of explaining why they wouldn’t do it. What were their actual concerns? Did they not voice them or are they just being withheld?
NC refused to join the Discord to talk about solutions in real-time.
Why was this a requirement?
Did we vent in private? Sure.
And what did you say?
Did we dox or threaten? Fucking hell, no! And frankly I’m LIVID at even the suggestion that we did.
Well something clearly happened if his family was brought into it, so if you’re going to skimp on the details, I’m not sure how I’m supposed to believe that.
The whole thing just comes back to the larger issue with discord: the record vanishes.
Yeesh, I’ve never used the website but that NightCrawler person seems like they have some serious control problems. The fact that the whole community was willing to chip in/pay for it and take it over and the admin still refused to cooperate is pretty shitty. At least it looks like someone managed to convince the admin to let them host and takeover the site’s wiki.
This is oddly common in ROM hacking/mod scenes. There’s been no shortage of drama in the Fire Emblem and Final Fantasy Tactics communities, too.
At the very least I wish people would consider the bus test once a site/project gets to a certain critical mass. Insane to me that a site with this kind of profile never had coverage for that scenario this entire time.
I really hope that tcrf doesn’t take over. I STILL can’t contribute to that website because it requires you to sign up for Discord and agree to Discord’s ToS just to paste some stupid code into their bot.
Wait are you talking cutting room? I had no idea they did that. Very weird for a site that’s just copying Wikipedia.
Copying Wikipedia? Where did you get that from? They have loads of content, including stuff like text dumps, that you’d never see on Wikipedia.
I mean the format, it’s a generic wiki formatting. Not referring to the actual content. The content they have is awesome.
Yes, the software that runs the site is Mediawiki, same one that runs Wikipedia and others. Sites can add their own registration requirements.
I thought it was NOT shutting down and is instead turning into 100% a news site only?
Yeah, WTF?
Functionally speaking the distinction is negligible. Users won’t be able to download patches from the site, and new patch submissions won’t be accepted.
People also used RHDN as a news source to find out about new hacks and translation releases, and it was the best resource for doing that. And it sounds like it still will be going forward, so… I disagree with you on that.
Quick link to the archive: https://archive.org/details/romhacking.net-20240801
RetroAchievements has also been archiving patches for a little while but not everything, and discoverability is not great (I was using RomHacking to learn more about the patches)
Wtf no
Nooooo!!!
One of the last Web 1.0 bastions in gaming. Really hate to see this, especially when Discord is around the peak of its popularity right now. Here’s hoping a more future-proof alternative than that arises.
A lot of internet gardens are dying these days…
