I think this is the year. One of my long time Windows friends has recently decided to install Manjaro GNU/Linux after being fed up with forced reboots, updates that seem to overwrite settings, and constant bluescreens of death.
How is it an upgrade of you need to replace the hardware?
meanwhile you can run linux on a potato
rpi can be a good potato ; also runs freebsd
Companies promote their recent softwares. Is this a new thing?
Fixed it for you:
Company renders 60%+ of computers running current software incapable of running new software due to niche hardware requirement, abruptly ends support for current version next year, and tells users to throw away their computers and buy new ones.
Oh, and they’re promoting their cloud storage option. Which may or may not have anything to do with their data harvesting? I don’t really know on that one.
“Abrupt” and “current” are pretty generous for windows 10 tbh. This has been a known deadline for several years at this point, and windows 11 has been out since 2021.
Absolutely fuck microsoft with a cactus, but this is hardly new or surprising at this point.
By “abrupt,” I mean that Windows 7 ended service updates just last year, and Windows 10 will end next year. And by “current,” I mean that Windows 11 overtook 7 as the second most used version of Windows in 2022.
We’ve known that they’re ending support for 10 next year for a few years, but that end of life timeline is very short compared to previous versions of Windows. If 10 had the same end of life timeline as 7, we’d be seeing service updates for 10 ending in 2030. And 11 may be the newest version of Windows, but it is by all means not the most used version and is most likely not the version currently being used by most people that this article is relevant to.
Not here on Lemmy where you should be able to run it on a tamagotchi for free.
You should.
“Promote” here masking what they are actually doing …
Headline in another universe:
“Microsoft aiming to push population into switching to Linux.”
FUCK LINUX
And aswell as mac
I feel like people concerned about the expense of a new computer aren’t generally going to look at Macs, but I’m not too familiar with their longevity/support; is it a good length of time?
Microsoft recommends you remain ignorant about how awesome Linux is.
… And FreeBSD! Hardware support is rather fine except for wifi, and that can be set up using
wifiboxpackages (technically it’s running a lean Linux VM with wi-fi passthrough, but by today’s measure the footprint is negligible).So clean, orderly and patient.
I can’t use facts and logic on what is optimized for what, but it feels more responsive than Linux too, with the same desktop setup. I guess Linux with a different scheduler would solve that.
Linux sounds good but I never see it discussed on this website. How am I suppose to use Arch if nobody else does?
If only someone was here to tell me something by the way, it arches my back not knowing.
Rejoice. I’ve installed Arch on my home PC a few days ago. Haven’t booted Windows since.
You’re on the wrong part of the Internet for that. Try Facebook or Instagram to learn more about Arch Linux.
As long as you tell everyone you use it. That’s what counts.
Ppl that still use Windows even after all this shit has been rammed down their throats will not have a good time on Linux. You still need to be able to do basic trouble shooting. I installed win 11 a few months back and it took me three tries on installation to get all the garbage out of it.
I think the best bet is an entirely new system from the ground up that has an open architecture that every company can equally implement that from the ground up and is as simple as possible. Like the computers we had in the 80s, but with better graphics. You want to play a game, you boot into it and it’s the only thing running. No anti cheat needed.
I think the best bet is an entirely new system from the ground up that has an open architecture that every company can equally implement that from the ground up and is as simple as possible.
This keeps getting said by people who don’t understand operating systems. Even if you build something from the ground up, you still end up with an operating system very much like Linux and Windows. The choices that were made for each OS were not random. The principles of I/O, user input, graphics display, filesystems, etc, are more or less universal concepts across all OSes.
What you will accomplish is making an OS that no one will use. Linux, Windows, and macOS already fill every market that can be filled. Microsoft tried to become a third player in the mobile market and their product died pretty quickly.
Google has been trying to build Fuschia into a new OS and they’ve asked back their ambitions (from what I recall reading).
Yeah no thanks, a PC that can only run one program at a time? that’s just a console but worse lol. almost entirely useless as a computer.
FUCK LINUX AND EVERYONE SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS
Open wide, bud. You will take it and you will like it.
I will beat you to death with your grandmother’s bloody uterus
Username doesn’t check out. Angry alright, but nothing autistic here, just your average boomer-level rage.
You have NO FUCKING RIGHT TO POLICE MY DISABILITY ASSHAT .
Fuck your mother with a rusty chainsaw
Now it’s just edgy teenager level.
My mom’s alright, thank you.
Eat my ass and beg for seconds, ableist.
wine harder we like it
If I upgrade my machine, I am keeping TPM disabled. I don’t want Windows 11.
First thing I did when I heard it was required for win 11.
Don’t TPMs just deal with cryptography code the same way a SIM card does for a phone? If you have one, What’s wrong with using it?
Platforms like Windows and Chrome can also use it for remote attestation, i.e., verifying you haven’t bypassed security controls and locking you out if it thinks you have.
My PC is getting old and I might replace it in about a year whenever I can get an OK GPU for a reasonable amount of money again.
I’ve built my own PCs since the late 90’s and this will be the first time I will not install Windows on a computer I built. Get fucked Microsoft.
I already did this 2 years ago and I still don’t miss Windows. I want my OS to just work, and that means not having big companies intentionally blocking updates and bullying consumers just so they can profit from artificially induced OEM license sales. It’s pretty wild how quickly Linux has fit the bill in recent years, and how Windows no longer does.
Only hurdle on Linux right now is the transition from X11 to Wayland. Proton doesn’t have good support for it yet so I occasionally have to load an X11 session for some games to run. I can imagine that getting worked out eventually.
Microsoft could have simply dropped official support for older machines and then literally done nothing and that would have still been better than what they did. At least then those machines would still receive security updates beyond next year, provided they could still run the latest version of Windows.
For the record, if the arbitrary CPU block is bypassed, then it’s possible to install Windows 11 23H2 on a Prescott era Pentium 4 or Athlon 64. The true requirements did change for 24H2, but even then you can install that on a 1st gen Intel or a Bulldozer era AMD system. Microsoft can go suck a dick.
I’ll also add the audio stack in Linux at the moment is a hot mess. I’m currently trying to resolve a problem that seems to exclusively plague the rear mic input on my system and nothing else and this shit is fucking obtuse. It’s ridiculous how many competing audio frameworks there currently are.
There are only 2 current audio frameworks, right? PipeWire (most current, best compatibility from what I’ve seen) and PulseAudio (dominant for a long time but now being replaced by PipeWire)
Sort of kind of. The actual drivers are still ALSA which both pulse and pipewire build on top of. Then there’s JACK which is older but basically tried to be Pipewire before Pipewire. Lastly there’s WirePlumber which is an automation/scripting thing built on top of Pipewire. So depending on what you’re doing you end up having to wrangle with a minimum of Pipewire and ALSA, and might also need to mess with WirePlumber and Pulse (as Pipewire exposes a Pulse API).
Wine (which Proton is based on) has had support for Wayland since version 9.0 (about half a year old). Admittedly it’s not even enabled by default, but it works and I’ve played Path Of Exile through wine’s Wayland backend. There’s talks to ship the Wayland driver along X11, but not enabled by default yet, since there’s still some issues before they consider it on par with X11 backend. Proton might take longer, since I don’t think Valve will enable that before they add Wayland support for the Steam client.
Last week, I installed Debian on a 20 year old 32-bit IBM Thinkpad and it’s going strong.
Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit for clout.
Fuck you and fuck the mods who are going to ban me instead of this outrageous liar.
My PC met everything except processor. Did a registry hack and updated anyway. All is well, for now. I don’t feel like building another PC at the moment.
✋ no thanks
Man I really don’t want to switch to Linux but Microsoft has ended things forever with Recall. There’s just no way to stay with microsoft long term.
I just installed Windows and never saw anything about recall. Use at least 3 different Windows machines a day and never seen recall. Maybe I’m just a lucky one?
Its not fully released yet and also, it will only be on a select set of PCs to start. But eventually over the years it will be on most new windows PCs.
I switched, it’s magic on fire with Linux.
Except for a couple if things, so I also now have a game-box running windows.
Best of two worlds IMO. It also shows how hellish windows is.
If a game won’t support Linux I won’t support it. There are thousands of games out there.
Hit me up with a Diablo 2 on linux, photoshop & 3dsmax 😭😭😭
Lutris works for Diablo 2. At least on my system.
why dont you?
Effort
Just go for it! Did it recently and the overall experience is actually getting impressed multiple times.
“and OneDrive”. Yes, it is essential to have OneDrive.
And it’s essential to have a always on network connection 24/7 if you turn it off we will delete all your data/j
I once ran the windows Troubleshooter to get an old scanner working, and the final page told me to but a new scanner!
I plugged it in to a mini PC I use as a backup server and the scanner worked fine with Linux.
And another recommendation issue: I noticed that my Windows laptop has a “reduce your carbon footprint” settings section that tells me to reduce power settings, screen brightness etc. but it’s completely lacking a “stop giving me AI search results in Bing” section.
Switching from Windows to Linux on my Framework laptop makes my battery last 2-3 times as long. They should just have a switch to Linux recommendation to reduce your carbon footprint.
Are you using a framework 13? While I find the battery life to be usable, if it’s that much worse on Windows I’m not sure I would have gotten a framework if I used windows lol.
Yeah. 11th gen Framework 13, so one of the first ones. Since I got it I had to use Windows exclusively because of some client work, and battery life was pitiful. 2-3 hours perhaps? Once that project finished I swapped out the SSD and put on Ubuntu with KDE. I was expecting the batter life to be worse, but it is demonstrably better. I now get more like 6 hours, albeit with my power plan on efficiency.
I have one of the newer AMD models and I find it has about 2-3 hours of batter life, though it spends most of it’s time suspended for my use case. I use Fedora and have the “balanced” profile selected. I don’t mind the poor battery life since the processor is leaps and bounds better than the 6th gen 2 core Intel I was using before.
Win11 also says that showing seconds in the taskbar “reduces battery life”/“increases power consumption”
My god. It really does!
Oh no! I left notepad.exe open. That cursor was flashing on and off for hours! I’m sorry everyone!
While it sounds ridiculous, there is a reasoning for this even nowadays:
Any periodic activity with a rate faster than one minute incurs the scrutiny of the Windows performance team, because periodic activity prevents the CPU from entering a low-power state. Updating the seconds in the taskbar clock is not essential to the user interface, unlike telling the user where their typing is going to go, or making sure a video plays smoothly. And the recommendation is that inessential periodic timers have a minimum period of one minute, and they should enable timer coalescing to minimize system wake-ups.
Found 1 test that seems to confirm battery life is slightly worse (2%) with seconds enabled. But this is true only when nothing is going on on screen. If you would actually work on PC, I imagine difference would be practically nonexistent.
All that said, I use seconds on my private and work PC. Was pissed when MS initially removed this as an option.
The only time that would make a difference is if you’re staring at a blank page and the only thing causing the screen to update is the clock. Theoretically the GPU could go completely to sleep, except for having to draw the updated clock every second.
But there’s a reason battery life is commonly measured as “hours of video playback”. If the laptop’s not actually doing anything you may as well turn it off and get weeks of battery life.
Are you saying you use Bing for searches? If you don’t want that then why not use a different search?
I still for the life of me can’t figure out what’s so great about secure boot and tpm. All it’s ever done for me is prevent me from booting a legitimate OS, or a bootable flash drive with iso images on it (like ventoy). It’s also pretty good at giving me a headache trying to figure out how the keys work and how to register them.
I just turn them both off and live in ignorant bliss.
Not everyone only uses their PCs jsut for games, friend.
Your experience isn’t a baseline, cope
It’s not for you, it’s for them. Secure boot means it only runs their operating system, not yours. Trusted enclave means it secures their DRM-ware from tampering by the user who owns the PC.
Do you enjoy just making shit up on the internet?
Secure boot means that only the intended bootloader runs, it can be any one, but it just needs to be the intended one.
Secure boot works with Linux.
It works for now on x86-64, yes. For now. As always, we are one “think of the children” crisis away from lobbyists taking that option away.
What? I think you maybe just don’t know what purpose secure boot serves.
It’s not a tool to vendor lock computers, it’s a tool to establish a chain of trust to protect the boot process by only allowing cryptographically signed images from executing. Anyone can sign things for secure boot by simply creating an x509 certificate and importing it. If vendors wanted to prevent you from running a different operating system, they would just lock it down completely as is done in many devices like mobile phones and proprietary electronics.
^ this People are very ignorant about what secure boot actually is.
What do you mean? I remove all vendor keys and enroll my own secure boot keys. This way only my install with my bootloader signed by my keys will boot.
Secure boot and TPM are tools for (among other things) making sure nobody (E.G. a virus or worm) has tampered with your OS and bootloader. You can for instance use both on Linux, it’s just by default they come preloaded with Microsofts configuration for loading Windows, and the technical knowledge for how to reconfigure it is a bit arcane.
It’s an excellent security tool, it’s just abused by Microsoft to discourage competition.
Until the next security hole you can’t fix with an update.
It greatly raises the cost of exploring competing software for the average person.
