If people moving from one corpo owned platform to another corpo owned platform gives you hope for the future of the internet: You haven’t been paying attention to the history of the internet at all.
Once they have critical mass, the enshittification for profit will begin a new.
At least it theoretically has account portability…but yes, I fear people are setting themselves up to be enshittified again, as Cory Doctorow has brought up
I think this time it actually has some teeth to it, even big famous artists like Lack are on blue sky now, my feed is looking pretty good daily now where before I had to wait a few days before checking it out.
A lot of the big accounts I follow have been reporting a huge loss in followers on Twitter and an even larger influx of followers on Bluesky.
Why?
The internet at large is still a cesspool.
The only difference is who is in control of it.
Community is and always has been important. The key is and airways has been your ability to effectively curate your community. It is a cesspool if and only if you lack that ability
I hope some of them come to the Fediverse. It’s nice that only the curious ones will come.
I think the smartest ones will. Really I don’t mind a smart intelligent community like this one.
quite the opposite for me. bluesky is a centralized platform owned by capital exactly like twitter, thus prone to the same issues.
migrating to bluesky instead of mastodon will just delay the problem.
Bluesky actually has content though. Unless all you want is linux and news.
chicken and egg kinda problem
Its open source isn’t it? It still has the same problems but on a privacy level, having it be open source is much better.
reddit was open source as well.
was
People are leaving Muskrats fascist supporting platform. So what if they aren’t going to Mastedon, they’re leaving Twitter. Isn’t that enough for us?
I don’t need Mastedon to win. I just want Twitter to lose. Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse and the idea of a non-corpo platform.
But it terms of main stream casual appeal, Mastedon still doesn’t have it yet, and that’s okay.
Mastedon needs to get more casual with the introduction to the Fediverse because for everyday non-tech people, it can be a little confusing.
People see Bluesky as the Twitter replacement because of its simplicity.
Well said. Maybe there’s more to do in the hardware, software and general computing training such that the layman could safely deploy their own Website like we used to be able to do. Then everyone could have their own servers at home like some of us do. True decentralized communication.
Lemmy would be great for dare I say it…church congregations for example. Schools, mechanic forums, unofficial student associations like alpha Kapa whatever. ETC. it’s a momentous opportunity.
Once Twitter has been (hopefully) de-platformed we can talk about Mastedon and the Fediverse and the idea of a non-corpo platform.
BlueSky is as prone to enshittification as Twitter. If you’re waiting for BlueSky to take off, you’re just setting yourself up for the next rug pull.
I mean, go to BS and enjoy it while it lasts. But don’t think this is the future.
They’re leaving Musk, but they’re not leaving his financial backers, and they’re entering into the same kind of “possibly sold to a fascist despot at a moment’s notice” situation they just left.
It’s short sighted, perfirmative, and doesn’t actually make the Internet better at all. It just tells us that people prefer a closed Internet owned by billionaires.
Maybe these people need to feel the cycle first hand a few more times and that’s okay. ActivityPub will be even stronger when it comes around again.
Yeah, what’s stopping the richest guy in the world just buying blue-sky as well?
Nothing, and it’s already run by web3 folk
The wrong migration to IMHO…
Bluesky is run by the founder of twitter, which took far too long to ban Trump the first time round. I don’t know why so many people are giving him another chance to do the same shit again.
Jack Dorsey no longer has anything to do with Bluesky. https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/05/jack-dorsey-says-hes-no-longer-on-the-bluesky-board/
Oh. Good.
That decentralized and self-hostable platforms like Lemmy are fringe does not give me hope for the future of social networks on the Internet.
They don’t have to have everyone on them to be good. In some ways it’s preferable not to. Reddit was far better before the Digg migration, and we might already be living in the golden years of Lemmy and not even realize it.
I don’t know, Reddit also has more niche communities that just don’t have enough people in platforms like Lemmy.
It’s true, that’s the advantage of a larger user base. But when I compare my homepage of Reddit after 15 years of refinement to that of my lemmy homepage after 1 year, my lemmy one is way better. Most of those niche communities devolve into memes and nonsense like the same questions being asked over and over and over again after a while. Great for searching, but for actually getting content on a regular basis from, mostly a waste of time.
This is true, it’s like other platforms that value content creation rather than value, so people keep repeating the same thing. I haven’t worked as a moderator ever so I don’t know what’s possible or impossible, but I think many of these problems are a result of poor moderation though.
Sometimes moderation needs to be a bit unpopular to have the community work in some way.
Bluesky is not great, but it’s at least (for now) a better platform than X and the AT protocol is actually very well written. (For instance having a moderation service separated from the service that provides the posts I think is a hands-down better way to handle it than most ActivityPub servers having their admins handle all incoming and outgoing moderation)
Bluesky federation is just now getting started so it’ll be interesting to see if it goes anywhere/where it goes.
Now left-wing has their own echo chamber, hurray
Now normal people have a microblogging platform where they aren’t constantly having fascist propaganda shoved down their throats.
fascist propaganda shoved down their throats
I’v seen more left propaganda on Reddit and Twitter, and people who can’t handle other perspectives calling you fascist just because how you marked a ballot.
People are not leaving twitter because of “fascism”, they are leaving twitter because they have zero tolerance to other perspectives, they think their vote is the right one, and they are the smarter ones. An echo chamber by definition.
Everything I see on Reddit is people getting downvoted and banned just for saying: “My husband is a republican, but a ballot doesn’t define you as a person and he loves and respects me as much as I do”
Wish they would go to Mastodon, even Threads which is on the fediverse.
How does another social media ruled by a billionaire gives hope?
Because it shows that a sizable amount of people are at least anti-nazi enough to move platform.
Yes, it would be nicer if they moved to mastodon, but nobody even knows what that is, nobody is there (classic chicken and egg problem), and people get confused by the whole “choose an instance/server” thing.
Is it not ok to have a small celebration of people moving to a better, more positive platform, even if it is far from perfect?
Shame that it’s another Capital-owned platform taking the spotlight. I’m not surprised unfortunately. We’ll be in the same place we are now in 10 years.
I’m preaching to the choir, but mastodon is the better platform if you want more authentic community and conversation.
Chances are that any new large commercial platform will enshittify, sooner or later prompting another exodus, and each exodus will at least have some people choosing a community platform.
Lemmy does not understand that people are leaving X cuz of Nazis, not cuz it’s a centralized corpo platform.
To a platform that has been on the record about not kicking ouy Nazis, though.
Elon turned it into his own personal Nazi blog where people can’t block him.
Pretty sure a significant portion of nazis are also moving to bluesky
But on Bluesky you don’t get them shoved in your face and there is culture of just blocking Nazis and moving on.
Ignoring the Nazis in the room, rather than barring them from entey, is enabling Nazis
They aren’t being ignored. Bluesky has real moderation, they are being banned.
If no one gives the Nazi an audience they will go away eventually.
There were Nazis on X for years before this. They’re leaving because Trump won.
