• palordrolap@fedia.io
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    5 months ago

    I’ve been around just long enough to suspect that this will be part of a cycle going back and forth between tactile controls and touchscreens.

    That is, give it a decade and touchscreens will be the in-thing again. And another decade and someone will have the “fantastic new idea” of bringing tactile controls back.

    And there’ll be a combo breaker of some sort where a new technology comes along (probably no screens, or controls, only voice control) which a small few will absolutely love - due to sunk cost fallacy mostly - and no-one else will buy (compare: 3D TVs), and the cycle will begin again.

    Bonus points for: 1) Manufacturers managing to have cycles out of step with others because the market forces aren’t quite enough (people not having the money to buy new cars) to bring them all into line. 2) External factors like, say, the world ending, breaking the cycle.

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      5 months ago

      It’s not that the icons are tiny, rather people driving usually operate by touch because their eyes need to be on the road.

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      5 months ago

      10 years and counting

      There’s so much bullshit in new cars that’s it’s infuriating, especially considering the cars call home with all kinds of privacy violating bullshit.

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      5 months ago

      Never mind that even 3-5 years down the line, some of these systems will fail to connect/ pair with the latest gadget in your pocket.

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    5 months ago

    Fuck yeah, I love tactical controls. There’s just something nice about something physical you can feel and manipulate.

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    5 months ago

    I just hope they don’t go overboard one way or another. All touchscreen was too much but all buttons would be excessive too

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        5 months ago

        Touch screen should have maintenance/status display and diagnostics and settings for things you’d take care of while the vehicle isn’t moving. Like seat/mirror positioning presets, ride height, towing mode, etc.

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        5 months ago

        I disagree because you probably use the entertainment buttons more than anything. For instance, my wife’s car has the volume control on the touchscreen, which is super annoying because it’s something I like to manually adjust a lot.

        I honestly can’t think of what I would prefer be touch screen…really it should just display on a touch screen so I can use it if I want, but everything should be controllable through physical buttons too.

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          Touchscreen should just be for guidance. Maps, cameras, overlays, caller info, etc.
          There shouldn’t be any “entertainment” in it other than the radio info.

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    Back in the 80s, Don Norman popularized the term Accordance. Humans need something to push, pull, turn or otherwise interact with. We are physical beings in a physical world.

    Driving vehicles is potentially life-endangering. Just because the technology is there and cheaper does not mean that humans can push aside their physiological limitations in a critical situation.

    Take the emergency blinker. You know where it is, you see it all the time - it’s right there in front of you! But when a real emergency happens, you’ll be fumbling for the button, concentrating on the situation at hand. Now imagine that button on a touchscreen.

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      5 months ago

      I use my four way hazard lights when there’s heavy braking on the freeway to make sure people behind me are paying attention. It’s a button on my dash and pretty easy to toggle.

      Though is that something that touch screen cars really put into the touch screen!?

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        5 months ago

        I don’t think I’ve seen a car with the hazard lights button on the touch screen… Even the Teslas have a physical button for it. I imagine this must be a legal requirement, at least in some countries.

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      I don’t know Don, I’m sure he’s a fine guy, but I’ve read about all these kinds of rules (EDIT: emerging) much earlier - as early as 1940s, with airplanes and cars and other machines in production and in front lines that people had to operate for long hours under strain and make as few mistakes as possible.

      Even USSR, not the Rome of ergonomics, had GOSTs for average ratio of errors an operator makes on a certain machine, machines had to be inside those numbers in tests involving people, or they wouldn’t get adopted into wide usage.

      Note how the criterion is defined. Not formalities like the shape of something or the layout conforming to some vague definition, but the results of an actual test on people. Of course, though, there were also a myriad GOSTs as to how the specific controls may look, a GOST for every detail one could use in a device.

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      I’ve noticed this with modern standards. They just don’t have the same experience because nothing is actually linked. It’s all electronic. I miss the feeling of the linkage as I moved through the gears. Feeling the disc touch as you let out the clutch. There was a magic to that. Now it has the feeling of setting on your hand for too long.

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        This always happens, with change you have things you don’t need and things you need, and things you consider and things you don’t consider, and things you had and things you will have. Of these there’s a combination of things you had, you need and you don’t consider. Which means you will not have them, while needing them and not considering them.

        Correct good feedback is in that area.

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        5 months ago

        I can’t imagine driving a stick like that. If it’s all electronic why bother with being standard as well?

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      5 months ago

      Just because the technology is there and cheaper does not mean that humans can push aside their physiological limitations in a critical situation.

      Have you considered the shareholders though?