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Sigh, that was an eye-opening depresing read… thanks for sharing!
What is TPOT
The author explains in the thread and has links to further info.
Somehow that avoids everything that actually makes TPOT TPOT to me (except the links to Rationalism and EA, but then you have to be aware of those).
Like the (scientific) racism.
Ha ha ha, yeah, sure. Bluesky won’t defeat xitter, at best it’ll just be the “next thing” once xitter finally finishes getting rid of most of its users, which I guess will take more than 4 years from now.
I don’t understand how those two things are distinct.
I guess they don’t consider it bluesky defeating twitter if twitter is commiting suicide. Sounds like pedantry to me.
He on that “reddit didn’t kill Digg, Digg killed Digg” mindset.
For reference: https://d3.harvard.edu/platform-digit/submission/the-demise-of-digg-how-an-online-giant-lost-control-of-the-digital-crowd/
The key factor in Digg’s demise was a flawed design that was too easily abused by users. Digg had no controls over user verification, so individuals could game the system by creating multiple accounts to artificially inflate the number of votes for their own content. Because Digg displayed content in order of popularity, most visitors saw and voted only on content that was already popular. This system created a vicious cycle in which a small number of dedicated users could push their own content to the front page and thereby gain more followers, allowing them to more easily repeat the process. As Digg grew, so too did its problems related to power-hungry users cheating and gaining undue influence over content.
Sounds like the same problem that every centralized social media ecosystem suffers from. The big difference between Digg and Reddit was that Reddit successfully monetized the “push me to the front of the queue” algorithm rather than engineering around it.
Digg did commit suicide. I was there for it.
The Digg bar is why I stopped using Digg
The great thing about BlueSky is how under-the-radar its flown for the last few years. Virtually no advertising. No legions of bot accounts spamming with invites and generic attention baiting posts. No |>u33y N |3io blowing up my mentions. No enshittification, because its just a primitive clone of the original Bird Site.
The more popular it gets, the less likely that’ll last. BlueSky won’t defeat Twitter until it becomes Twitter.
It will almost certainly become Twitter as it was created by the Twitter founder. The only difference being that it will become the Twitter from before Musk took over. Which is a massive difference.
It’s worse than that.
Blockchain Capital LLC was co-founded by Steve Bannon pal Brock Pierce, a major crypto advocate, perennial presidential candidate, and close friend of Eric Adams. Pierce has dozens of other shady MAGA/Russia ties as well.
https://toad.social/@davetroy/113476797192400901
Dorsey’s already out, the people running the project are from the TESCREAL gang.
The only difference being that it will become the Twitter from before Musk took over.
Dorsey is just as emotionally stunted and socially reactionary as Musk. He simply isn’t as wealthy.
BlueSky has thrived not because Dorsey crafted it into a purer vision, but because he’s neglected it and allowed the user base to have their way.
I never liked Twitter to begin with so I’m not one to defend him. My preferred one is Mastodon, but generally I don’t like the format to begin with. At any rate, I’ll still take pre-musk Twitter over Xitter any day.
Things were better before they got worse, sure.
But the problem in these systems is the trade off between centralization (consolidated control and monolithic content) and federation (poor navigation/petty administrative feuds/less quality content). Switching from Twitter to BlueSky relieves you from the current admin’s fuckups, but you’re still stuck in a flawed system.
I fully agree. When I feel like using a Twitter like platform (which is exceedingly rare), I use Mastodon
My issue with BS is it took VC money from crypto bros.
What do we think will happen when they come looking for their returns on investment?
It’ll only defeat X if corporations and specifically media and sports entities start using it.
Even if it did, Musk would just buy it.
it isn’t necessarily for sale at the moment
Even if it were for sale, it’s designed to be decentralized so you couldn’t buy the whole network, just like you can’t buy all of Lemmy or Mastodon. That’s the theory anyways - I don’t think they’ve really executed on it yet.
Put enough zeros on the end of a check and it will be.
I’ve started removing trash sites. I blocked twatter and reddit at my router.
Oh no, fascists won the election! Oh no, Musk is a fascist! We need to leave X! Where should we go? Mastodon? Too complicated! BS, which is financed by fascists? Count me in! 😭
im out of the loop. who are the faccists that financed bluesky?
They’re probably referring to the fact it was founded by Jack Dorsey, who has since abandoned it because the other people in charge refused to let it be as bat-guano as he wanted.
Ironically, he left Twitter for the same reason. Bluesky was supposed to be his own version, in his image, and yet rational minds prevailed there at pretty much the same time Musk started pushing Twitter in the direction Dorsey had wanted all along.
Tech journalists never learn anything from history. No Vc-funded social media is good
Most humans seem incapable of understanding why decentralization of power matters.
Mastodon should revamp the project’s website homepage and promote a mobile apps with the closest Twitter-like feel or maybe a page for it without giving too many options (so people trying to promote it would share the link and people who aren’t familiar with federation not think its weird “non-official” websites promoting multiple apps), these people just want convenience and most are mobile users. I wish most would go to Mastodon but there are so many barries going from something quick and convenient like Twitter to something like a Fediverse social media, I think Pixelfed catches this issue better of looking closer to what people are used to (in their case, an alternative to Instagram) than Mastodon (alternative to Twitter)
The default iPhone app and sign-up process for the main instance is pretty darn straight-forward. I’ve never been a Twitter guy so I can’t speak to functionality, but it seems fine to me already.
Some VC funded social media is certainly less fascist than other VC funded social media.
Given everything we’ve seen over theast little while, including the process of non-profits getting taken over by their VC funded subsidiaries; that difference you see is almost certainly a matter of being at a different point in their respective profit timelines.
Please, let’s not do this. Lets just enjoy sites that aren’t toxic without making them toxic by written articles with headlines like this.
Ehhh on bsky there are curated blocklist and you can mute words…and it actually works, like twitter before the takeover.
What you need to win the battle is to clone twitter before they changed the timeline to use the algorithm.
X will likely merge with TruthSocial as the defacto Conservative/Right-wing social media site (named something dumb like “XTruthXSocialX”), while BlueSky will become the defacto Liberal social media site.
Can you imagine taking X (formerly Twitter) public again with a merger with $DJT? Holy smokes.
Don’t jinx it.
Especially not if they somehow coincidentally get some government funding.
I think I used to play Halo 3 with that guy
Oh yea, he never turned off his mic. Pretty sure I heard his mom come down with tang and Oreos and he cussed her out
His mom has pretty good tang though 👀👀
That would be great - much better than the current situation where twitter is run like a right-wing site but still has people from across the political spectrum hanging out there due to inertia.
I just hope federal services (like applying for a passport) don’t become Twitter-only after Trump appoints Elon as Secretary of Enshittification.
Oof. Poor Americans. The 4 year shit show you’re going to have to put up with.
4 years if laws and constitution stay the same and are followed… first term he had people alienated into him who were at least slightly appropriated for their positions, this time people who has nothing to do with their positions are being appointed simply for being loyal to him… Let’s see if any of them won’t let him do anything drastic within 4 YEARS
Thing is, mate…fascists rarely stay inside their boarders. This is going to be the whole world’s problem in about 3 months.
international us policy is very similar between republicans and democrats. you guys are already the whole worlds problem. 🌍🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
im sorry but trump will be your problem. until the empire decides to turn up the violence dial again that is, which is something both parties do sometimes.
Maybe for the rest of our lives, however long that is…
upside: maybe fashism will kill us all before climate does? yay?
With the fascist in power they’re going to speed up the climate destruction
So maybe the fascist will kill us with the climate
yay?
I’m glad you guys are looking at the bright side of life 😊
🎶 Always look at the bright side of life… 🎶
Tell me about it.
I’d rather eat rats and survive inside a hole in the ground in 45⁰C weather than die in a war, but that’s just me.
Hey, no eating cute rats
Cute rats are more delicious because they are healthier!
Trump wants adulation, not conquest. Push come to shove you can get him out of the oval office by making him figurehead Emperor, as long as it comes with immunity he’ll accept.
On a scale of Mussolini to Hitler, he’s like 250% towards Mussolini.
Cute that you think it’ll only last for 4 years.
Nah, most people are going to live their lives and see absolutely no effect from anything done. No single administration has the ability to totally fuck up the country in the amount of time they have. That’s why you get the big swings back and forth between the two parties. Also, the news is very good at sensationalizing absolutely everything and making you think that, oh my god, it’s the end of the fucking world. What are we going to do? Run around like chickens screaming with our heads cut off and shit.
People seem to be down voting you…but Trump was already elected before and quickly became irrelevant after his 4 years.
He ruined plenty of people’s lives in that time, but he came and went before and one day he’ll be out of office again. The world goes on.
Well, except for the people that are dead from his actions. For example, the ~461,000 people who died from COVID due to him making every wrong decision. For those people, it doesn’t go on. Because they’re dead.
Trump was already elected before and quickly became irrelevant after his 4 years.
And who is going to be the next US President?
And who is nominating a Russian asset to be DNI?
And who is nominating a child sex trafficker to be AG?
And who is likely to nominate an antivax, anti-science lunatic with brain worms to head the dept of Health and Human Services?
And who is planning to eliminate the department of education and NOAA?
Previous administrations have done damage through incompetence and/or malice, but the plan this time is on another level. They’re going in with the goal of breaking everything.
Donna and chevron would disagree with your claim of “irrelevant”. You might not be aware, but that’s not the same thing…
We know that Ukraine will be betrayed by the Trump government. A Russian victory will embolden Russia to further threaten Europe. This will also embolden China and other authoritarian states.
We also know a Trump government will stop climate action. Unfortunately, this will also signal to many other governments that they can do the same.
We also know that immense cruelties will be perpetrated such as the family separation policy of the 1st Trump presidency
But yes, if you are white, straight and middle class or rich, you’ll be able to think all is OK until such time as the authoritarian ascendancy led by China and Russia affects your own life, which might be a decade or more away.
How many people do you think would be affected by his deportation policies? I’ve heard a number of around 10 million, and that’s 3% of the population, which, while absolutely terrible, means that the other 97% isn’t going to really care.
“Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of ignorance astounds me.” – Ren Höek
Those 3% (going by your math):
Pick crops
Contribute $90 billion or more in tax for the county via sales tax.
Without those people, we have no food, and immediate inflation begins. You know, the thing everyone was bitching about that was literally caused by Trumps inaction on COVID.
This affects EVERYONE in the US.
Not to mention that the construction industry- particularly housing- just stops.
I did just get a roof put on my house. Small, local business. All the office people were white, the work crew was 100% Hispanic with one bilingual guy who front manned communication. Idk how many were work visa, but given the number of serious injuries I’ve seen from work visas falling off roofs while doing construction and such while at work, it’s not just one company.
And before you go down the path of “they’re taking ‘our’ jobs” remember that there is a shortage of skilled labor and trades right now.
Also, if a company can pay at or near minimum wage for rappelling up the side of house, would you accept that wage given the liability/injury threat?
Housing prices go up in reaction to losing cheap labor, I guarantee it.
Food prices will go up, not down. I think everyone cares about food prices right now.
I’m not just talking about outdoor crop picking work. A friend was laid off from a food production company this week and Trumps not even sworn in yet. You can’t make this stuff up it’s so ridiculous. So, anticipate job losses for non immigrants as well.
2/3 of the factory line is Hispanic, and the majority of that is rotating work visa people. In this way, you can pay much lower wages.
Part of it was tariff threat, no one would place orders, everyone’s on hold on the production/supply/buyer chain, waiting for January, so the income of the business dropped to zero this week and is projected to stay there through January. Again, this is food production, not bread or flour, or anything basic like that, but it’s still food.
So, with no income and the threat of loss of cheap production labor, all the American citizens were laid off this week. Whether or not the business will eventually declare bankruptcy is undecided, but that talk is definitely on the table.
I know the last time he was in office his immigration policies made it impossible for some people families to come over. I worked with a couple people struggling with that.
Reagan.
Rotflmao, you didn’t read project 2025 🤣
No single administration has the ability to totally fuck up the country in the amount of time they have.
Trump: “Hold my Diet Coke”.
No single administration has the ability to totally fuck up the country in the amount of time they have.
Women in need of reproductive health services in red states would like a word.
If you think this is the only reproductive healthcare that people are dying for lack of in the US, you have vastly overestimated your expertise of the subject matter.
Oh, I know. This is but one facet. And I am definitely not an expert.
What is wrong with you?
It’s more than 4 years. We just crawled out of Trump inflation and now are going right back in.
Dismantling and breaking is easy. They can do a lot of that in 4 yrs. Building takes decades.
There’s also a global effect. Would Putin have ever attacked Ukraine without a Trump term? How about Israel’s taking self defense into genocide territory?
America leads by example and the last example was an impulsive 3 yo with a giant military force and a dead diplomacy department in the executive branch. There’s permissiveness in that.
The fact that this is an actual possibility is absolutely hilarious.
You mean head of DOGE? Because we live in the timeline where a terminally online edgelord with the brain of a 14yo and the body of a 54yo makes meme government agencies.
Anyway, get your passport now. They’re good for ten years, enough to last at least through the tentative end of Trump’s circus.
The new online passport process is unbelievably good
They better not ruin it
Narrator: they ruined it
Ooh, thanks for the reminder! Mine expires next year. Best renew it now before they fuck that up, too.
oh yah i just renewed using the new process, got my passport back in less than 2 weeks.
Soooooooo…what happens whenever X eventually dies? Does Bluesky just defederate, and say “Haha! It is I who has the most audience, therefore I who dictate the industry!”
Hot or not was a thing until friendster was a thing.
Friendster was a thing, until myspace was a thing.
Myspace was a thing until facebook was a thing.
We’ve seen this line of ups and downs before. Eventually Twitter will be replaced. And then the new thing will be around. As of right now, Bluesky is “federated”, but it REALLY feels like they don’t want to be. Drop of a hat, and they’re defederated. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it.
I want you to imagine signing up for a service that has extroplatratinated defubulinators. And everybody on the service is taking full advantage of it. But you haven’t signed up yet, so your defubulinator needs to be created and calibrated before you can gain anything from it. Now imagine if you had no idea what extroplatratinated defubulinators even were, and you weren’t being given any indication what they do, or how to use them. Imagine you had no idea what I was even talking about. And imagine what you would do if search engines wouldn’t help you figure it out. But here I am, ranting and raving about how much better it is for you than traditional methods. But you couldn’t find ANYONE who used it, or knew what I was talking about either.
So now you just keep living life. Never again taking what I said serious.
The creators seem pretty passionate about the federated network aspect of it: https://bsky.app/profile/pfrazee.com/post/3laujhn5lfs2p
That was the original project they signed up for after all.
and Google used to care about not being evil.
Corporations will ALWAYS enshittify a platform they control. It’s simply a matter of time.
i donno about other social networks but my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.
15 years ago, was the early days of twitter, the dying days of myspace, and the point where facebook first became dominant.
You talking about one of those? Because zero chance your myspace are still up.
And facebook/twitter? Ew.
my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.
There was a time when people thought legally mandated interoperability could become the law of the land. That dream is probably dead, but if there’s ever a chance to push it through, it would be worth doing. It’d be a complex piece of legislation to be sure and would probably need to go through a number of iterations to get it right, but it would be a start.
Twitter facilitated exactly what Elon set out to do with it.
It costs a lot to become vice president, especially if you weren’t born in America
Or… or… hear me out… everyone comes to lemmy?
Hopefully not. This place is worse than Reddit.
Then why are you here instead of at Reddit?
On principle, personally. I was done with Reddit after the API shit.
Yup. I’m also not super happy with Lemmy, but I’m too stubborn to go back. Meanwhile, I’m building my own rendition of Reddit, which will probably have the same problems, but at least I’m making an effort.
If something genuinely good shows up, I’ll go there. But BlueSky ain’t it, so here I stay.
I see BlueSkey as different than Lemmy. In my mind, Twitter = BlueSky and Mastodon and Reddit = Lemmy and Kbin (if that’s even still around).
Not even remotely the same kind of platform
You mean Mastodon?
99% of my Feed on Bluesky was just people saying they’ve left Twitter for Bluesky. No amount of suggest less of this helped.
Just like when Threads launched and or when Reddit made the API changes. You get a flood of new users who want to talk about being new users.
Yeah thats how it was here after the reddit fiasco.
It has improved here though, thank Jeebus.
happens on every “new” social media platform that is similar to another social media platform. Was all over Lemmy when people were “boycotting” reddit…course most went right back to reddit when the boycotting was over.
Can’t tell you how many “I’m moving to Google+” posts I saw back in the day. I wonder how that panned out for them…
Well i am on both. A lack of rpg and splatoon keeps me mostly on Reddit
Morrowind would keep me there but i dont really have much to say about it anyways in terms of posts (that hasnt already been said) so ion need it myself :3
Lemmy is just that but Linux and reddit users
Haha there is a gigantic wave of people switching over from twitter right now, that’s just what is on people’s minds. The conversation will move on soon enough.
Tbf, were you on lemmy last summer?
Or on Reddit after everybody left Digg
What’s Bluesky?
It’s the hot new non-billionaire controlled social media app for the 2020s: https://bsky.app/
Oh, ok.
Non-billionaire controlled so far. It’s a public benefit corporation, which is vulnerable to being Altmaned. Once it becomes valuable money will find a way.
That’s where the federated angle comes in. Not quite there yet, but as the network grows the vulnerability to the original node getting taken over by a bad actor lessens.
A feature that makes it easier for their users to migrate to a competitor? Blockchain Capital invests $15M in BlueSky. Insert that Anakin / Padme meme:
Anakin: Now that we’ve invested, let’s make that federation feature priority 0
Padme: As in highest priority, right?
Anakin:
Padme: As in highest priority, right?Is blue sky federated? I thought it was another closed garden. If slightly more open than Twitter.
Bluesky grew out of a project at twitter whose goal was to create a federated protocol. Then when they were split off from twitter when Musk took over they had to start their own twitter-style platform to be the first player in that federated protocol. Now that that part is running they’re gradually building out the originally planned system of allowing more servers to be part of the federation: https://docs.bsky.app/docs/advanced-guides/federation-architecture
not billionaire owned, but a bunch of VC firms led by one called Blockchain Capital already put a 15million USD bridle on them
No. Just the same shit with less users. Let it grow (by the millions as lemmy is trying to convince us) and you’ll see. I say we get back to smoke signals
Google will find a way to put ads in the smoke
Looking like it’s about time lmgtfy to make a comeback.
Not best either
