cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/30934764
The “privacy-first” company surprised its user base when CEO Andy Yen lauded Trump on social media.
Check out www.posteo.de.
I’m in a pickle. Got proton and my own domain for email so I would be able to make an easy switch… but now I have masked emails for dozens if not hundreds of account logins.
“while spewing right wing propaganda”
FTFY
The fact that a privacy company based in a non five eyes country is even praising a government - especially one like the US - is a red flag.
Nevermind the fact that they claim Republicans are anti big tech while being surrounded by tech CEOs…
I may be too Roman, but I will never trust a Swiss.
I believe them. They’ll praise whomever is in power. Neutral opportunists.
That’s not a good thing though.
Correct. It’s bad, whether the Dems or the GOP are in power. It’s not suddenly bad now.
Capitalism -> Fascism
Cancelled my Proton subscription citing this as the reason. Hope others do the same. This administration is not normal and relations should never be normalized with them.
Yep, did the same. Started using Tuta for email, solid privacy and UI, app available on F-Droid, and the bonus for me was them being powered by renewables.
The language in the tweet was telling, i.e party of the “little guys” and tagging the president for visibility. You can’t turn a blind eye to all the other destabilizing things this admin is doing just because they made 1 semi-competent cabinet pick (which should be the baseline expectation).
Planning to do the same, but first I have to find an alternative for my mail, probably I will try a self hosted mail server for a while
So… we are going to police people’s thoughts now ?
Official company announcement, not only personal one.
Proton has position itself as a service for those who want to avoid big tech spying on them and unfair government prosecution. It is then very charring that they officially support a party that is trying to go out of their way to reduce women/lgbtq rights and invited the whole cabal of big tech as guests of honor to the innaguration.
If their mission and their messages do not align, it’s normal that customers are concerned.
I would be concerned of they officially supported any other party, but this case is specially outrageous.
Be a bit practical here people, Imagine the right-wingers saying “Oh no, he donated to left wingers, reeeeeeeee”
This might be sarcasm right? They went full reeee with Nike, Gillette, Budweiser, Costco…
They did now, didn’t they, I’m simply gonna wait until Trump in his magnificent stupidity tries sanctioning Proton
Let’s see Andy come out of that
Nah… Much better to take the pitchforks out for every little shit one reads in the internet and pretend to be a good guy to accumulate fake internet points.
Sounds like a good plan
Really, the stupidity of some netizens on these daily “scandals” is astounding. It’s like they’re always looking for something/someone to be upset about. People, nobody cares which service/browser/whatever you use, so no need to announce everywhere that you’re leaving. Just leave.
For instance: https://lemm.ee/post/53975606
LOL, jusk ask for alternative, man. No need to put a story behind that.
This is what a kleptocratic oligarchy looks like folks. Suck up to the big man and he’ll let you fleece the joint.
“Until corporate Dems are thrown out, the reality is that Republicans remain more likely to tackle Big Tech abuses.”
I don’t believe that they haven’t heard of Lina Khan.
I’m sure Elon Mush will get rid on that, though.
They did, they even worked together in the past.
Quote for those who don’t want to reddit.
Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I’ve discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/
Edit: I see someone else already posted it. I will leave it here even if it’s a duplicate for future self-shame.
Yes, big fan of Lina Khan, I worked with her in 2020 on the House report on antitrust (the House was controlled by Democrats back then). I’ve discussed this elsewhere, but certain events in 2022 made it very clear that further progress on antitrust was unlikely under Democratic leadership. You can read more about the backstory here: https://time.com/6243256/schumer-kills-antitrust-big-tech-bills/
- proton ceo ( https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1i2nz9v/on_politics_and_proton_a_message_from_andy/m7psmzx/ )
his reddit account is pretry active if you want to read bad takes
Problem is, she was lobbying Sony so hard that her corruption was clearly seen by everyone, she fought tooth and nail so Microsoft wouldn’t buy call of duty, and was saying that microsoft gaming department will become a monopoly, and… You see a monopoly out there? Microsoft gaming department is a giant flop even with call of duty, of what monopoly she was telling then?
Microsoft gaming department is a giant flop even with call of duty, of what monopoly she was telling then?
Cloud gaming? Duopoly and oligopoly (see healthcare) being also anticompetitive? Look, of course Sony also opposed to merger because it was a competitor. Every antitrust lawsuit is bound to attract some of them. I dunno what you’re going off on here.
Geforce now exist tho, and my point is, Microsoft is a huge slop, they were half dead even then, lisa khan and sony destroyed competition in name of antimonopoly when sony was already dominating even before that and now we have 800$ ps5 pro and everything, my beef is, if she was a antimonopoly representative, then she should prevent monopoly from happening, and sony IS a monopoly in AAA console space thanks to her, i mean, even duopoly is better than complete dominance of one of the players on market, look up amd nvidia duopoly and how it became when nvidia became monopoly, 5090 for 3000$ oh holy fuck, give us at least SOME competition, I don’t even dare to ask about PROPER competition because market came to monopolies already
Sorry, I meant online services integrating with gaming in general.
destroyed competition in name of antimonopoly when sony was already dominating even before that
hell naw. look at xbox live. i think you have a very skewed view of MS’s market position. think about the logistics required to pull MS Flight Simulator (2020) off.
800$ ps5
it’s $700, and relatively nobody is buying that thing. plus how is buying activision blizzard gonna help console competition?
sony IS a monopoly in AAA console space
compare the sales or just ask the gaming sub
give us at least SOME competition, I don’t even dare to ask about PROPER competition because market came to monopolies already
does radeon not exist? you don’t happen to train AI models do you?
I agree with most of your points except, i didn’t even heard of training ai without cuda, i know it’s possible, but it’s far from popular as i see, second, Microsoft is a dead horse and it’s understandable, but it could do some competition, not proper one but some, most of the community including ftc wished Microsoft gaming department too step down, and i would be all in if alternative in AAA gaming was opensource as Linux, but alternative is corporate monopoly, same with AMD GPUs this time, they flopped hard due to 5070, and my main point still stands, i don’t want a complete monopoly even if competition is on life support it should still exist
my point was you were making unsubstantiated assertions on markets that are just wrong. you addressed none of that
Microsoft is a dead horse
prove it
same with AMD GPUs this time
prove it
Eww I stepped in shit
Well good thing I just switched to mxroute
MXroute doesn’t cater to users who require end-to-end encryption, advanced privacy features, or those who need built-in security measures beyond standard email protocols, as it’s primarily focused on reliable email delivery and hosting rather than security-first communication.
Tuta would be a viable alternative to Proton.
security measures beyond standard email protocols
Doesn’t exist. The only security you can have is if you use OpenPGP. Everything else is marketing and lies.
Agreed. I also notice proton stores your gpg keys in the cloud, unlocked by your account password.
No they don’t, but I never switched to proton for that. I switched to proton to get away from iCloud. I also never loved the idea of them keeping my gpg key in the cloud, I can just as easily do e2e with mxroute in a more secure way
+1 to mxroute for anyone thinking about it.
Been using it for a while (and worked with the guy who runs it) and it’s been pretty much perfect.
“We’re not liberal or conservative, we’re a secret third thing!(conservative)”
They’re swiss.
We have more parties in our equivalent of the presidential office than you have parties in total.
I have huge problems with this notion that you have to be either democrat or conservative. They don’t even cover 50% of the opinions I, a green-liberal (actual liberal, not US-definition), hold.
You’re absolutely able and allowed to have your own opinion different from what any party official says.
They were commenting on American politics though. Swiss parties are irrelevant. Supporting Trump is a crazy position no matter what your national is or what parties exist in that country.
Saying someone is swiss isnt the defense you want it to be considering that the swiss helped harbor nazi wealth.
Holy non-sequitur
We are in a thread about businesses supporting Nazis.
That’s not a counterargument lmao are you serious?
When commenting on US politics, they should be aware of US political realities though. When taking position relative to US politics, they should be aware of that. At the very least, they should comment that they’re progressive or something along the lines of “Our political orientation isn’t represented in US politics” to acknowledge that, like you did.
But when your CEO endorses Republicans, pretending you’re neutral isn’t a good look.
Don’t forget, Swiss Neutrality is the special kind of neutrality that lets them store gold bullion made from Jewish tooth fillings.
Yes but swiss people can still be absolutely piece of shit human beings. They proved that in WWII by helping fund the Nazis directly. Swiss people also aren’t immune from rampant US party propaganda. You aren’t magical, psychologically different humans than the rest of the world.
Publicly supporting an openly fascist dictator, whatever “political party” they are on, someone who directly opposes the stated mission and values of the company, means that they are piece of shit humans who cannot be trusted with our data because they will just lie with what they do with it just like how they lied to us about their company values.
I have a huge problem with parties period. Parties inhibit critical thinking. And I’m an American. And I don’t want this. Eat the rich!
They vote for whoever helps them get paid the most.
Capitalist.
Check my comment history…
I said this before:
fucking stop putting all your eggs in one basket, folks
Mix and match ftw…
This is not a deal breaker for me but if they keep this up, I will stop using them. And it just one service, so I can easily do it, assholes.
This is not a deal breaker for me
Absolutely disgusting.
the CEO of a company I use for emails expressed a questionable opinion on antitrust issue
it’s not deal breaker for me
absolutely disgusting
If this is absolutely disgusting for you, I guess you have really, really, really high standards, that probably nobody can meet.
Not being ok with a rapist insurrectionist grifter felon being in charge of the country is too high a standard?
🖕
Expressing support for a specific person picked, in a specific and narrow context = being OK with etc…? Also, it’s not his country either (like is not mine). As an external observer does it mean that if Trump will do anything (anything at all) that I agree with, even for the broken clock theory, I need to lobotomize myself and not say it, otherwise I am OK with a rapist insurrectionist grifter felon etc. etc.?
Are you ok? Do you need an adult?
No, I can read sentences in context, and I learned that the world has 3 dismensions quite early. Maybe it was because I lived in a country with a public school system that works (more or less).
Anyway, a cult is a cult, and I feel I have nothing to gain from this interaction. Cya.
I mean company backs pro-company party isn’t exactly surprising. You want to not shop at every company that supports Republicans? You’re going to have a hard time finding anywhere to shop in most of the US. Gotta stick to smaller companies, and if you get small enough you’ll get to mom and pop locations where personal votes are the comparison and they’ve voted Republican their entire lives.
there’s an entire continuum of political support, and you can choose to draw a line anywhere on it. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to draw that line at outright public endorsement, particularly now with Trump in office.
People are reactionaries by nature, they don’t think shit through until they get fucked enough to learn or they die, which ever comes first.
Can’t fight them all…
But I don’t disagree, good sir
